Hypocrisies in feminism

[QUOTE=Nick Young]I agree here.

My whole life I was taught to believe that university is like Ridonks is talking about it as, that getting in to uni was the most important thing, and how I would learn so much there.

Unfortunately when I got there, I guess I expected too much. Teachers where lazy, kids didn't give a phuck, the standards were garbage. Kids all around me seemed to have an attitude that once they have a degree they could just walk in to any job. Hardly anyone worked hard. I was being taught shit that I had already learned in 9th grade in America:facepalm I only succeeded and am doing decently these days BY IGNORING and GOING AGAINST most of the bullshit my professors told us to do.

The kids who my professors constantly lorded over all of us as golden saviors of design are now working in places like Autoglass window repair and Staples as sales assistants, so I am confidant I did the right thing not listening to these guys.


My uni was not great-but I did spend my first year in a very very good school (until I couldnt afford it anymore) and the attitudes of the profs and students was similar.


working in the education sector the previous year, I saw alot more shit. I know I sound like a dumbass on this site sometimes but that's just because I like to troll to get funny reactions. I had to sit in a lot of big wig meetings and read a bunch of reports and I saw first hand how this "Uni degrees for everyone" is just phucking up things.

Too many dumbasses who dont belong in uni are being accepted in to uni, because unis want their student loans. Also these dumbasses are being encouraged to go in to uni whereas in the older days they wouldn't have been, because clearly they are too stupid and unmotivated to handle it.

There is a PC way to say that, but I cant be phucked ^^^

So these dumbasses go to unis and do their best to drag back everything and everyone around them. Courses have to be simplified to accommodate the dumbasses who aren't qualified to be in the course in the first place.

They are fast tracked through the courses, because professors don't want to fail them, because it would mean having to teach them in class for another year.

Eventually all these dumbasses get out of uni with a shiny new degree. Employers give these kids a chance, and because they're unqualified and unmotivated dumbasses, they flounder. These dumbasses have cheapened the university degree for everyone.

ALSO-entitlement culture. Everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit, but still kids are graduating and expecting to be handed jobs on a silver platter. Then when they don't get the jobs, they moan and complain at their unis because they got low grades, so the unis comply by making the courses even simpler.

Maybe this is only a problem in UK higher education and not the US, I dunno.[/QUOTE]
It's a problem in the US but it's not everywhere. In the US cost is becoming the problem. So if you are going to school to learn or grow and not for a specific reason or job good luck with that unless you have shit tons of money. College is becoming expensive to a degree that it really is just an elitist institution.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Lulz.

Feminism slowly being planted in the minds of Muslim women... and soon enough AMISH AND MORMONS.

Gonna be an interesting world.[/QUOTE]

If education and standard of living rises in the Middle East then I can definitely see feminism rising there. But at this rate I don't think so with the rise of radical Islam and with the population liking Sharia Islam(WTF). If you think about it the women in the region were more modern in the 60's, 70's and probably even 80's as the case was for muslim women in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon(don't really know situation today), possibly in parts in Turkey, probably Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc.


But I really don't understand feminists in the US and Western Europe. They protest for the dumbest of reasons and it makes you lose brain cells by listening to them. For example feminists in Norway(or one of those Scandinavian countries) protested that urinals are sexist(wtf?) and they always protest irrelevant and counter productive issues like if an organization fails to have a woman in a leading role or if a male actor says something derogatory about women they all piss their pants.

Not like women are discriminate against in the US either(quite the opposite) with all the laws and quotas that help them succeed. If feminists were really interested in women rights they would protest against Middle Eastern regimes but they probably think that's racist.

[QUOTE=niko]It's a problem in the US but it's not everywhere. In the US cost is becoming the problem. So if you are going to school to learn or grow and not for a specific reason or job good luck with that unless you have shit tons of money. College is becoming expensive to a degree that it really is just an elitist institution.[/QUOTE]

The middle class is shrinking. So it's basically going to be a rich elite class and a poor class. There needs to be a big shake up with the politicians. This corruption and destruction of the country needs to stop. But it won't happen because too many people are lazy and dumb. The mass influx of illegal immigration doesn't help. It benefits the politicians but it hurts everyone else. Many of the rich are the same people that are feminist or creating all of these problems. Supposedly the people that are trying to help us underprivileged. I agree these university's are bullshit. PC is out of control in these universities. It's a shame. I blame the stinking hippies.

[QUOTE=knickballer]If education and standard of living rises in the Middle East then I can definitely see feminism rising there. But at this rate I don't think so with the rise of radical Islam and with the population liking Sharia Islam(WTF). If you think about it the women in the region were more modern in the 60's, 70's and probably even 80's as the case was for muslim women in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon(don't really know situation today), possibly in parts in Turkey, probably Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc.


But I really don't understand feminists in the US and Western Europe. They protest for the dumbest of reasons and it makes you lose brain cells by listening to them. For example feminists in Norway(or one of those Scandinavian countries) protested that urinals are sexist(wtf?) and they always protest irrelevant and counter productive issues like if an organization fails to have a woman in a leading role or if a male actor says something derogatory about women they all piss their pants.

Not like women are discriminate against in the US either(quite the opposite) with all the laws and quotas that help them succeed. If feminists were really interested in women rights they would protest against Middle Eastern regimes but they probably think that's racist.[/QUOTE]
Feminism is nothing more than Marxism pretending to be something else.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.[/QUOTE]

great post, as usual.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Feminism is nothing more than Marxism pretending to be something else.[/QUOTE]
wtf are you talking about

money says you would have a hard time accurately defining both marxism and feminism

[QUOTE=RidonKs]wtf are you talking about

money says you would have a hard time accurately defining both marxism and feminism[/QUOTE]
No, I very easily could, but I'm not going to write an essay just to prove something to you.

i never said you had to write an essay

my only point is that you pretty much equated marxism and feminism, or suggested one falls under the category of the other. which is imo almost completely false.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]i never said you had to write an essay

my only point is that you pretty much equated marxism and feminism, or suggested one falls under the category of the other. which is imo almost completely false.[/QUOTE]
Then you're not very familiar with Marxism or you mistakenly think feminism is simply "we want the same rights as men".

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Then you're not very familiar with Marxism or you mistakenly think feminism is simply "we want the same rights as men".[/QUOTE]
one of us is mistaken on definition. we can either leave it at calling each other wrong or you can offer up your definition since it was you who initially made the claim i had to take issue with, namely that marxism and feminism are... whatever you said. sorta kinda two sides of the same coin or whatever.

not that this conversation is particularly productive, these concepts don't mean a whole lot in the abstract. but i do think you're wrong in what you said and i do think our disagreement is a matter of definition.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]one of us is mistaken on definition. we can either leave it at calling each other wrong or you can offer up your definition since it was you who initially made the claim i had to take issue with, namely that marxism and feminism are... whatever you said. sorta kinda two sides of the same coin or whatever.

not that this conversation is particularly productive, these concepts don't mean a whole lot in the abstract. [B]but i do think you're wrong in what you said and i do think our disagreement is a matter of definition.[/B][/QUOTE]
The issue with defining "feminism" is that in typical fashion of Marxist language, it is intentionally vague. The often will separate themselves as "culteral marxists" from "marxists" (economic marxist). It's all intentionally ambiguous.

I really don't care what you think on the subject as you are a blank slate. Now, I understand that you're not aware of that. You don't know that you don't know what you don't know.

You have a computer. It's not hard to look up the history of the feminist movement and it political goals.

Long story short......

Capitalism inherently breeds oppression, one of the brands being oppression of women. The only cure? A great socialist revolution.



I'm not going to write a giant essay, but here's the type of idiots you're dealing with. If you're interested in more information, look it up for yourself. I'm not going to do the work for you.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBDUv7sLNck"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBDUv7sLNck[/URL]

No coincidence that the biggest feminist social justice warrior whiners at UK universities are also the most hardcore marxists and stalinists, and even maoists:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Spoken as someone who had to deal with these assholes on a regular basis:facepalm

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q[/url]


Maddox getting real with this shit.

Feminists disagree on what feminism means, let's leave it at that.

But I do think there are similarities between hardcore feminism and marxism. The trappings are the same. Both ideologies come from a basic notion of injustice you can easily identify with, but have a problematic relation with violence that ultimately doom them to failure. They view the situation in conflictual terms, one side against the other.

Both hardcore feminism and marxism combine two traits that are historically very dangerous together:
- a broad, extensible definition of "oppression" and "violence"
- a "fight the oppressors" mentality (ie, because they're oppressing us we have a right to fight back)

In combination, they lead to the war of all against all, as in the cultural revolution.

Marxism, however, has been much more dangerous so far, because it is generally much more extreme in its will to "fight the oppressor", but somewhat more specific about what "oppression" means, whereas feminism is the exact reverse: almost insanely broad definition of oppression (some feminists have turned the identification of new examples of oppression into an art form), but much lower propensity to violence (at least so far, perhaps because women are less violent in general). So while feminism is conceptually dubious (you could say it only succeeds insofar as it is hopelessly vague and ineffectual), it's at least somewhat benign.

Interestingly, radical antislavery movements from the 19th century are on the opposite side of feminism: very narrowly defined enemy (slavery, and nothing but), justifying violent resistance. They've also proved to be far less dangerous than marxism, because the violence stops at some point, once the goal is reached.

So it does seem as the truly dangerous idea is not marxism per se, but more generally notions of "open ended conflict".

lol never listen to women's words .. they don't know what they [I]mean [/I]when they talk .. you lead, they follow .

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[QUOTE=dude77]lol never listen to women's words .. they don't know what they [I]mean [/I]when they talk .. you lead, they follow .

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bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks.

[QUOTE=diamenz]bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks.[/QUOTE]

lick on deez nuts and suck the dick
get the **** out after you're done
and I hops in my ride to make a quick run

We flip flop and serve hoes like flap jacks
(But we don

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]Women just need to accept that they are here to reproduce, cook, clean and fvck.[/QUOTE]

Get that chauvinist filth out of here.

Raising children, managing homes, worshipping God, being their husbands partner are other duties they got to do.

Women are extremely important and have crucial duties for the welfare of humanity.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]No coincidence that the biggest feminist social justice warrior whiners at UK universities are also the most hardcore marxists and stalinists, and even maoists:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Spoken as someone who had to deal with these assholes on a regular basis:facepalm[/QUOTE]

They are probably less evil than the likes of you.