[QUOTE=fpliii]shaqpopcorn34 is a great poster.[/QUOTE]
absolutely...they must not be aware of my legendary status here..
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[QUOTE=fpliii]shaqpopcorn34 is a great poster.[/QUOTE]
absolutely...they must not be aware of my legendary status here..
[QUOTE=Psileas]Hard to do so, when, for Wilt's case, the only types of comparisons someone can make is, necessarily, year vs year, which is not the best way of finding what different someone brought to the table. That's because Wilt was rarely missing any games. So, for example, the '69 Lakers not drastically improving was somehow considered a testament of Wilt's impact being low. But how sure can we be that the '69 Lakers would have been necessarily as good as the '68 Lakers had Wilt never been traded, so that we can get to some conclusion? Wilt rarely missing any game doesn't help such a kind of comparison.
Oscar and Russell did have some periods of injuries which brought about lots of struggles for their teams and this helped their case. Kareem, too. But note how thin their teams were at their specific positions. Sometimes, they had literally nobody else play at the same position. They simply trusted their health a lot. I suspect Wilt missing a good part of any of the 1960-63 seasons (without guys like Thurmond, Luke Jackson or Hairston around) would cause the same type of struggles for the Warriors, because he was their only real center and such a thing would have led some to re-evaluate his impact.[/QUOTE]
Good points. I posted this in a recent thread with his impact in mind:
"I think volume scoring Wilt could have won championships in a different era. The main problem with his early teams (aside from running into Bill Russell) was the lack of shooters in his supporting cast. If there's no threat of an outside shot, and you have a big man posting up on the block every possession, there's no reason not to cheat on defense and help on Wilt. The reduced shot attempts also helped get non-shooters in a rhythm by giving them more opportunities to shoot during the season to prepare for the playoffs (when they'd be open, more often).
A big part of why Wilt (and his teams) succeeded later on is because Hannum decided to put him in the high post. With Wilt no longer clogging up the paint, his teammates were free to drive on offense (this was an issue again in his first year with the Lakers, but van Breda Kolff wasn't the best of coaches), so even if you don't have the best of shooters, you have a shot (almost worked in 64, but he went up against absolute peak Russell).
Fewer responsibilities on offense also frees up energy for defense. Wilt was actually a pretty good defender his first couple of years (he actually thought of himself as a defense-first guy early on) in the league (more so man D though, Russell seems to be the only guy who played true team-level defense as of the early 60s, taking away the dunk/layup), but in the 50 ppg season with McGuire as coach and the next year (early in 64-65 as well, but he had severe illness), he took forever to get back on D. He still blocked a lot of shots those seasons, but he wasn't the same defender. From 63-64 through 67-68 (excluding the first half of 64-65), he was an exceptional defensive player (and again under Sharman later on)."
[QUOTE=mehyaM24]absolutely...they must not be aware of my legendary status here..[/QUOTE]
My god...is this the typical poster at RealGM?
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RI7dARQ695s/S-bIjIdnKCI/AAAAAAAACzo/7xYAq8XWW4o/s1600/toothless.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]My god...is this the typical poster at RealGM?
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RI7dARQ695s/S-bIjIdnKCI/AAAAAAAACzo/7xYAq8XWW4o/s1600/toothless.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The RealGM PC board is actually not that bad. I think there's just a lot of skepticism in there in general, because they're a very data- and analysis-oriented community. I've been there for a while and can really appreciate the conversation on that forum. I really think a scoring skills video will give Wilt a fair shake there. If people, after watching that, draw their own conclusions, it's perfectly fine with me.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]My god...is this the typical poster at RealGM?[/QUOTE]
...you can call me bobby fischer, because that's a checkmate...lmao
[QUOTE=fpliii]The RealGM PC board is actually not that bad. I think there's just a lot of skepticism in there in general, because they're a very data- and analysis-oriented community. I've been there for a while and can really appreciate the conversation on that forum. I really think a scoring skills video will give Wilt a fair shake there. If people, after watching that, draw their own conclusions, it's perfectly fine with me.[/QUOTE]
I apologize...
That was uncalled for.
BTW, I consider you one of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum. If there are more like you at RealGM, we could use them here.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I apologize...
That was uncalled for.
BTW, I consider you one of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum. If there are more like you at RealGM, we could use them here.[/QUOTE]
There are a few trolls there (bastillion, for one, if you've browsed) on the PC board, and the General Board is pure trash.
This nehyaM24 guy in particular doesn't post on RealGM as far as I can tell. He's shaqpopcorn34 from YouTube. I think CavsFTW can tell you more about him.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ[/url]
As soon as I see this video I know I'm about to read some bullshit. I will admit, he sometimes did look a little sloppy, or slow gathering himself...But to think that's what he was like every time he posted up is just ridiculous when you see him fading away as quick as a freakin guard....For instance the clip of him in college shooting from near 15 feet....I'm sure you know which I'm talking about.
Like every great center was flawless every time he touched the ball
:facepalm
This is why I never care to go into detail about anything on here...I feel like my brains going to explode.
[QUOTE=jongib369][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ[/url]
As soon as I see this video I know I'm about to read some bullshit. I will admit, he sometimes did look a little sloppy, or slow gathering himself...But to think that's what he was like every time he posted up is just ridiculous when you see him fading away as quick as a freakin guard....For instance the clip of him in college shooting from near 15 feet....I'm sure you know which I'm talking about.
Like every great center was flawless every time he touched the ball
:facepalm
This is why I never care to go into detail about anything on here...I feel like my brains going to explode.[/QUOTE]
That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.
[QUOTE=fpliii]There are a few trolls there (bastillion, for one, if you've browsed) on the PC board, and the General Board is pure trash.
This nehyaM24 guy in particular doesn't post on RealGM as far as I can tell. He's shaqpopcorn34 from YouTube. I think CavsFTW can tell you more about him.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how, in a strictly moderated community like RealGM, such guys are allowed to post. Bastillion is not a troll in the ISH sense, but he's clearly an apex Wilt hater, who'll try to spin anything he can against him (cherry-picking, mixing facts with opinions and lies) and, seemingly, a pretty obnoxious person. I thought RGM didn't tolerate such stuff.
I'm going to honest, I know the finger-roll is not a very fundamentally sound shot, and probably not the most efficient way to go about scoring in the post, especially when you're as strong as Wilt (and it looks brutal when it misses). He was right about one thing though, it's definitely aesthetically pleasing when pulled off correctly. So is the fadeaway.
:applause:
54-year old highlights. Time to get on with your life.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
I'll say he ignored that, but even if he hadn't, he probably wouldn't have mentioned it. His criticism on 1970 Wilt is evidence for this.
[QUOTE=Psileas]I'll say he ignored that, but even if he hadn't, he probably wouldn't have mentioned it. His criticism on 1970 Wilt is evidence for this.[/QUOTE]
I believe he ripped Chamberlain for being a "stats-padding" "loser" in his 62-63 season...and then in other topics, praised Kareem for his play in his 75-76 season.
Of course...no context.
In Wilt's "stats-padding" 62-63 season, he played 47.6 mpg, on a 31-49 team that lost 35 games by singles digits, and was only involved in eight games decided by 20+ points (and they went 4-4 in them)...and had a scoring differential of -2.1...with as bad a roster as any player has ever been saddled with. And all Wilt did that year was lead the league in FIFTEEN categories (and had TRB%, Off-Rebs, Def-Rebs, Blocked shots, et, al been kept, he would have surely led in most of those), including WIN-SHARES (20.9 on a team that won 31 games), and PER of 31.8 (which is the all-time record.)
But, how about Kareem in 75-76? In 71-72, he played 44.2 mpg, and scored 34.8 ppg on a .574 FG%..for team that went 63-19, and had a +11.1 ppg differential. Then, in 75-76, and playing for a poor roster, that actually needed him to score... 41.2 mpg, 27.7 ppg, and on a .529 FG%...for a team that went 40-42.
Here again...the WILT DOUBLE STANDARD.
BTW, and as you know, Chamberlain LED the league in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and overall, 13 categories in his 65-66 season...and did so for a team that had the best record in the league. He would tell you it was his teammates that carried him that season.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
And of course, it was those post moves and that shot selection, which allowed Wilt to lead the league in scoring seven seasons, and in FG% nine seasons.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That's the '67 game where Wilt had two inflamed knees and bad shinsplints in both legs - could barely lift his legs to walk up a flight of stairs coming into that game. Fatal9 either did not know about that, or chose to ignore it and make the video anyways. That video does not even reflect Wilt's usual abilities, because he was basically immobile from the knees down that game.[/QUOTE]
Could you show me where you read that?
[QUOTE=jongib369]Could you show me where you read that?[/QUOTE]
The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
[I]"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston [B](IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken)[/B], he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game" [/I]
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
[I]"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston [B](IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken)[/B], he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game" [/I][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info, I'll put it in the comment section of the video but I doubt it'll be there long
Anything about the second game shown in the video? 1:14 might be the slowest I've seen him ever release the fade away.
[QUOTE=mehyaM24]they were 100% on the money. like somebody said, you could create a kwame brown highlight mix making him look like an allstar. what a joke.
the bottom line is Wilt was a playoff choker who "dominated" the league in its infancy.[/QUOTE]
Sure, you can, but then we know what sort of numbers Wilt up. Would you make the same criticism of a Jordan highlight video? No, everyone already knows that Jordan was great. What this video does is give you a sense for how Wilt scored. Some in the past have claimed that Wilt was a stiff who scored by virture of his height on 6'6" white guys by just standing near the basket and dunking it. The videos Cavs has put out completely dispel that myth.
To fpliii, Marchesk, Lazeruss, Psileas, CavsFTW, Frescobaldi, and anyone I missed - you guys really add a lot to this board. Even if a lot of people post troll/bogus responses (I am occasionally guilty), just know that your guys' contributions and knowledge are not going unappreciated :cheers:
[QUOTE=JBrizzy]54-year old highlights. Time to get on with your life.[/QUOTE]
Some people like history. It's a nice break from the constant Lebron/Kobe (and now Durant) troll threads.
Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:
Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:
[B]Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players[/B] and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty easy to debunk at this point. We know Wilt's measurements beyond just his height and weight and we also have video footage of Shaq standing next to Wilt. Wilt made Shaq look like an average joe and nobody Shaq ever faced made Shaq look like that save for Yao. But unlike Yao, Wilt was not just taller but his upper body looked significantly bigger than Shaq and I'm not just talking muscle I'm just talking just the bone structure and width of his shoulders and the height of his shoulders - he just was naturally built bigger in the upper body. Shaq [I]never[/I] faced anyone that imposing.
Watch Yao and Shaq's first matchup. Shaq was visibly stunned playing Yao, Shaq even commented that Yao's length bothered him. Yao was no where near as athletic as Wilt either. Wilt was just as large in stature as Yao, but had even more reach and a LOT more athleticism, his body was sculpted like a municipal statue in comparison to Yao. Wilt is perhaps the strongest player of all time in his upper body. There have never been other people comparable to him, the closest athlete there ever was to Wilt was Shaq. Thinking that Shaq would just handle Wilt is ridiculous, Wilt probably stunned every player he ever played against the first time they saw him, there's no shortage of Wilt stories about the first time his opponents saw him. Most just couldn't believe how big and athletic he was. It would be no different for Shaq, he'd be just as awestruck. That's not to say Wilt wouldn't be impressed by Shaq either. Not many athletes Wilt faced were close to Shaq's size. The biggest athletes Wilt faced were about 290lbs... which is actually about the biggest athletes Shaq faced too, outside of Yao.
[url]http://youtu.be/FJYRtWCutRA[/url]
Example of how I can present a Wilt offense scouting video. Passing, post moves, offensive rebounding, playmaking everything. From every part of his career so there are as few holes in the coverage/presentation of his offensive abilities as possible. My initial estimate is about a 30 minute video if I DON'T use high school and NCAA footage. Will extend any 'clip' (sequences not from the few broadcasts that exist) to as far in front of the play developing as possible, ideally before Wilt sets up and demands the entry pass (though not all clips will show the entire play, some simply begin after the ball is in his hands) That is what you are looking for no? I can try and loosely organize or cluster the clips too to group similar plays.
Will take a while but if you think it's necessary I'll put it on my to do list.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]http://youtu.be/FJYRtWCutRA[/url]
Example of how I can present a Wilt offense scouting video. Passing, post moves, offensive rebounding, playmaking everything. From every part of his career so there are as few holes in the coverage/presentation of his offensive abilities as possible. My initial estimate is about a 30 minute video if I DON'T use high school and NCAA footage. Will extend any 'clip' (sequences not from the few broadcasts that exist) to as far in front of the play developing as possible, ideally before Wilt sets up and demands the entry pass (though not all clips will show the entire play, some simply begin after the ball is in his hands) That is what you are looking for no? I can try and loosely organize or cluster the clips too to group similar plays.
Will take a while but if you think it's necessary I'll put it on my to do list.[/QUOTE]
I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but I've copy and pasted this post to that thread on the forum.
Got this response:
"Sure, as fully possession as possible is good start, but not forget about missed shots! ;)"
[QUOTE=fpliii]Got this response:
"Sure, as fully possession as possible is good start, but not forget about missed shots! ;)"[/QUOTE]
I think showing highlights of missed shots is pointless. How many "highlights" have you watched with Shaq missing dunks, or Kareem clanking the sky-hook?
That would just give the Chamberlain-bashers more ammunition...
And we already have fatal9's "highlight" of Wilt's post moves anyway...(atlk about mis-leading...)
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I think showing highlights of missed shots is pointless. How many "highlights" have you watched with Shaq missing dunks, or Kareem clanking the sky-hook?
That would just give the Chamberlain-bashers more ammunition...
And we already have fatal9's "highlight" of Wilt's post moves anyway...(atlk about mis-leading...)[/QUOTE]
I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .
[QUOTE=fpliii]I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .[/QUOTE]
Although I understand the "complete picture" motive, I still don't think that a mix which includes missed shots will lead them into making objective comparisons with other greats, since remembering greats bricking shots is unlikely. There are not "FGA" highlights of greats and it's not easy to compare a comprehensive shot compilation to whole games viewed over the years, the bad/"indifferent" moments of which may have been erased from most fans' minds.
For example, how likely is one who has "peak Shaq" in his mind remember him struggle to even get shots against the Blazers in 2000? How likely is one who has the "Shaq vs Mutombo" battles in his mind to know/remember that, despite his 2001 heavy defeat, Mutombo usually guarded Shaq as fine as anyone?
[QUOTE=Psileas]For example, how likely is one who has "peak Shaq" in his mind remember him struggle to even get shots against the Blazers in 2000? How likely is one who has the "Shaq vs Mutombo" battles in his mind to know/remember that, despite his 2001 heavy defeat, Mutombo usually guarded Shaq as fine as anyone?[/QUOTE]
Shaq owned every single center he faced in the playoffs, number wise, he dominated every single one of them there isn't even an exception to the rle.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:
Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.[/QUOTE]
I checked it in basketball-reference, cause I don't remember young Shaq to dominate Ewing, Hakeem and Robinson in his rookey season and I was right.
Shaq was outplayed by them and Ewing outplayed him badly.
[QUOTE=fpliii]I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately he does have an agenda, at least that's what his recent actions point to. I posted this info Cavsfan gave me on his video to put the first part of his video into context, to make a "complete picture"....But he deleted it
"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"
No reason to delete it unless it's not the picture you want to paint IMO
[QUOTE=Psileas]Although I understand the "complete picture" motive, I still don't think that a mix which includes missed shots will lead them into making objective comparisons with other greats, since remembering greats bricking shots is unlikely. There are not "FGA" highlights of greats and it's not easy to compare a comprehensive shot compilation to whole games viewed over the years, the bad/"indifferent" moments of which may have been erased from most fans' minds.[/QUOTE]
I suppose. Maybe Cavs can produce 2 versions then? One with all post possessions, one without misses. It's all up to him, of course, but I think one including all possessions will satisfy everybody there.
Anyhow, I'm just trying to be as diplomatic as possible. I enjoy reading all of the mentioned posters on RealGM, and obviously appreciate the conversation with you guys here as well. I think CavsFTW can help us find a great middle ground.
:cheers:
I don't want to belabor this any further though, so I'll let him do his thing without any further interruption.
[QUOTE=jongib369]Unfortunately he does have an agenda, at least that's what his recent actions point to. I posted this info Cavsfan gave me on his video to put the first part of his video into context, to make a "complete picture"....But he deleted it
"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"
No reason to delete it unless it's not the picture you want to paint IMO[/QUOTE]
I don't want to speculate since I haven't spoken with fatal personally, but I think his posting is generally quite good. How long was the comment up for BTW?
[QUOTE=fpliii]I don't want to speculate since I haven't spoken with fatal personally, but I think his posting is generally quite good. How long was the comment up for BTW?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I probably shouldn't either, haven't seen enough of his posts to actually tell...Not sure when it was, but I made the comment around 3:12 AM today and within 7 hours it got deleted
*edit
Maybe it had something to do with youtubes new system for comments?
:confusedshrug:
A lot of animosity in this thread for Fatal9 who is dubbed "a Wilt hater". Truth you may not agree with what the man said but he backed up his opinions with facts and sound logic. I mean are Regul8r, ShaqAttack, PTB Fan etc. all bad posters because they don't think Wilt is the greatest scorer and player? Before you call out others for being biased consider your own personal biases.
As for the OP's video, it's very well done. I've seen most of the footage before since it comes from games that are available but it's well put together. Watching all the available games I've always praised Wilt's coordination, excellent hands, and athleticism. This video definitely sells those points.
I do think Chamberlain lags significantly behind Hakeem and Kareem as far as footwork, fluidity, and variety of moves/counter-moves. Then again it's isn't really a diss. Skills are only the means to an end! Wilt did pretty damn well scoring the ball. The results matter.
Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT. cant believe some people have MJ over him:facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=dankok8]A lot of animosity in this thread for Fatal9 who is dubbed "a Wilt hater". Truth you may not agree with what the man said but he backed up his opinions with facts and sound logic. I mean are Regul8r, ShaqAttack, PTB Fan etc. all bad posters because they don't think Wilt is the greatest scorer and player? Before you call out others for being biased consider your own personal biases.
As for the OP's video, it's very well done. I've seen most of the footage before since it comes from games that are available but it's well put together. Watching all the available games I've always praised Wilt's coordination, excellent hands, and athleticism. This video definitely sells those points.
I do think Chamberlain lags significantly behind Hakeem and Kareem as far as footwork, fluidity, and variety of moves/counter-moves. Then again it's isn't really a diss. Skills are only the means to an end! Wilt did pretty damn well scoring the ball. The results matter.[/QUOTE]
He does seem like he knows a LOT, just don't see a reason to leave out information like this when he posts a highlight of Wilt posting up
"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)
"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."
"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"
Let alone possibly delete it when someone is just trying to put things into context. But like I said to fpliii it might just of been youtubes new comment system