Lebron just lost major points in my book (and got owned).

[QUOTE=-primetime-]well I don't know thier contracts but maybe owned even more than Lebron...he has to wear those crappy Starburys all year long...and I bet he isn't getting nearly one tenth of the money Lebron is from Nike...

[I]"The shoes don't have any arch support either, and there's very little padding, so it can feel like you're running up and down the court with a couple wooden planks strapped to your feet. Due to the weak sole and complete lack of arch support, it's difficult to jump and accelerate when running out on a fast break (not to mention the "clomp, clomp, clomp" sound you'll make while running). This will be a deterrent to almost anyone who plays competitive basketball, but especially to someone like me who has flat feet. By the end of the night, both of my feet were sore and my left knee was aching.[B][SIZE="3"] I don't know how Stephon is going to get through next season playing in these things.[/SIZE][/B]
"[/I][/QUOTE]
Do you know anything about Starbury's? Marbury owns Starbury you clown, did you not make the connection, or do you not have a functioning brain. Stephon has had no knee problems this seaspn, so that leads me to think that this website you posted is full of ****. FInd me a few more articles saying the Starbury's are low quality, and then maybe i'll consider it.

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="3"] I don't know how Stephon is going to get through next season playing in these things.[/SIZE][/B]
"[/I][/QUOTE]

How? B y playing the best team basketball in year, by putting up about his regular stats since december. By playing about 80 games this year, without any ankle/foot/leg related injuries. By adding a star player and a huge athlete to his Starbury brand.

So yeah, I'll take that as some pretty nice indications his shoes are doing quite well this season.

I'd even go out on a limb and say that I'd take a top athlete performance on a certain shoe over the review of some unknown journalist from some website.

[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Those 2K3's are great Loot, I had the black ones. But they are hardly "nothing fancy." You're talking a shoe that MSRP'd well over 100$ and features carbon fiber, zoom air sockliner, and was in commercials with Parker, Kidd, Nash, and some other Nike guys.

But anyways, do you think if someone replaced your 2K3's with some other shoes before you went out for your hoop session, [I]whether they be Starbury's, Magic32's, or even more expensive "better" shoes like the LeBron 4's or Jordan 22's and you weren't allowed to look at your feet (made you wear some dribbling googles maybe)[/I], [B][SIZE="3"]that you could tell[/SIZE][/B]?[/QUOTE]
hell yeah...if you think you wouldn't then you have never played basketball before

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]I agree with LeBron with what he meant. If I'm playing ball I want something sturdier and more reliable than a pair of $15 cheaply made shoes. However, his comments are way off base and incredibly rude. I think he worded it wrong, but you also have to take into account context. He was asked a question, which may or may not have been to corner LeBron into feeling bad about endorsing a more expensive product, so in turn he was defending the company he represents.[/QUOTE]

Nike's are some of the cheapest, crappiest shoes on the planet. Just because they cost $150, that doesn't make them a "high quality product".....they are made in sweat shops. I stopped wearing Nike shoes like 10 years ago, I got tired of being taken to the cleaners buying them, just to watch them fall apart.

Nike = overpriced, overblown.....crap.

There are so SO MUCH BETTER shoes out there for half the price. I haven't worn Marbury's shoe, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they're more comfortable than LeBron's

Wow, great thing to tell kids

"Hey, don't wear these cheap Starbury crap childrens, get the $150 LeBrons too look cool."

[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Those 2K3's are great Loot, I had the black ones. But they are hardly "nothing fancy." You're talking a shoe that MSRP'd well over 100$ and features carbon fiber, zoom air sockliner, and was in commercials with Parker, Kidd, Nash, and some other Nike guys.

But anyways, do you think if someone replaced your 2K3's with some other shoes before you went out for your hoop session, [I]whether they be Starbury's, Magic32's, or even more expensive "better" shoes like the LeBron 4's or Jordan 22's and you weren't allowed to look at your feet (made you wear some dribbling googles maybe)[/I], that you could tell?[/QUOTE]


Not really as long as they aren't too heavy and aren't some Gilbert Arenas low top sized shoes. Only problem I have is fitting these two models around my ankle brace. (And yes I wore nike 2k3 when I tore three ankle ligaments and twisted my cuboid....freak accidents can happen anytime I guess...even with 120$ shoes it seems)

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt]Do you know anything about Starbury's? Marbury owns Starbury you clown, did you not make the connection, or do you not have a functioning brain. Stephon has had no knee problems this seaspn, so that leads me to think that this website you posted is full of ****. [B][SIZE="5"]FInd me a few more articles saying the Starbury's are low quality, and then maybe i'll consider it[/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B]

if you think that Marbury somehow was able to create the ferrari of all basketball shoes for that price then you have your head shoved up your ass...

show me a good review of those shoes...how about that?

"Basketbawful" is just some guy with a blog. Anyone can write anything on a blog. A few months ago we had a topic like this and I posted a link to a site that pointed out Starbury's shoes were designed by designers that worked for Nike and other major labels. I can't find that link, but [URL="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060906/ai_n16705953"]I did find this one.[/URL]
[QUOTE]On a recent NPR segment, a shoe designer who used to work for Fila said of the Starbury Ones: "I don't understand how they were able to do this for 15 bucks. This is a very nicely built shoe, extremely sturdy. This has good ankle support. The traction looks like it's good. It looks like it has a grippy bottom."[/QUOTE]
So no, they didn't make the shoes out of tree bark.

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B]

if you think that Marbury somehow was able to create the ferrari of all basketball shoes for that price then you have your head shoved up your ass...

show me a good review of those shoes...how about that?[/QUOTE]

HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK LEBRONS SHOES COST TO MAKE???? Go to school and take a couple econ or even polical economy classes. Or just read an article.

[QUOTE=-primetime-]hell yeah...if you think you wouldn't then you have never played basketball before[/QUOTE]


its the little things. the 2k3's have some hard plastic pointy things at each side of the tongue. they cause some friction close to the ankle. they also have some leather edges where the tongue ties into the nose of the shoe which can cause some friction.

the reeboks are really glove like but have just a little less support to each side. but ive never had any ankle injuries while wearing them.

its litle things, but it's all about how your feet are shaped, and personal preferences. i did play on shelltoes a few months and ruined my knees for 2 years.

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
Nike loves you.

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B]

if you think that Marbury somehow was able to create the ferrari of all basketball shoes for that price then you have your head shoved up your ass...

show me a good review of those shoes...how about that?[/QUOTE]

Marbury's season. Ben Wallace's future endorsement. NBA Players won't wear bad shoes, they make millions on the court. More than they'dmake endorsing Starbury's.


Good enough a reviw for me. Like I said, I'll take those performances over the review of some journalist.

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B]

if you think that Marbury somehow was able to create the ferrari of all basketball shoes for that price then you have your head shoved up your ass...

show me a good review of those shoes...how about that?[/QUOTE]
[SIZE="7"]WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP USING BIG FONT @$$HOLE?[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]You're precious Nikes are made FOR LESS THAN $15! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON? NIKE JUST PUTS HIGH PRICES ON THEY'RE SHOES BECAUSE RETARDED PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK "HIGH PRICE = GOOD QUALITY!"[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt]More athletes = more publicity = more shoe sales.

If you're idea in here is correct, then why do Jordans cost so much, even though MJ only has about 20 players signed to the label?

And I don't think Nike shelled out the big bucks, so they could sign players like Channing Frye. Nike has a lot of athletes, but only a few have enormous contracts.

You're reasoning doesn't ad up, i'd like an answer to why Jordan's cost so much when they have about 20 athletes. Its all about the logo on the shoe, its got nothing to do with quality, and that is clear.[/QUOTE] we may be arguing the same side of the coin here, i made no comment on quality all i was reffering to is that nike spends alot of money on resaerch and advertising and as such nike's cost alot more money than other shoes that don't have that kind of overhead to make up for... as for quality i find it hard to belives that nikes that cost ten times more are actually ten times better.... nike pays indonesians about $1.60 a day to make their shoes so it's not like we got a team of high tech craftsman putting the things together...

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt][SIZE="7"]WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP USING BIG FONT @$$HOLE?[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]You're precious Nikes are made FOR LESS THAN $15! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON? NIKE JUST PUTS HIGH PRICES ON THEY'RE SHOES BECAUSE RETARDED PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK "HIGH PRICE = GOOD QUALITY!"[/SIZE][/QUOTE] haha ok we are arguing the same side of the coin..i couldn't agree more....

Who has actually bought these shoes? I bought them for basketball and they do as good of a job as a $100 Nike. 60 minutes even ran a story on it and it was made from the same material as the Jordans. People don't understand that shoes like Jordans and Nikes get made for less than $15 and they put a $100 price tag on it because they know people will buy them. So before anyone tries to defend Nike, know that at some point or another, they have screwed you for your money.

[QUOTE=gts]we may be arguing the same side of the coin here, i made no comment on quality all i was reffering to is that nike spends alot of money on resaerch and advertising and as such nike's cost alot more money than other shoes that don't have that kind of overhead to make up for... as for quality i find it hard to belives that nikes that cost ten times more are actually ten times better.... nike pays indonesians about $1.60 a day to make their shoes so it's not like we got a team of high tech craftsman putting the things together...[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. But Nike easily make back money spent on research by pricing they're shoes 800% higher than they spend making the shoes.

[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]Who has actually bought these shoes? I bought them for basketball and they do as good of a job as a $100 Nike. 60 minutes even ran a story on it and it was made from the same material as the Jordans. People don't understand that shoes like Jordans and Nikes get made for less than $15 and they put a $100 price tag on it because they know people will buy them. So before anyone tries to defend Nike, know that at some point or another, they have screwed you for your money.[/QUOTE]


You can't buy them here in Europe. I'm currently looking to buy 2 or 3 pais at ebay. Just the regular ones. White, Black and maybe the white/baby blue ones. Great stuff, you can buy 3 pairs of shoes and spend only 60 bucks. Not sure if I'll use them to play ball. They look good enough to wear casually too.

[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]Who has actually bought these shoes? I bought them for basketball and they do as good of a job as a $100 Nike. 60 minutes even ran a story on it and it was made from the same material as the Jordans. People don't understand that shoes like Jordans and Nikes get made for less than $15 and they put a $100 price tag on it because they know people will buy them. So before anyone tries to defend Nike, know that at some point or another, they have screwed you for your money.[/QUOTE]
I own a pair, and whenever I go to the park or the gym I wear them, and they have yet to fail me. I don't wear them in school games, because the school buys adidas for us, but the Starbury's are just as good as any pair of Nike/Jordan/Adidas shoes i've ever worn.

Its just people like -Idiottime- that think "high price = better quality"

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt][SIZE="7"]WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP USING BIG FONT @$$HOLE?[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]You're precious Nikes are made FOR LESS THAN $15! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON? NIKE JUST PUTS HIGH PRICES ON THEY'RE SHOES BECAUSE RETARDED PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK "HIGH PRICE = GOOD QUALITY!"[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Heh. I remember when I used to write posts like this. I think I'm getting old. Mean way of phrasing it, but you're 100% correct.

And Sheed never played in regular Air Force 1s. Nike made his special with a zoom air insole and then when they released the Sheed AF1s had his jumpshot logo on them and the same doublestacked zoom insoles. That's cool he's an old school guy and can hoop in them though. I turned my ankle shooting around in some lowtops, no lie. Boxy ass midsoles

[IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL1152/4610740/15643384/237649501.jpg[/IMG]

Its sad what Nike does...but they usually pay more than the alternatives these 3rd world people have. But there is more to the story as well.

[IMG]http://www.feministezine.com/feminist/modern/images/Nike-Sweatshop-04.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DatZNasty]And Sheed never played in regular Air Force 1s. Nike made his special with a zoom air insole and then when they released the Sheed AF1s had his jumpshot logo on them and the same doublestacked zoom insoles. That's cool he's an old school guy and can hoop in them though. I turned my ankle shooting around in some lowtops, no lie. Boxy ass midsoles

[IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL1152/4610740/15643384/237649501.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Well outside of an insole its still the same shoe. hard to believe that accounts for the 115$ difference

ive owned af's for years. still have 2 or 3 pairs but they get ugly very quick. the leather usually isnt really good (cracks) and they feel like Dutch Wooden Shoes.

I've always been a flight fan tho'. love my solo flights and mach flights. can ball on them tho'.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Its sad what Nike does...but they usually pay more than the alternatives these 3rd world people have. But there is more to the story as well.

[IMG]http://www.feministezine.com/feminist/modern/images/Nike-Sweatshop-04.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] yeah i did a search just now on nike advertising budget (1.7 billion) and came up with alot of sites about that subject... it's really sad..

[QUOTE=Younggrease]HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK LEBRONS SHOES COST TO MAKE???? Go to school and take a couple econ or even polical economy classes. Or just read an article.[/QUOTE]
20 bucks

I am not trying to say that Nikes are worth the $150 dollar price or anything like that...I am just trying to prove that they are better than the Starburys

[QUOTE=loot]You can't buy them here in Europe. I'm currently looking to buy 2 or 3 pais at ebay. Just the regular ones. White, Black and maybe the white/baby blue ones. Great stuff, you can buy 3 pairs of shoes and spend only 60 bucks. Not sure if I'll use them to play ball. They look good enough to wear casually too.[/QUOTE]
Don't buy them off eBay. What size do u wear? Paypal me and I'll scoop u up some this weekend and send them to you, make a private ebay auction and we can both get a feedback out of it. *******s on eBay selling the stuff for 4x the price are totally defeating the whole purpose.

The Cyclones, the New Balance lookalike ones, are cool as hell but stay sold out in a 13 or else I'd swoop them up in a second. I did get the boots though

[QUOTE=-idiottime-]20 bucks[/QUOTE]
Where did you get this number from? Are you just reading the lucky numbers from a fortune cookie, and posting them as prices on ISH. Give me a source for this -idiottime-.

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt][SIZE="7"]WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP USING BIG FONT @$$HOLE?[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]You're precious Nikes are made FOR LESS THAN $15! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON? NIKE JUST PUTS HIGH PRICES ON THEY'RE SHOES BECAUSE RETARDED PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK "HIGH PRICE = GOOD QUALITY!"[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I never said that....ever

I just said that I am sure the Nike Lebron's are higher quality than the Starburys...that is all

and the real question here still should be "did Lebron make that comment with a straight face or not"...

[QUOTE=-primetime-][B][SIZE="6"]THEY ARE $15 FU-CKING DOLLARS...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED[/SIZE][/B]

if you think that Marbury somehow was able to create the ferrari of all basketball shoes for that price then you have your head shoved up your ass...

show me a good review of those shoes...how about that?[/QUOTE]

Nike shoes cost about $5 bucks to make........and a couple of bucks in labor cost. The freaking sales tax you pay on the shoe alone comes out to 2x more than the shoe cost to make and is more than the people that make the shoe get paid in a week

[URL="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/nike/nike101-4.htm"]http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/nike/nike101-4.htm[/URL]

[URL="http://www.irregulartimes.com/nike.html"]http://www.irregulartimes.com/nike.html[/URL]

and LeBron has the gall to say Nike holds themselves to a "higher standard"..........please.

People that wear Nikes are getting take to the bank.

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt]Where did you get this number from? Are you just reading the lucky numbers from a fortune cookie, and posting them as prices on ISH. Give me a source for this -idiottime-.[/QUOTE]

from the guy who posted about the creation process of Nike shoes earlier in this thread...I will take his word for it...

it allso costs millions to make the molds as well as the design process of the shoe...there is more to the cost than the slave labor...

[QUOTE=TMac&Luther]Nike shoes cost about a $1.25 to make........thats incuding LABOR cost. The freaking sales tax you pay on the shoe alone comes out to 10x more than the shoe cost to make and is more than the people that make the shoe get paid in a week

[URL="http://www.irregulartimes.com/nike.html"]http://www.irregulartimes.com/nike.html[/URL]

People that wear Nikes are getting take to the bank.[/QUOTE]

that "is" the labor cost...

[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Don't buy them off eBay. What size do u wear? Paypal me and I'll scoop u up some this weekend and send them to you, make a private ebay auction and we can both get a feedback out of it. *******s on eBay selling the stuff for 4x the price are totally defeating the whole purpose.

The Cyclones, the New Balance lookalike ones, are cool as hell but stay sold out in a 13 or else I'd swoop them up in a second. I did get the boots though[/QUOTE]

Would be great I'll get back at you asap, I wear 10.5. I'll pm you tomorrow (size, model etc)

Thanks!

[QUOTE=-primetime-]from the guy who posted about the creation process of Nike shoes earlier in this thread...I will take his word for it...

it allso costs millions to make the molds as well as the design process of the shoe...there is more to the cost than the slave labor...[/QUOTE]
Thats you're problem. You're just taking Nike's word for it, that they are better. I don't give a **** how much a mold cost. They make that back 5x in one month. I you show me proof that the Nike's are any better than the STarbury's, then I will believe you.

[QUOTE=-primetime-]that "is" the labor cost...[/QUOTE]

I know its the labor cost.

what country do u live in too? A shoebox wears about 3lbs when u think about shipping too

[QUOTE=KINGofTHEcourt]Thats you're problem. You're just taking Nike's word for it, that they are better. I don't give a **** how much a mold cost. They make that back 5x in one month. I you show me proof that the Nike's are any better than the STarbury's, then I will believe you.[/QUOTE]

that is like me asking you to prove that ferrari makes a faster car than mazda...can you prove it?....all the reviews say that ferrari's are faster....am I dumb for assumiong they are correct?

I never said Nike's are worth the $150 price tag....I know that they are over-priced....but I am going to assume from the price and reviews that they are better quality than the Starburys...I guess I am a fool for that?

what's funny is that you know deep down that the Nike's are better quailty...you just can't bring yourself to say it...if you had to bet your life on which shoe gives you more support, has more padding, and lasts longer you would pick the Lebron's...don't tell me otherwise

[QUOTE=TMac&Luther]I know its the labor cost.[/QUOTE]

ok well they don't really costs $1.25 to make....that is just the cost of labor

you have to add in the cost of design (millions)
materials
shipping
ect.

I am sure it ends up to be close to $20

[QUOTE=-primetime-]that is like me asking you to prove that ferrari makes a faster car than mazda...can you prove it?....all the reviews say that ferrari's are faster....am I dumb for assumiong they are correct?

I never said Nike's are worth the $150 price tag....I know that they are over-priced....but I am going to assume from the price and reviews that they are better quality than the Starburys...I guess I am a fool for that?

what's funny is that you know deep down that the Nike's are better quailty...you just can't bring yourself to say it...if you had to bet your life on which shoe gives you more support, has more padding, and lasts longer you would pick the Lebron's...don't tell me otherwise[/QUOTE]
You say "all the reviews" when you posted one link dumbass. I bet I could find tons of links saying that Nike makes crap shoes too.

And stop using cars as a comparison. The price and publicity comparision doesn't work on other things. I'll use gum as an example. You could buy Stride for $1.50 or SHopRite gum for $.75. In the end, its ****ing gum. Same thing here, in the end, they're still shoes. I'd like scientific proof that Nike is any better than Starbury, not some clown with an internet connection and a blog that you found on google.

[QUOTE=-primetime-]ok well they don't really costs $1.25 to make....that is just the cost of labor

you have to add in the cost of design (millions)
materials
shipping
ect.

I am sure it ends up to be close to $20[/QUOTE]
No, the materials are below $5, the shipping is low since they are transported in large bulk amounts. ANd what is "etc"? Couldn't think of anything else, so you just put "etc"? It all comes out to less than $10.