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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]See...this is the problem people have with Cavs fans.
Comparing KD and Lebron? What?
KD is playing on a loaded team with a legit superstar and a great 3rd guy in Ibaka with a really good drafting GM with tons of future assets and young players.
The Cavs were so much worse than these Thunder teams it's just laughable to compare them...[/QUOTE]
what have the thunder done that the cavs didn't? get to the finals once? be disappointing?
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Lakers got robbed.[/QUOTE]
STFU, your franchise has had enough success, some of it through rigging; 2002.
It's long overdue that the Lakers fell into complete irrelevance.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]what have the thunder done that the cavs didn't? get to the finals once? be disappointing?[/QUOTE]
What?
It's not just about results...it's about building a quality team.
Again...this is the problem with delusional Cavs fans. You think Lebron left for no reason or that he has a flaw or something. He left because you gave him shit to work with for 7 years and basically had no future.
Take a look at the the differences;
KD is now in year 7....the same year Lebron left.
The Thunder have been contenders since 2011. They have a superstar in Westbrook who is 25 years old. Ibaka is a great 3rd guy...he's 24. Reggie Jackson is a fantastic 6th man...he's 23. They have a beast of a prospect at center with Adams. Perry Jones and Lamb are both promising and they are 22 and 21 respectively.
And they have an extra pick in the draft this year.
So not only have the Thunder been contenders since 2011, but they have a brighter future on paper than any other team in the league.
The Cavs never gave Lebron a player as Ibaka his entire team in Cleveland. Mo Williams, probably the best player Lebron had, would be the 5th best player on the current Thunder.
Even worse, the Cavs were old as ****.
Look at what the Cavs were running out;
Mo Williams
Jamison (old)
Shaq (old)
Parker (old)
West
Andy
Moon
Big Z (old)
That is what the Cavs had the year Lebron left. It's laughable how bad that is for the future. They had nothing. And they weren't even close to as good as the Thunder are now when healthy.
Please stop comparing the two situations. Durant would be a moron to leave....Lebron absolutely had to leave in order to win.
And I'd also like to point out...that the current Cavs should be in a position to trade some of their young players and picks for a true star. Like Kevin Love, but most likely they can't, because a guy like Love won't agree to stay for sure.
That is an issue Cavs fans try to sweep under the rug.
Again, we all want the Cavs to be good. We want every team to be better. It's way more fun to watch the league. The West was amazing this year. The East was shit. And it's not as fun. If there were 5 more good teams...that NBA would be so much better. And it's frustrating when teams like the Wolves and Cavs squander a lot of what they've gotten.
the Cavs have been gifted nothing. they've managed to screw up everything, expect them to continue doing so.
any team that re-hires Mike Brown should get no respect from anyone.
and the moron that made that move should not be allowed to hold any front office position forever.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Dat moment when you realize you are going to Cleveland or Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
Wiggins probably bolting after his 4th season. Ditto for Joel.
I just can't see them having success on those teams that will convince them to stay.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Wiggins probably bolting after his 4th season. Ditto for Joel.
I just can't see them having success on those teams that will convince them to stay.[/QUOTE]
I love how people are speculating 5, 6, 7 years down the road. :oldlol:
The last 18 hours have been priceless.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]What?
It's not just about results...it's about building a quality team.
Again...this is the problem with delusional Cavs fans. You think Lebron left for no reason or that he has a flaw or something. He left because you gave him shit to work with for 7 years and basically had no future.
Take a look at the the differences;
KD is now in year 7....the same year Lebron left.
The Thunder have been contenders since 2011. They have a superstar in Westbrook who is 25 years old. Ibaka is a great 3rd guy...he's 24. Reggie Jackson is a fantastic 6th man...he's 23. They have a beast of a prospect at center with Adams. Perry Jones and Lamb are both promising and they are 22 and 21 respectively.
And they have an extra pick in the draft this year.
So not only have the Thunder been contenders since 2011, but they have a brighter future on paper than any other team in the league.
The Cavs never gave Lebron a player as Ibaka his entire team in Cleveland. Mo Williams, probably the best player Lebron had, would be the 5th best player on the current Thunder.
Even worse, the Cavs were old as ****.
Look at what the Cavs were running out;
Mo Williams
Jamison (old)
Shaq (old)
Parker (old)
West
Andy
Moon
Big Z (old)
That is what the Cavs had the year Lebron left. It's laughable how bad that is for the future. They had nothing. And they weren't even close to as good as the Thunder are now when healthy.
Please stop comparing the two situations. Durant would be a moron to leave....Lebron absolutely had to leave in order to win.
And I'd also like to point out...that the current Cavs should be in a position to trade some of their young players and picks for a true star. Like Kevin Love, but most likely they can't, because a guy like Love won't agree to stay for sure.
That is an issue Cavs fans try to sweep under the rug.
Again, we all want the Cavs to be good. We want every team to be better. It's way more fun to watch the league. The West was amazing this year. The East was shit. And it's not as fun. If there were 5 more good teams...that NBA would be so much better. And it's frustrating when teams like the Wolves and Cavs squander a lot of what they've gotten.[/QUOTE]
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This.
[QUOTE=plowking]Are people serious? :oldlol:
First it was "build the team the right way; through the draft".
Now even that isn't the right way.
It has become "build the team right way, without getting too lucky, and don't buy too many good players as well"...
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
I just hate the draft lottery for this reason. I know the Cavs got lucky...this isn't about that. I'm for an almost completely random draft with each team getting the same odds each year. Because giving high picks to shit teams fails just as much as it works. It promotes tanking and being bad...and essentially turns some markets into developmental teams. Like the Wolves.[/QUOTE]
I like that idea, but with a tweak. Give teams the ability to declare franchise players. A franchise contract could allow for longer contracts that can pay more per year. If your team and a player come to terms on such a contract, you are ineligible for a top 3 pick until that contract is no longer on your team.
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]Cleveland got lucky but no one else missed out majorly or got robbed.[/QUOTE]
The Pistons lost their pick. Cleveland bumped them out of the top 8.
[QUOTE=LABean]The Pistons lost their pick. Cleveland bumped them out of the top 8.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly a surprise. Pistons fans knew this was a distinct possibility. Any movement in teams 9-14 would have knocked the Pistons out. They needed it to work out exactly as projected.
Sucks for their fans... they are a divisional foe, though, so... :confusedshrug:
The crying over the lottery is fvcking hilarious! Who gives a damn how many number 1 picks Cleveland gets. That's why it's called fvcking lottery! Fans of loser franchises are just mad because they continue to support a garbage team that's forever "rebuilding" :lol
Congrats to Cleveland. Don't fvck it up, pick Wiggins.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I love how people are speculating 5, 6, 7 years down the road. :oldlol:
The last 18 hours have been priceless.[/QUOTE]
My comments are really in jest, but most Raptor fans want to believe it.
I don't see Wiggins staying if the team isn't contending and certainly not in Milwaukee of all places.
Laker fans saying they got robbed when every other ****ing team went down one spot too. Jesus, I hate their fans :facepalm
Not sure why people mad. I was laughing my ass off when the results were revealed.