How many free passes to the finals are Lebron's teams going to get?

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Pau and Bynum COMBINED 2009 PLAYOFFS = 24ppg [B]14rpg[/B] 2.5 apg, [B]3bpg[/B], 1spg

Kobe Bryant 2009 playoffs = [B]30ppg[/B] 6rpg [B]5apg[/B] 1bpg[B] 2 spg[/B]


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[QUOTE=tpols]I've never denied magic had it easy on his way to the finals.. it's a fact just like lebron has. But magic has had a signifigantly better record [B]against the tougher conference opponents in the playoffs[/B] than James has. LeBron even has a losing record against the West in the playoffs after joining prime Wade and bosh so team strength is no excuse[/QUOTE]

2011 "conference" playoff opponents records.
1st round 41-41 76'ers
2nd round 56-26 Boston
ECF 62-20 Bulls.

159W - 87L

w/o looking it up, I'd guess it's safe to say Magic's 80's Lakers didn't face 3 teams with a better combined record or even one team that didn't have a losing record on their way to the finals.

Can't use 2012 numbers due to lockout, but Miami were the underdogs against OKC in that Finals.

Already did 2013

2014 playoff opponents
1st round 43-39 Charlotte
2nd round 44-38 Nets
ECF (on road) 56-26 Pacers

143W - 103L

Not sure how you can say LA faced tougher conference opponents.


[QUOTE=tpols]huge myth that Cleveland bigs were mediocre.. they were a top rebounding and defensive frontcourt.. they took 08 boston to 7 games despite lebron shooting like 35% and playing awful. And especially in the late 2000s they were always top ranked in rebounding and defense. And it clearly wasn't lebron boosting that ranking since Miami was one of the worst rebounding teams in the league even after lebron joined them. it wasn't some great supporting cast but it was passable.. and the Cavs were favored in especially the 2010 series they lost..[/QUOTE]

LeBron never got front court scoring like other greats before him. In 2008 against Boston, Big Z and Ben Wallace (who played PF) were both starters for Cleveland. The D might have been good, but still need some offensive output considering your other starters were Wally and Delonte. Wallace avg. just under 24mins a game and put up 3pts 6 boards and less than 1 block. You yourself even said he was over the hill the year before with Detroit.

[QUOTE=tpols]And prime magic may not have done any better with Cleveland than lebron did but he sure as hell would've done better with wade and bosh.. they would've three peated with ease with showtime running the show.[/QUOTE]

With ease in 2010?
Magic
Wade
Haslem, Jawan Howard?
Bosh
Joel Anthony


[QUOTE=tpols]To your last point about game 7 Shane batter stepped up and hit like 7/7 threes.. everytime the guy shot he broke the Spurs back. And it can be easily argued that magic wouldn't have reduced bosh role like lebron did that year as he's one of the greatest facilitators of all time and knows how to orchestrate a free flowing offense that doesn't consist of holding the ball for long periods of time and being indecisive.

He also knew his teammates strengths in and out and would work within their games.. Where as players often have to do the reverse with lebron and fit [I]his[/I] style.[/QUOTE]
Sure, Battier stepped up but in game 7 of that Finals but you don't go into it hoping a "defensive" role player picks up the slack of 2 struggling starters and your main "offensive" bench player threat who didn't register a point between the 3.

Plus Magic didn't really run an offense that involved the 3pt shot. Magic did hold the ball a lot when backing down in the low post. That's where his offense was, considering he had no outside shot. He would have been called for "back to the basket" rule a lot in today's game until he learned to adjust.

Good talks, brah :cheers:

this shit is stupid

there are no free passes to the NBA finals

if a team gets there, they earned it.

a real free pass is a bye.

[QUOTE=Jlamb47]Your so stupid it makes 0 sense...... [B]Lebron had a stacked squad in all his chips and hes still 2/5[/B]

Kobe would get to the Finals in the East with no doubt in my mind. He did it against better competition.

He also wouldnt go from averaging 30 PPG to 17 PPG on 36FG% and choke like Lebron did against Dallas. Kobe destroys dallas

your just a hater who dont give credit to players that are comparable to Lebron[/QUOTE]

First time I've ever heard the '07 Cavs referred to as "stacked". How are the stacked Heat doing this year?

[QUOTE=tpols].........[/QUOTE]
How stupid are you, dude? You're beyond delusional if you honestly believe that the '07 Lakers are beating the '07 Spurs. Get your head out of your ass.

You can call the Celtics old, but they won 56 games and were the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA.

Also, Wade got hurt in the RS, shit for brains. He was hurt, but he did play in the Playoffs in '07. Was good enough to put up 21/4/6 with a washed up Shaq and bad role-players. He would've played in the PO's again in '08 if they actually made it.

You can't address my points aj.. everything you say.. there is no reason for. No explanation or rationale. Just
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LOL dude what are you an idiot!? Team x would destroy team y! I don't have any reasons for what I say and have an autistic tendency to lash out at everybody but.. damn you're an idiot for not agreeing with my completely unsupported opinions![/I]

I never said the Lakers would beat the spurs.. I said they [I]could[/I]. Do you understand the difference? It would all depend on if kobe decided to go 2001 mode on them and open the series with a bang. You were still sucking on your mother's saggy tEets when that happened so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Lebron23 really sent me a PM of his junk

Mods??:biggums:

As many as weak bodies are willing to give him

[QUOTE=tpols]You can't address my points aj.. everything you say.. there is no reason for. No explanation or rationale. Just
[I]
LOL dude what are you an idiot!? Team x would destroy team y! I don't have any reasons for what I say and have an autistic tendency to lash out at everybody but.. damn you're an idiot for not agreeing with my completely unsupported opinions![/I]

I never said the Lakers would beat the spurs.. I said they [I]could[/I]. Do you understand the difference? It would all depend on if kobe decided to go 2001 mode on them and open the series with a bang. You were still sucking on your mother's saggy tEets when that happened so I wouldn't expect you to understand.[/QUOTE]
It's obvious that you actually don't watch basketball. You're a box-score ***. No version of Kobe with the '07 Lakers is beating the '07 Spurs. You have to a delusional retard to actually believe that.

Yeah, LeBron = can't win in the West.
Kobe = wins a ring every year in the East (the conference he historically struggles against).

Do you know how idiotic that is. As another poster pointed out, you think LeBron is going to have the same teams as he does in the East.

You literally ignored all my points about Wade playing in the Playoffs, even though he got hurt during the RS, the Celtics winning 56 and being the #2 defense, the Bulls being the best defensive team in the league, Kobe getting carried by 2 HOF bigs, etc.. You're the one who's actually deflecting and ignoring all my points, going around in circles.

tpols: Ancient Celtics.
Me: They won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..
Me: They still won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..

Also, you're the same dude who props up the garbage ass no defense 50 win teams that Kobe beat in the Playoffs. The Nuggets? Suns? Jazz? '10 Thunder? :roll:

BTW, I'm pretty sure that I'm older than you.

well if wilt and robertson until now are still excused then i see lebron too. Thats what great about being a statpadder. Lots of idiots would defend them to death.

[QUOTE=christian1923]36-21
Great bigs
Jimmy butler
Rose
Great bench
Thibs.

They had the recipe.[/QUOTE]
dont forget tony snell

[QUOTE=knicksman]well if wilt and robertson until now are still excused then i see lebron too. Thats what great about being a statpadder. Lots of idiots would defend them to death.[/QUOTE]

Melo is classic definition of stat padder while lebron is a winner..

[QUOTE=I<3NBA]this shit is stupid

there are no free passes to the NBA finals

if a team gets there, they earned it.

a real free pass is a bye.[/QUOTE]

They mean that the road to the Finals is easy.

People love to mention lebrons 2011 finals, like Kobe didn't lay an egg in 2004 after he surpassed shaq as the best player on the team. The pistons held him to 38 percent shooting as they humped him in 5 games :roll: how many hof'ers were on the Lakers that year? :roll:

Also, if Kobe stayed in charlotte he would have 0 rings most likely.

It is rather ridiculous at this point. What's even worse is that LeBron is only 2-3 with all the free Finals appearances he's been gifted. And he got embarrassed by the Spurs twice and had one of the all time worst Finals ever by a "superstar" against the Mavs.

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[QUOTE=iggy>]People love to mention lebrons 2011 finals, like Kobe didn't lay an egg in 2004 after he surpassed shaq as the best player on the team. The pistons held him to 38 percent shooting as they humped him in 5 games :roll: how many hof'ers were on the Lakers that year? :roll:

Also, if Kobe stayed in charlotte he would have 0 rings most likely.[/QUOTE]

Bad troll is bad. Karl Malone was like 40 and hurt. Gary Payton was old and a roleplayer at this point in his career. Shaq was very clearly unhappy and ready to bolt and was exiting his prime.

:kobe:

[QUOTE=Optimus Prime]Bad troll is bad. Karl Malone was like 40 and hurt. Gary Payton was old and a roleplayer at this point in his career. Shaq was very clearly unhappy and ready to bolt and was exiting his prime.

:kobe:[/QUOTE]
Sounds like excuses to me. Gary Payton helped the heat win a title 2 years later.

Since when is a 2/5 player worthy of his own thread regardless of how weak the east is now without rose?:lol

Seriously, take a step back and just let that sink in.

[QUOTE=christian1923]Lebron23 really sent me a PM of his junk

Mods??:biggums:[/QUOTE]

it's ok, the picture size is smaller than the avatars, not too much traffic.

[QUOTE=aj1987]It's obvious that you actually don't watch basketball. You're a box-score ***. No version of Kobe with the '07 Lakers is beating the '07 Spurs. You have to a delusional retard to actually believe that.

Yeah, LeBron = can't win in the West.
Kobe = wins a ring every year in the East (the conference he historically struggles against).

Do you know how idiotic that is. As another poster pointed out, you think LeBron is going to have the same teams as he does in the East.

You literally ignored all my points about Wade playing in the Playoffs, even though he got hurt during the RS, the Celtics winning 56 and being the #2 defense, the Bulls being the best defensive team in the league, Kobe getting carried by 2 HOF bigs, etc.. You're the one who's actually deflecting and ignoring all my points, going around in circles.

tpols: Ancient Celtics.
Me: They won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..
Me: They still won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..

Also, you're the same dude who props up the garbage ass no defense 50 win teams that Kobe beat in the Playoffs. The Nuggets? Suns? Jazz? '10 Thunder? :roll:

BTW, I'm pretty sure that I'm older than you.[/QUOTE]

you are arguing with either a troll or a demented man.

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]Since when is a 2/5 player worthy of his own thread regardless of how weak the east is now without rose?:lol

Seriously, take a step back and just let that sink in.[/QUOTE]

So by this genius logic, how many players in NBA history can we make threads about, 10 tops? Unless you think Horry, Fisher, or Kerr deserve threads for their sterling Finals records as well