Lakers might as well hire him back.... theyre gonna be paying him anyway :lol
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Lakers might as well hire him back.... theyre gonna be paying him anyway :lol
not at all surprised to see this. never thought dude was any good as a head coach anyway.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]yeah i ran out you've won insidehoops.[/QUOTE]
No need to tell me. I knew I won from the start :oldlol:
like some have already said, i can see the cavs looking at mark jackson. hes another defensive minded coach, but is also the kind of motivator/authority figure the cavs seem to be lacking. god knows brown wasnt it.
Only the Cavs:facepalm
They were getting better----slowly, each year. This season along they improved by 9 games. Way better than the 2 or 3 games that they improved over the last 4 years.
Interesting to see who takes this job.
[QUOTE=JellyBean]Only the Cavs:facepalm
They were getting better----slowly, each year. This season along they improved by 9 games. Way better than the 2 or 3 games that they improved over the last 4 years.
Interesting to see who takes this job.[/QUOTE]
Rumor has it they are looking at Byron Scott
doesn't bother me one bit. Actually was kind of shocked since I thought he did OK. My main problem with him was he had no offense and gave the wrong players to many mins and the players with talent very little mins. He was not developing the rookies either. If I was the new GM I let him go to because he sure isn't about to get me fired for his dumb moves.
im actually glad this happened, grant made a couple of mistakes this year he hired brown back, he signed clark, bynum, and jack. all were a disaster and cost the team, i have faith in griffen fixing the situation tho. every interview ive seen griffen do he always seems to know exactly what the problems are. most new gms will want there own coach not who they were left with so this shouldnt surprise anyone. cut the cancer and move forward we shall all see this was the right move next year.
Question: Was Mike Brown hired by the Cavs while still having yrs on his Lakers contract? Does that mean the Lakers were paying Mike Brown as well as the Cavs paying him last season? And if so, does that mean Mike Brown is now receiving cheques from both franchises while sitting on the couch...? :confusedshrug:
I guess that would be "Questions" and not "Question"...
Oh man. Who could have saw this coming?
[QUOTE=The_Night_Elf]Question: Was Mike Brown hired by the Cavs while still having yrs on his Lakers contract? Does that mean the Lakers were paying Mike Brown as well as the Cavs paying him last season? And if so, does that mean Mike Brown is now receiving cheques from both franchises while sitting on the couch...? :confusedshrug:
I guess that would be "Questions" and not "Question"...[/QUOTE]
I thought that when he was hired by Cleveland his contract with the lakers was done. I think Cleveland payed the rest of his lakers contract. not entirely sure about that part though.
Mike Brown doesn't have a chance.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]WHAT A BUNCH OF JACKASSES
can't they look at that mess of a franchise in Berea and F*CKING LEARN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS when you install a new coach every other season?[/QUOTE]
+1
Vinny Del Negro maybe the new coach.
Damn. How ****ed up is that?
Cavs: Hey Mike Brown, want a job?
Mike Brown: Sure!
Cavs: Just kidding , we just trollin'.
[QUOTE=Levity]like some have already said, i can see the cavs looking at mark jackson. hes another defensive minded coach, but is also the kind of motivator/authority figure the cavs seem to be lacking. god knows brown wasnt it.[/QUOTE]
please no
im surprised he isnt mentioned more for the more attractive job openings, but id love lionel hollins. hed bring defense, and a toughness this team sorely lacks
Everybody who misses the Playoffs in the East should get the sack.
[QUOTE=Fudge]Wow. Dude's getting fcuked over. Don't expect him getting hired for a while.[/QUOTE]
****ed over? He
[QUOTE=RagaZ]Everybody who misses the Playoffs in the East should get the sack.[/QUOTE]
Every Uruguayan striker in Liverpool that fails to win the league should get sent to Madrid.
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]****ed over? He
Owners don't get it. There's only 1 winning team each year and most teams don't have the talent to win. Changing coaches won't do shit.
So Gilbert, how's that winning a championship before LeBron does guarantee working out for you?
Making LeBron's reasons for leaving more feasible by the day.
Is he good? Can the Rockets get him?
Cavs:lol :facepalm
Wonder who they're looking at to replace potato head. (Who really shouldn't have been signed in the first place he sucks)...
Please be dantoni:roll:
Normally I would write "God hates Cleveland" but with this and the Bynum case I think He might actually be showing a little mercy.
I wasn't a fan of the rehiring of him. I'm fine with this.
[QUOTE=coin24]Cavs:lol :facepalm
Wonder who they're looking at to replace potato head. (Who really shouldn't have been signed in the first place he sucks)...
Please be dantoni:roll:[/QUOTE]
Before Brown got rehired I was hoping for Lionel Hollins.
[QUOTE=Knicks2014champ]I hope the Cavs miss the playoffs again for [B]firing a quality coach[/B][/QUOTE]
Which is why he's been fired 3 times in the last 4 seasons.
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]So Gilbert, how's that winning a championship before LeBron does guarantee working out for you?
Making LeBron's reasons for leaving more feasible by the day.[/QUOTE]
More feasible? He won his ring 2 seasons after he left. There's nothing more to prove. If LeBron left to simply win a championship, he's accomplished that.
[QUOTE=Smook A.]I'll LMFAO if Lakers hire him :lol[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=Meticode]Before Brown got rehired I was hoping for Lionel Hollins.[/QUOTE]
Hollins is an incredibly unlikely choice. The reason is a simple one... Hollins pretty much detests analytics and Griffin -- who was named GM -- is an analytics guy. I'd say it is safe to scratch him off the list entirely. I would have been fine with him as the choice, btw, but just being realistic.
I'm sort of torn on this Brown thing. I mean, I said immediately after Grant was fired that MB was on the clock. So I'm not the least bit surprised at the move, but there's no question that sans-Bynum, the team improved dramatically. All statistics and their record attests to that.
And, while they dug themselves too deep a hole at the start of the year, I don't think there's any denying that progress was made, especially in the last quarter of the season.
In retrospect, it does seem Brown was a bad fit. A veteran coach whose experience is in coaching veteran-laden teams sent to coach-up the second youngest roster in the NBA with two very strong personalities leading the way (Kyrie/Dion). It wasn't exactly a great recipe.
Still, I saw glimpses of what could have been toward the end of the year. Can't say I'm upset at the firing, but I'll also reserve judgement until they make a hire.
I was fine with keeping Griffin on as GM. He seems competent and much less of a risk-taker than his predecessor. He also seems more... likeable. Grant could come off snarky and arrogant. I don't think coaches or players appreciated that about him (he was viewed as a bit of a buffoon around the league, sources said after he was fired).
Since Griffin will be making this decision (with plenty of input by Gilbert, I'm sure), I'd say we can at least begin to compile a list of most likely hires. There's a lot of buzz around Alvin Gentry and apparently Griffin is somewhat enamored by him.
[url]http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/05/as_cleveland_cavaliers_look_fo.html[/url]
Here's the Plain Dealer's list of possibilities... I'm glad to see MDA on the list of 'less likely' choices.
[B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"][U]MORE LIKELY[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[B]Alvin Gentry [/B]-- A players' coach who had a 145-116 record with the Suns, including a 54-28 mark in 2009-10.
[B]Vinny Del Negro [/B]-- Was an assistant general manager during Griffin's time with the Suns.
[B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"][U]LESS LIKELY[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[B]Mike D'Antoni [/B]-- His high-powered offense is too much of a radical departure after all the emphasis placed on defense this season.
[B]Steve Kerr [/B]-- Probably too far along in his negotiations to become head coach of the New York Knicks.
[SIZE="4"][B][COLOR="DarkRed"][U]VETERANS[/U][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
[B]Mike Fratello [/B]-- Former Cavs coach last coached in Memphis at the start of the 2006-07 season.
[B]George Karl [/B]-- Another former Cavs coach who was the coach of the year in Denver in 2012-13.
[B]Jeff Van Gundy [/B]-- Popular ESPN broadcaster whose name comes up for most openings. He interviewed with Cavs in 2003.
[B]Stan Van Gundy [/B]-- Reportedly a leading candidate in Golden State.
[B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"][U]LONGSHOTS[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[B]Chauncey Billups [/B]-- Cavs owner Dan Gilbert loves Billups, and with Jason Kidd having success in his first season as a coach after retiring as a point guard, there could be some consideration for Billups, who hasn't yet retired.
[B]John Calipari [/B]-- Kentucky coach insists he's going to remain in college ranks, but his name always comes up in large part because of his friendship with LeBron James.
[B]Tom Izzo [/B]-- Gilbert wooed him but he couldn't be convinced to leave Michigan State in the summer of 2010. Not sure anything has changed.
[B]Kevin Ollie [/B]-- Former Cavs player won NCAA title in his second season as head coach at UConn and has been mentioned as possible candidate for numerous NBA jobs.
[B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"][U]OTHERS[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[B]
Adrian Griffin [/B]-- Bulls assistant coach called a top candidate for Cavs by USA Today.
[B]Lionel Hollins [/B]-- Former Memphis coach is not a fan of analytics, whereas Griffin is.
[B]Mark Jackson [/B]-- Won 51 games with the Warriors this season and his players tried to save his job -- to no avail.
[url]http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/05/from_likely_to_longshot_a_look.html[/url]
From this list, I'd prefer Gentry over VDN in the 'most likely' section. Of the rest, Karl, Ollie and Jackson would all be very interesting.
I guess that's probably the four I'd have as my frontrunners and the guys I'd be most pleased with.
He had no chance without that "white guy" drawing up plays for him.
"i Personally Guarantee That The Cleveland Cavaliers Will Win An Nba Championship Before The Self-titled Former
I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think he was fired?
shoulda just bumped the thread for the first time :lol
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.[/QUOTE]
That was a really good informative post. But shitting on Cleveland sports is just too much fun for the rest of us. Lighten up, friend.
What is with this former generation of players to coaches trend going on right now? Are we at that time in the cycle where veteran coaches are no longer desirable and it's time to bring in new blood?
Seeing all these names of players I watched and it's making me feel old. Adrian Griffin... Billups, for real? Then we had Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Kerr is going to end up in NY. These aren't even no-name players either.
At least you guys got Johnny Football, tho. That kid is going to shit on the NFL like he's facing Bama every week.
[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]Why do you think he was fired?[/QUOTE]
He was Chris Grant's guy. People tend to falsely believe that bringing Brown back was Dan Gilbert's call because they're great friends or something.
Couldn't be further from the truth. Gilbert played the role of supportive owner when he was re-hired by going in front of the press and professing his "mistake" in firing him, but bring MB back was Chris Grant's doing.
Brown and Grant are old college buddies. They go way back. And, from all the reports that have come out since his firing, Byron Scott spent more time on the gold course than he did in the practice facility.
I think Grant approached Gilbert about bring back MB and sold him on work ethic (Brown's is great) and the way he turned the Cavs from a horrible defensive team in 2005 to a very good one in 2006. Grant sold him that he'd do for Kyrie and Dion's defense what he did for LeBron (quite a lot).
However, I think it became apparent early on that Brown was out of sorts with this young group. I said it at the time when everyone was assuming Grant was fired over his recent draft picks, particularly Anthony Bennett.
I never thought that had anything to do with it. Grant was fired because he put his job on the line for Mike Brown and things started off horribly.
Like I said, the team did show marked improvement in the second half of the season, but by then, Brown's biggest proponent (Grant) was already long gone and the decision had probably already been made. I think he may have been fired even if they would have climbed their way back into the playoffs.
The day Grant was fired, MB was done in Cleveland.
[QUOTE=JimmyMcAdocious]What is with this former generation of players to coaches trend going on right now? Are we at that time in the cycle where veteran coaches are no longer desirable and it's time to bring in new blood?
Seeing all these names of players I watched and it's making me feel old. Adrian Griffin... Billups, for real? Then we had Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Kerr is going to end up in NY. These aren't even no-name players either.[/quote]
I feel the same way. It's weird seeing names like Billups in these kinds of coaching searches. Hell, it doesn't feel like that long ago when Kevin Ollie was [I][B]playing [/B][/I]for the Cavs. Now, he's one of the hottest names in the coaching world.
Yeah, I just think we're at that point in the cycle where a lot of the old school guys we've all grown accustomed to are either going or are gone, and most of their older assistants have been given ample opportunity.
It doesn't hurt that guys like Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd and Kevin Ollie have proven to be pretty good coaches, given the chance.
[QUOTE=JimmyMcAdocious]At least you guys got Johnny Football, tho. That kid is going to shit on the NFL like he's facing Bama every week.[/QUOTE]
I hope you're right... and that Josh Gordon's suspension is reduced significantly. JF is going to need him.