Barnes is a dog so he probs deserves it.
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Barnes is a dog so he probs deserves it.
Faux tough guy
[QUOTE=Young X]You're right, but I doubt they make any further improvements. Doc Rivers is an idiot GM, and I really don't see how this trade helps them. Could be wrong though.[/QUOTE]
I feel it's a pretty low risk high reward situation. He is basically a expiring deal and they unloaded Hawes contract who wasn't even playing at the end of the year. He is a playmaker who plays D and can help out the bench. They still have needs but clearly the makeup of the team last year was not going to cut it.
I hear we are signing Paul Pierce outright or dealing Jamal Crawford for him.
That means:
DJ
Blake/Baby
Pierce/
Lance/JJ
CP/ Austin
Definitely need another backup big and another perimeter defender but I like where this is going
:oldlol: Charlotte what the hell is this? Taking on MORE future salary for him?
[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]:oldlol: Charlotte what the hell is this? Taking on MORE future salary for him?[/QUOTE]
I don't think this is the end of dealing for the Hornets. Barnes has a clause in his contract that allows the team to drop him before the season starts. I think the Hornets will do just that. Hawes will split time as backup 4 and 5 and I can see the hornets trading Bismack. The Hornets will draft a shooter (Booker) at 9.
Lance could be a very good fit for the Clippers. He didn't work out in Charlotte because his game is too similar to Kemba's. Both need the ball a lot to score. What the Hornets lacked is 3pt shooting and Lance certainly didn't provide that, shooting an abysmal 17% last season.
For all the people saying Lance is a locker room cancer, Rich Cho said that he handled himself very professionally throughout the adversity last season, if you believe him.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]
For all the people saying Lance is a locker room cancer, Rich Cho said that he handled himself very professionally throughout the adversity last season, if you believe him.[/QUOTE]
Well if the GM that is trying to trade him says so it must be true.
Barnes was the soul of the Clippers. He was the guy that defended the oppositions best wing. He was the guy that stood up for Blake when other teams got overly physical. He was the guy that never got the ball but always contributed somehow. I think his absence is going to leave a gaping hole in that team.
Good deal for both teams. Hawes is on a great contract and is a good match offensively for al Jefferson. Also fits Vonleh or zeller. Good 4 man rotation, and doesn't it save them enough to take another shot at a 1-3 guy in fa?
Clippers it allows them to trade Crawford or jj if they find the right deal for a second pg or a wing
[QUOTE=el gringos]Good deal for both teams. Hawes is on a great contract and is a good match offensively for al Jefferson. Also fits Vonleh or zeller. Good 4 man rotation, and doesn't it save them enough to take another shot at a 1-3 guy in fa?
Clippers it allows them to trade Crawford or jj if they find the right deal for a second pg or a wing[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dab0yech0]I hear we are signing Paul Pierce outright or dealing Jamal Crawford for him.
That means:
DJ
Blake/Baby
Pierce/
Lance/JJ
CP/ Austin
Definitely need another backup big and another perimeter defender but I like where this is going[/QUOTE]Has Pierce made a decision on whether to opt out yet? If he opts-in and Doc can straight up trade JJ for him, that's not a bad move b/c it leaves them with an exception to snag a backup big man.
Talent wise makes a ton of sense for the Clips, but I hope chemistry wise it kills them.
[QUOTE=QuebecBaller]I can imagine the phone call
Jordan: Hey Doc, would you like to have Stephenson on your team?
Doc: Well, not really...
Jordan: You sure? You don't have anything to offer for him?
Doc: Hawes and Barnes is the best I can give I guess...
Jordan: It's a deal. Bye
Doc: Wait! What? :mad:[/QUOTE]
Super underrated post. Especially because I can hear that in my head, and Jordan says "It'sadeal.Bye" so fast it's one word.
:roll:
[QUOTE=el gringos]Good deal for both teams. Hawes is on a great contract and is a good match offensively for al Jefferson. Also fits Vonleh or zeller. Good 4 man rotation, and doesn't it save them enough to take another shot at a 1-3 guy in fa?
Clippers it allows them to trade Crawford or jj if they find the right deal for a second pg or a wing[/QUOTE]
JJ had the best season of his career this year. He is infinitely better than Crawford. I love him but Crawford is a negative in the playoffs. On D, he is a joke and the structured game of the playoffs doesn't suit him. Anytime he steps on the floor, we are in the negative. He should still have some value as a great scorer off the bench for someone. Hopefully, Doc can turn him into a good big or a good wing player. That would really help our roster.
how soon until hes blowing into docs ear
The Hornets are honestly probably a bottom 2-3 franchise in the league right now. No stars, best young talent is a defensive specialist with a broken jumper, small market, and a GM making mind boggling moves.
Nets are probably in worse shape, but if Charlotte lets Biyombo walk and actually decides to give big minutes to Hawes while shooting for the 8 seed, (and inevitably falling short and winding up in the 10 seed again) then from a fan's perspective things look pretty hopeless. Bad coach, bad GM, no talent, and stuck on the 8-10 seed treadmill.
[QUOTE=QuebecBaller]I can imagine the phone call
Jordan: Hey Doc, would you like to have Stephenson on your team?
Doc: Well, not really...
Jordan: You sure? You don't have anything to offer for him?
Doc: Hawes and Barnes is the best I can give I guess...
Jordan: It's a deal. Bye
Doc: Wait! What? :mad:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]JJ had the best season of his career this year. He is infinitely better than Crawford. I love him but Crawford is a negative in the playoffs. On D, he is a joke and the structured game of the playoffs doesn't suit him. Anytime he steps on the floor, we are in the negative. He should still have some value as a great scorer off the bench for someone. Hopefully, Doc can turn him into a good big or a good wing player. That would really help our roster.[/QUOTE]
You need Crawford though for the marathon regular season. Clips need to have the homecourt advantage throughout the playoff to give themselves a better chance and that's what Crawford brings on the regular season.
The trade was a high risk but it's worth to take it. Clips choked and can't get through second round so they definitely need some tweaking. Barnes is a step slower and Hawes was out of the rotation. They also have that team option on Lance so Lance has no other choice but to behave and perform. Maybe a chance of scenery will do him good.
[QUOTE=Rooster]You need Crawford though for the marathon regular season. Clips need to have the homecourt advantage throughout the playoff to give themselves a better chance and that's what Crawford brings on the regular season.
The trade was a high risk but it's worth to take it. Clips choked and can't get through second round so they definitely need some tweaking. Barnes is a step slower and Hawes was out of the rotation. They also have that team option on Lance so Lance has no other choice but to behave and perform. Maybe a chance of scenery will do him good.[/QUOTE]
I love Crawford but we don't need him. He is one of the guys that makes our offense look so good in the regular season but his play drops off considerably in the playoffs and that's what it's all about. I would rather take a less explosive guy who will be more solid in the playoffs over him.
Good calculated risk by Clippers but bad trade for Hornets who should of got more in return.
[QUOTE=Cold soul]Good calculated risk by Clippers but bad trade for Hornets who should of got more in return.[/QUOTE]
Like what? The Hornets have been trying to trade him since up until the deadline last season.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Like what? The Hornets have been trying to trade him since up until the deadline last season.[/QUOTE]
A draft pick? Hornets are a young team but desperately need ton of talent.
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]I love Crawford but we don't need him. He is one of the guys that makes our offense look so good in the regular season but his play drops off considerably in the playoffs and that's what it's all about. I would rather take a less explosive guy who will be more solid in the playoffs over him.[/QUOTE]
To Crawfords defense, he was playing out of his mind up until he injured his calf. He returned only a little bit before the playoffs. I doubt he was 100%. He didn't appear to have the movement he had before he went down. I think at his price, you can't do much better. Even if he is a red season player, you need those wins in a loaded west.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Like what? The Hornets have been trying to trade him since up until the deadline last season.[/QUOTE]
Goes to show you how badly they wanted him out. But I do think they could have gotten at least a 2nd round pick but I could be wrong. I guess his value was that low if they we're willing to take a big who had a terrible season.