Without KG, Pierce, Allen, Would Rondo Have Become As Good?

T-Jones doesn't have a jumper. Houston doesn't have shooters. Parsons is the only true shooter, Harden is streaky and the rest of the team is below average. Houston doesn't live and die by the 3. That's a lie uninformed box score reading fvck bois like to throw around. This isn't 2013 anymore. IIRC, Houston is not even top 20 in 3 pt%, and yet they have the 3rd best record in the West.

B&W, Jesus what a cry baby you are. Just because I find Rondo overrated doesn't mean I have some sort of vendetta against him. He isn't LeBron, he's no franchise changer. Quit crying like a bitch. And yes he's overrated. Hasn't done anything praise worthy in 24 months. That's fact.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]T-Jones doesn't have a jumper. Houston doesn't have shooters. Parsons is the only true shooter, Harden is streaky and the rest of the team is below average. Houston doesn't live and die by the 3. That's a lie uninformed box score reading fvck bois like to throw around. This isn't 2013 anymore. IIRC, Houston is not even top 20 in 3 pt%, and yet they have the 3rd best record in the West.

B&W, Jesus what a cry baby you are. Just because I find Rondo overrated doesn't mean I have some sort of vendetta against him. He isn't LeBron, he's no franchise changer. Quit crying like a bitch. And yes he's overrated. Hasn't done anything praise worthy in 24 months. That's fact.[/QUOTE]
Here come the excuses for the inevitable playoff bounce

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]T-Jones doesn't have a jumper. Houston doesn't have shooters. Parsons is the only true shooter, Harden is streaky and the rest of the team is below average. Houston doesn't live and die by the 3. That's a lie uninformed box score reading fvck bois like to throw around. This isn't 2013 anymore. IIRC, Houston is not even top 20 in 3 pt%, and yet they have the 3rd best record in the West.

B&W, Jesus what a cry baby you are. Just because I find Rondo overrated doesn't mean I have some sort of vendetta against him. He isn't LeBron, he's no franchise changer. Quit crying like a bitch. And yes he's overrated. Hasn't done anything praise worthy in 24 months. That's fact.[/QUOTE]
Damn this ****** hit you hard, they got you calling names

You're weak bro :oldlol:

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]T-Jones doesn't have a jumper. Houston doesn't have shooters. Parsons is the only true shooter, Harden is streaky and the rest of the team is below average. Houston doesn't live and die by the 3. That's a lie uninformed box score reading fvck bois like to throw around. This isn't 2013 anymore. IIRC, Houston is not even top 20 in 3 pt%, and yet they have the 3rd best record in the West.

B&W, Jesus what a cry baby you are. Just because I find Rondo overrated doesn't mean I have some sort of vendetta against him. He isn't LeBron, he's no franchise changer. Quit crying like a bitch. And yes he's overrated. Hasn't done anything praise worthy in 24 months. That's fact.[/QUOTE]

Lol making excuses for your team already?? Other Rockets fans on this forum have admitted you guys are stacked with shooters.

Yea he isn't LeBron James, but he is the guy that took it to LeBron James and the rest of his team and forced him to play one of the best games of his career to save his team from an ECF exit, Rondo is an elite player, when healthy he is a top 2 pg in the league, this is a fact.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]
What other excuses do you have for me brodie?[/QUOTE]
:lebroncry:

YouGotServed

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[QUOTE=Black and White]Lol making excuses for your team already?? Other Rockets fans on this forum have admitted you guys are stacked with shooters.

Yea he isn't LeBron James, but he is the guy that took it to LeBron James and the rest of his team and forced him to play one of the best games of his career to save his team from an ECF exit, Rondo is an elite player, when healthy he is a top 2 pg in the league, this is a fact.[/QUOTE]

lol again dude, your reading comprehension is garbage. I was giving Houston a compliment, the "they don't live and die by the 3" gave it away no?

I don't care what Rondo did two years ago when he had KG, Pierce and Allen. He's been ghost ever since. Not a month, not 6, but 24. What makes you think what he did years ago is relevant now? Should Laker fans bring up what Kobe did two years ago? Why should it be limited to two years? Arbitrary. Why not go back 3 years? 2011 Dwight anyone?

Oh wait, can't go back 3 years. Only 2. Fits your narrative quite well. Rondo hasnt been an elite PG for years now. Fact.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]lol again dude, your reading comprehension is garbage. I was giving Houston a compliment, the "they don't live and die by the 3" gave it away no?

I don't care what Rondo did two years ago when he had KG, Pierce and Allen. He's been ghost ever since. Not a month, not 6, but 24. What makes you think what he did years ago is relevant now? Should Laker fans bring up what Kobe did two years ago? Why should it be limited to two years? Arbitrary. Why not go back 3 years? 2011 Dwight anyone?

Oh wait, can't go back 3 years. Only 2. Fits your narrative quite well. Rondo hasnt been an elite PG for years now. Fact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]3rd in the west
multiple DPOYs
finals appearance
rebounding titles
multiple all NBA 1st teams
multiple all NBA defensive teams
multiple all star game appearances
not last in the west

"L", doe.[/QUOTE]

History don't matter though? using Howard's past achievements to say he is better then Cousins? :roll:

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]lol again dude, your reading comprehension is garbage. I was giving Houston a compliment, the "they don't live and die by the 3" gave it away no?

I don't care what Rondo did two years ago when he had KG, Pierce and Allen. He's been ghost ever since. Not a month, not 6, but 24. What makes you think what he did years ago is relevant now? Should Laker fans bring up what Kobe did two years ago? Why should it be limited to two years? Arbitrary. Why not go back 3 years? 2011 Dwight anyone?

Oh wait, can't go back 3 years. Only 2. Fits your narrative quite well. Rondo hasnt been an elite PG for years now. Fact.[/QUOTE]

Facts: last 24 months, playing with an old cast plagued with injuries, that isn't going anywhere, fact: Rajon Rondo went down with a serious injury, fact: they have brought him back after a few months into the season and keeping him on limited minutes as they are TANKING, have you not though about that? If they played him more they would win more games which would inhibit the TANK, if he was as overrated as you say he is he would be playing max mins because his play would have no affect on the team right? Right????

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]History don't matter though? using Howard's past achievements to say he is better then Cousins? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Etherman strikes again, straight killed this dude :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Black and White]Etherman strikes again, straight killed this dude :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
He is a straight up fvckboy

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]He is a straight up fvckboy[/QUOTE]

One of the most delusional, uneducated posters I have come across

Rondo hasn't done shit without the big 3 and instead lives off of the reputation he once had thanks to KG, Pierce and Allen. case in point:


[QUOTE=Black and White]Facts: last 24 months, playing with an old cast plagued with injuries, that isn't going anywhere, fact: Rajon Rondo went down with a serious injury, fact: they have brought him back after a few months into the season and keeping him on limited minutes as they are TANKING, have you not though about that? If they played him more they would win more games which would inhibit the TANK, if he was as overrated as you say he is he would be playing max mins because his play would have no affect on the team right? Right????[/QUOTE]

dude is literally giving me a list of excuses on why we should give Rondo a pass for the last two years. lmao

the irony tho, "this isn't 2011 Dwight anymore".

^ same kid who said that is the one claiming Rondo is elite because of what he did two years ago. lol

[QUOTE=YouGotServed] IIRC, Houston is not even top 20 in 3 pt%[/QUOTE]
They sure like to shoot em still, since they're #1 in 3PA
[QUOTE]And yes he's overrated. Hasn't done anything praise worthy in 24 months. That's fact.[/QUOTE]
I agree he's overrated, but his Heat series was factually praise worthy. And he only played half a season without Ray Allen before tearing his ACL

rondo put out 18 pts and 10 ast the game before the AS week doe :roll:

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]Rondo hasn't done shit without the big 3 and instead lives off of the reputation he once had thanks to KG, Pierce and Allen. case in point:




dude is literally giving me a list of excuses on why we should give Rondo a pass for the last two years. lmao

the irony tho, "this isn't 2011 Dwight anymore".

^ same kid who said that is the one claiming Rondo is elite because of what he did two years ago. lol[/QUOTE]

A fully healthy Rondo is an elite PG, nobody would doubt that. I don't see your point there.

[QUOTE=Black and White]A fully healthy Rondo is an elite PG, nobody would doubt that. I don't see your point there.[/QUOTE]

what has he done the last two years? We both know the answer. hence saying he's an elite pg does make him one of if not the most overrated point guard in the league. fact.

[QUOTE=Black and White]
Yea he isn't LeBron James, but he is the guy that took it to LeBron James and the rest of his team and forced him to play one of the best games of his career to save his team from an ECF exit, Rondo is an elite player, when healthy he is a top 2 pg in the league, this is a fact.[/QUOTE]
Only argument Rondo has for being elite and Top 2 PG is in the playoffs. A lot of that has to do with the team he had with the Big 3 and Doc Rivers coaching.

He hasn't shown he can lead a team in a full season and playoffs yet, though. Even he showed he was on the same level as KG, PP, Allen in 2010, the team struggled a bit before eventually winning the Atlantic and settling at #4. They turned the switch in the playoffs, obviously. Atlantic division was shitty too.

Rondo is only overrated when you call him a franchise player. He's not there yet. That's what YGS said, and he's completely correct.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]what has he done the last two years? We both know the answer. hence saying he's an elite pg does make him one of if not the most overrated point guard in the league. fact.[/QUOTE]

It's not fair to use the last 2 years as a gauge to measure Rondo. It's like judging Kobe for his 6 games or whatever this season.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]what has he done the last two years? [/QUOTE]
Led his team a game away from the ECF?

Name another Elite PG who have done anything close to the same please?


What has Dwight or the Rockets done in the last 2 years?

Weak

[QUOTE=DMV2]Only argument Rondo has for being elite and Top 2 PG is in the playoffs. A lot of that has to do with the team he had with the Big 3 and Doc Rivers coaching.

He hasn't shown he can lead a team in a full season and playoffs yet, though. Even he showed he was on the same level as KG, PP, Allen in 2010, the team struggled a bit before eventually winning the Atlantic and settling at #4. They turned the switch in the playoffs, obviously. Atlantic division was shitty too.

Rondo is only overrated when you call him a franchise player. He's not there yet. That's what YGS said, and he's completely correct.[/QUOTE]

Turning it up in the playoffs is exactly what you want from a player, someone who can elevate their play when it gets to the next level.

Now if you read my first post in this thread you will see that I said the big 3 and Doc are the ones that moulded him, but he hasn't really had the chance to show what he can do on his own yet.

[QUOTE=Black and White]It's not fair to use the last 2 years as a gauge to measure Rondo. It's like judging Kobe for his 6 games or whatever this season.[/QUOTE]

:cry: You can't do that. It's unfair to Rondo. Cry more bro.

Dude really say two years isn't a big enough sample size tho? lmao. I've heard it all folks.

yes it's completely fair. I don't believe in double standards. again people. the same kid who says Howard can't be judged by what he did 3 years ago is the same one claiming Rondo is an elite PG because of what he did 2 years ago.

lol

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]:cry: You can't do that. It's unfair to Rondo. Cry more bro.

Dude really say two years isn't a big enough sample size tho? lmao. I've heard it all folks.

yes it's completely fair. I don't believe in double standards. again people. the same kid who says Howard can't be judged by what he did 3 years ago is the same one claiming Rondo is an elite PG because of what he did 2 years ago.

lol[/QUOTE]

How much has Rondo played??? The dude went down with a serious injury, stop acting like a douche, and before he got injured the team he was playing on was barely healthy.

[QUOTE=Black and White]Turning it up in the playoffs is exactly what you want from a player, someone who can elevate their play when it gets to the next level.

Now if you read my first post in this thread you will see that I said the big 3 and Doc are the ones that moulded him, but he hasn't really had the chance to show what he can do on his own yet.[/QUOTE]
No doubt, playoffs are what you live for. I just don't think you can call him an elite player yet based on overall body of work. And it sucks that he's been injured and the Celtics are rebuilding.

But the good thing is, the Atlantic division sucks ass and should suck for the next couple of years, if Boston can get the right pieces then we'll see if Rondo can be that elite franchise player.

[QUOTE=DMV2]No doubt, playoffs are what you live for. I just don't think you can call him an elite player yet based on overall body of work. And it sucks that he's been injured and the Celtics are rebuilding.

But the good thing is, the Atlantic division sucks ass and should suck for the next couple of years, if Boston can get the right pieces then we'll see if Rondo can be that elite franchise player.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I'm saying, the team he was playing with when he got injured was barely a team that he could lead deep into the playoffs anyway, thats why I think that he is getting a raw deal from YGS being judged on a tanking season

to put it in perspective, the season he went down he was averaging

13.7/11/5 on 48% shooting

Chris Paul that season:

16.9/9/3.7 on 48%

Chris Paul was clearly better, but Rondo wasn't playing badly considering he is a pass first PG

[QUOTE=Black and White]How much has Rondo played??? The dude went down with a serious injury, stop acting like a douche, and before he got injured the team he was playing on was barely healthy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not being a douche. I'm stating facts. Rondo hasn't done anything the last couple of seasons for anyone to claim he's still an elite PG.

Stop catching feelings like a high school girl and look at this objectively. hilarious double standard tho.

2011 howard was soooooo 3 years ago. are you going to apply the same logic to Rondo? or are you going to use that logic only when it suits your agenda?

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]I'm not being a douche. I'm stating facts. Rondo hasn't done anything the last couple of seasons for anyone to claim he's still an elite PG.

Stop catching feelings like a high school girl and look at this objectively. hilarious double standard tho.

2011 howard was soooooo 3 years ago. are you going to apply the same logic to Rondo? or are you going to use that logic only when it suits your agenda?[/QUOTE]

You are saying 24 months (24 months = 2 years) for Rondo correct? So why are you talking about 2011 Howard? This is a failed arguement

[QUOTE=Black and White]You are saying 24 months (24 months = 2 years) for Rondo correct? So why are you talking about 2011 Howard? This is a failed arguement[/QUOTE]

Post # 89 should answer that. Atta boy, tho. I applaud the effort.

Are you going to apply the same logic or are you going to flip flop and back peddle? Which one is it?

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]Post # 89 should answer that. Atta boy, tho. I applaud the effort.

Are you going to apply the same logic or are you going to flip flop and back peddle? Which one is it?[/QUOTE]

How many games did Dwight Howard miss in comparison to Rondo?

[QUOTE=Black and White]How many games did Dwight Howard miss in comparison to Rondo?[/QUOTE]

When? 2011? 2012? 2013? C'mon son. Step ^ your posting game.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]When? 2011? 2012? 2013? C'mon son. [B]Step ^ your posting game[/B].[/QUOTE]

I have to post at a lower level for you to understand anything.

If you want to go back 3 years, you have to include his playoff run then, so I don't know what you are trying to say, point is, you lost, everyone buried you, go debate about a team that you actually know something about

[QUOTE=IncarceratedBob]Kobe, Gasol, LeBron in 2010

LeBron, Durant, Parker in 2012

I would rank Rondo around 4-8 in each year of playoffs but still that doesn't mean anything. He had a good squad that made deep CF runs those years. Replace him on those teams with legit stars like Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, etc then the Celtics might actually win something.

5th best player in the playoffs doesn't mean anything, but if it helps you sleep better at night then go for it. GL winning with Raon Rondo as your best player[/QUOTE]

Rondo carried them past the Cavs and Magic, and got them within 1 quarter of a championship when Pierce and Ray couldn't hit a shot.

Parker over Rondo in 2012? What?

Rondo: 19 GP, 17.3 PPG, 12 APG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 SPG, 47% FG
Parker: 14 GP, 20.1 PPG, 6.8 APG, 3.6 RPG, .9 SPG, 45.3% FG

You are delusional.

[QUOTE=Pushxx]Rondo carried them past the Cavs and Magic, and got them within 1 quarter of a championship when Pierce and Ray couldn't hit a shot.

Parker over Rondo in 2012? What?

Rondo: 19 GP, 17.3 PPG, 12 APG, 6.7 RPG, 2.4 SPG, 47% FG
Parker: 14 GP, 20.1 PPG, 6.8 APG, 3.6 RPG, .9 SPG, 45.3% FG

You are delusional.[/QUOTE]
I don't think these people ever watched Rondo play..He is the best PG when healthy

[QUOTE=Black and White]I have to post at a lower level for you to understand anything.

If you want to go back 3 years, you have to include his playoff run then, so I don't know what you are trying to say, point is, you lost, everyone buried you, go debate about a team that you actually know something about[/QUOTE]

lmao @ this hissy fit. I didn't go back 2 or 3 years, you did. I was simply following your logic.

You say Howard can't be evaluated/judged by what he did 3 years ago (he averaged the same numbers the following year in 2012, but hey, I don't want to be mean. gotta give u a chance to state your case) yet you claim Rondo is an elite PG precisely because of what he did two years ago?

dat double standard. you gonna apply the same logic to Rondo or are you going to use that argument only when it fits your narrative?

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]lmao @ this hissy fit. I didn't go back 2 or 3 years, you did. I was simply following your logic.

You say Howard can't be evaluated/judged by what he did 3 years ago (he averaged the same numbers the following year in 2012, but hey, I don't want to be mean. gotta give u a chance to state your case) yet you claim Rondo is an elite PG precisely because of what he did two years ago?

dat double standard. you gonna apply the same logic to Rondo or are you going to use that argument only when it fits your narrative?[/QUOTE]

Ok so you want to judge him coming off an ACL tear playing limited minutes on a tanking team then?

[QUOTE=Black and White]Ok so you want to judge him coming off an ACL tear playing limited minutes on a tanking team then?[/QUOTE]
I'm not judging anyone buddy. I'm saying the fact that people like you still think Rondo is elite despite not having done anything the last two years does indeed make him one of the most overrated pgs in the league. That is fact.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]I'm not judging anyone buddy. I'm saying the fact that people like you still think Rondo is elite despite not having done anything the last two years does indeed make him one of the most overrated pgs in the league. That is fact.[/QUOTE]

That proves it, you are the one that came up with the time frame arguement :oldlol: you use the 2 years where he is a) injured and b) playing with a twilight supporting cast.

Black and White still ethering

[QUOTE=Black and White]That proves it, you are the one that came up with the time frame arguement :oldlol: you use the 2 years where he is a) injured and b) playing with a twilight supporting cast.[/QUOTE]

I'm simply asking you to stay consistent. You say Rondo is elite because of what he did two years ago no?

Why can't this be applied to Howard? Remember, I'm following your logic. Dwight averaged the same numbers in 2012. So again. Going by your logic. Houston still has an elite big man, prime Dwight Howard. Agree?

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]I'm simply asking you to stay consistent. You say Rondo is elite because of what he did two years ago no?

Why can't this be applied to Howard? Remember, I'm following your logic. Dwight averaged the same numbers in 2012. So again. Going by your logic. Houston still has an elite big man, prime Dwight Howard. Agree?[/QUOTE]

Rondo and Howards cases are completely seperate, did Dwight miss as many games as Rondo?????