#1 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops - 2015 Edition

lebron james.

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Bro, Hollinger, Abbot, Habberstrough, Amin etc.

That tight little crew over at ESPN True Hoop are all infamous Kobe haters and they've spearheaded the stat geek era.

Ya ni99as is cupcakes for putting so much stock into that shit. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Yup, they all created formulas that downplay Kobe and only Kobe. It's all part of a nefarious agenda!

I'll add that if advanced stats showed Kobe in a positive light, you'd eat that shit up.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]:roll:

Yup, they all created formulas that downplay Kobe and only Kobe. It's all part of a nefarious agenda!

I'll add that if advanced stats showed Kobe in a positive light, you'd eat that shit up.[/QUOTE]


ofcourse. its really the lesser of 2 evils


what do we hear guys like mike/kobe/shaq/magic and other legends talk about?

rings/ finals records


shaq - "we got 3 outa 4. cant beat that"

kobe - "i let 2 get away. but i got 1 more than shaq"

mike - ( nba 2k commercial - pointing at his 6 rings )

magic - "whos better between kobe and lebron? kobe 5 championships. lebron.... zero" ( this was during 2012 )



when do you ever hear legends say "ya he got more rings. but his per rating was 1.2 % points lower and his ELO# +/- share margin was 1 point higher and statistically speaking... aehem... ( pushes glasses up ) i'd have to say my calculations show that a = f - 5 devided by 4 means player a is a lesser efficient and thus worse player overall"

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^ Or... you can just look at


MVPs + FMVPs





much simpler than the 2 methods you explained

[QUOTE=dubeta]^ Or... you can just look at


MVPs + FMVPs





much simpler than the 2 methods you explained[/QUOTE]


when do you ever hear players bragging about that stuff though



magic johnson didnt even know how many mvps he won

real players dont care about anything but winning titles


and theyre smart enough to know the difference between an horry title and a star ring



shaq mostly wears the ring he won when he didnt win finals mvp

he always has his heat ring on.



its obvious players recognize that it takes 2 guys to win a title and only one guy can win mvp


shaq also reminds people regularly that nash stole his 2005 mvp

and people in and around the league more often than not admit kobe got robbed in 2006

mistakes are made picking mvp

the championship however isnt voted on.



if the experts finals pick won the title every year. thered be 10 different champions over the last 15 years


i'm sorry little 10 year old dubey brother... youre a moron and incapable of understanding these facts


because your agenda is driven toward whatever makes lebron look good

and its just not the general method people use in which to rank players

If its only about titles, why do most of Jordan's peers, past and present, consider him the GOAT and not Bill Russell?

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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]If its only about titles, why do most of Jordan's peers, past and present, consider him the GOAT and not Bill Russell?

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

because more than half of russell's rings came in an era where all you had to do was in 8 games and you were champion. And he played on a team stacked with hall of famers during a time where the talent around the rest of the league was at an all time low

[QUOTE=DaOldLion]because more than half of russell's rings came in an era where all you had to do was in 8 games and you were champion. And he played on a team stacked with hall of famers during a time where the talent around the rest of the league was at an all time low[/QUOTE]

I agree with some of that, but nobody in that circle really talks about it, publicly at least. Barkley has Oscar Robertson in his Top 5. Kenny has Kareem as 2nd GOAT after Wilt. Hell, Webber had Russell as GOAT last I checked...

Point being? Titles aren't the end all be all. Lists often vary depending on who you ask... even with ex/current players.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]If its only about titles, why do most of Jordan's peers, past and present, consider him the GOAT and not Bill Russell?

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


because 60s titles are worth half

and russell had the deck stacked in his favor... hes still a top 3 player though

plus jordan has the undefeated finals record



if a star player got 11 rings in the new era with only 1 other great teammates at a time... he'd probly be run away goat

Ring counting is stupid Kenneth.

What if KG doesn't get injured in 2009 and Perkins stays healthy in 2010?
Kobe doesn't win either of those titles.

That doesn't make him a lesser player during those years nor does it reduce his actual oncourt value for his career.

But according to you he would drop many spots and be well outside the Top 10 without them.
So where is the logic in that?

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[QUOTE=ShaqTwizzle][SIZE="5"]Ring counting is stupid Kenneth.[/SIZE]

What if KG doesn't get injured in 2009 and Perkins stays healthy in 2010?
Kobe doesn't win either of those titles.

That doesn't make him a lesser player during those years nor does it reduce his actual oncourt value for his career.

But according to you he would drop many spots and be well outside the Top 10 without them.
So where is the logic in that?

:kobe:[/QUOTE]


only to geeks that never played ball


if you were in a room with larry, magic, jordan, kobe, shaq etc... you'd understand what the big boys measure themselves by



guys play to win... guys dont play to get advanced metrics


you can only do what you can control. and thats winning/losing. nothing else.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]only to geeks that never played ball

if you were in a room with larry, magic, jordan, kobe, shaq etc... you'd understand what the big boys measure themselves by
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You still didn't really address my argument though Kenneth.

What if KG didn't get injured in 2009 and hypothetically that prevented Kobe from winning his last 2 titles.
Would that have Kobe a less valuable player individually in those two years?

If you say no (which is the only correct answer) then why should this new hypothetical Kobe with only 3 Rings be ranked any lower career wise then the real Kobe with his 5?

[B]Kenneth :[/B] uhh... cuz luck or good circumstances are part of greatness?
Not how it works.
I can go out tomorrow and win the lottery but that doesn't make me better at making or managing money then you are.
Just means I am a lucky ****.

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[QUOTE=ShaqTwizzle]You still didn't really address my argument though Kenneth.

[SIZE="6"]What if KG didn't get injured in 2009 and hypothetically that prevented Kobe from winning his last 2 titles.
Would that have Kobe a less valuable player individually in those two years?[/SIZE]

If you say no (which is the only correct answer) then why should this new hypothetical Kobe with only 3 Rings be ranked any lower career wise then the real Kobe with his 5?

[B]Kenneth :[/B] uhh... cuz luck or good circumstances are part of greatness?
Not how it works.
I can go out tomorrow and win the lottery but that doesn't make me better at making or managing money then you are.
Just means I am a lucky ****.[/QUOTE]


a) injuries are part of the game. they happen to nearly everyone. it all balances out in the end... kobe got ****ed over by injuries in 03, 04

b) i say kobe still wins in 2009 and 2010.

garnett averaged 18ppg on 42% fg's in the 2008 finals
garnett averaged 15ppg on 51% fg's in the 2010 finals

c) if kobe didnt win the titles in 2009 and 2010. he would be 3 for 7 in nba finals... and would have absolutely flopped without shaq

if anything. i think kobe loses spots on his all time ranking from 2008


3 rings and 1 mvp, 0 fmvps, all with shaq, 0-3 without shaq

f*ck thats nasty

yuck...

he'd be lucky to be top 15




i dont care if kobe had 4 mvps. that finals record and especially without shaq would totally ruin his legacy