How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14173710]Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.[/QUOTE]
Kewl.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13543202]No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.[/QUOTE]

Nonone thought they'd lose to.philly. we owned the cars in the regular season that year too. Dwight ate up big z and vereflop

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14173726]How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?[/QUOTE]

Dwight never lost that lead to Lebron even without HCA while Lebron had HCA in that series.

Dwight lost to Joe Johnson in the playoffs while having HCA but yet beat Lebron without it.:facepalm

:oldlol: at choked finals away to air conditioner in 2014

very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare;13543194]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]

Lakers would have lost if the Magic hadnt converted simple basketball plays:

Lee layup, Howard FT or Nelson backing off of Fisher

[QUOTE=red1;14244878]very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.[/QUOTE]


1) how can lebron win with pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to average 10-20 more in the Finals, while Lebron only won with an equal-scoring teammate (16' 20', 11') or averaged only 5 more (12', 13')?

2) How could lebron win with Pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to shoot high volume and lebron can't do that efficiently?

3) How can lebron win with a weak-shooting ball-handler like Pippen, when he destroyed other ball-handlers like Hughes, Ingram, IT, and Rose?

4) Everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least one of the Finals - but Pippen was 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 with pippen

5) Everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate for half their rings (1b)...... except MJ, who won with a true 2nd option that always averaged far less... This matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention.. so only MJ faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, therefore giving him maximum ring quality and stat quality

That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.

:facepalm:

[QUOTE=light;14245009]That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.[/QUOTE]

No not to Dwight Howard. He also had a 4x DPOY in Ben Wallace on the squad. Can't lose to a career loser in Dwight Howard.

Dwight's #2 was Rashard Lewis who was the 6th option on the 2013 and 2014 Heat.

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[SIZE=4]MJ nearly won title with 90' Pippen, whereas Lebron was destroyed with guys > 90' Pippen[/SIZE]


[SIZE=3]Lost as favorite to 1-star team with:[/SIZE]

[B]09' Mo Will[/b]...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP
[B]90' Pippen[/B]........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


[SIZE=3]Swept 4-0 to Spurs with:[/SIZE]

[B]05' L Hughes[/b].... 21.6 PER.. 0.157 WS/48.. 4.3 BPM.. 3.7 VORP.. 1st team all-def
[B]90' Pippen[/B]........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


[SIZE=3]Lottery with:[/SIZE]

[B]05' Zydrunas[/b].... 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. -0.2 BPM.. 1.2 VORP
[B]90' Pippen[/B]........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48... 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


[SIZE=3]Lottery with:[/SIZE]

[B]20' Ingram[/B]..'..... 18.8 PER.. 0.115 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 2.2 VORP
[B]90' Pippen[/B].....'.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM . 3.0 VORP


^^^ 20' Ingram was used instead of 19' Ingram because Lebron's presence clearly caused a 1-year crater of Ingram's PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48 in 2019.

Similarly, Lebron cratered Hughes in 06', so Hughes 05' stats were used (his true capability)


[B]CONCLUSION[/B]: title

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[B]09' Mo Will[/b]...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP
[B]89' Pippen[/B]........ 14.9 PER.. 0.4 BPM.. 0.080 WS/48.. 1.5 VORP


[QUOTE=light;14245009]

That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.


[/QUOTE]


[B]09' Cavs[/B]'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
[B]89' Bulls[/B]... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)


The Cavs also had Ron Harper (20/5/5)

Those Cavs were a better team than lebron ever beat in the East, and MJ beat them with shit from Pippen and a shit team defense..

Ultimately, Lebron shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th quarter against Orlando and lost 3 fourth quarter leads - this included getting destroyed by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT... Clutch and contested jumpshooting MATTERS.. it decides series

Dwight couldn't beat anyone else but Lebron.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14309438]Dwight couldn't beat anyone else but Lebron.[/QUOTE]

mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options :roll::roll:

That Orlando team was so ass lmaooo

thats what happens when you get outplayed on both ends and dont play defense in a series as a superstar

If KG was healthy that joke of a team dont make the finals. What the worse part is was their star guard Jameer Nelson was hurt and they had to call up Rafer Alston straight out of AND1 :oldlol::roll:

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14309440]mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options [/QUOTE]

Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14309451]Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:[/QUOTE]

dirk > terry cummings

next :oldlol:

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14309453]dirk > terry cummings

next :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Did someone say Terry?

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imagine having a screen name with three players and all their fmpv combined are less then the man you hate, le goat bran

:roll::roll:

we win again

:hammertime:

Imagine losing to Dwight Howard with HCA.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG;14309460]Did someone say Terry?

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/4d6Dk7M/lebronvsterry.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

Dude broke one of the LeBron Stan 10 commandments.... never mention the name Terry under any circumstances

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival;13543268]Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, when he had 63 vs the celtics , that was him only vs the mega celtics team. Still, he gave it all on the court and never Lequit.

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14309440]mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options :roll::roll:[/QUOTE]

Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14310890]:roll: :roll:

Dude broke one of the LeBron Stan 10 commandments.... never mention the name Terry under any circumstances[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Shooter;14310945]Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread[/QUOTE]


Hedo Turkuglu / Thread

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[QUOTE=DABIGSALSISHA;14310952]Hedo Turkuglu / Thread[/QUOTE]

No. Cummings was the #1 option.

MJ legit lost to Terry Cummings.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14310945]Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread[/QUOTE]

Lebron lost to Carlos Arroyo as the #1 option. Think about that.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13543188]How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?[/QUOTE]

If you were watching basketball around this time you would know why they lost...

Magic had very good spacing, and overall a better team than the Cavs... Turkoglu and Lewis were a nightmare for the Cavs. They didn't have any answers for their spacing and 3 point shooting. People forget that they upset the Celtics the round before too.

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Lol the sheer disrespect LeTurnovers peers have for him hahahahha

1-9

[QUOTE=Smoke117;14311022]1-9[/QUOTE]

Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14311033]Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14311014]Lol the sheer disrespect LeTurnovers peers have for him hahahahha[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Shooter;14310967]No. Cummings was the #1 option.

MJ legit lost to Terry Cummings.[/QUOTE]


Lebron vs Magic Game 6 Thread. Let's go?

Your KING playing some D or avoiding it like the plague ?

32s

1:05s

lebron scoreless in the 2nd quarter/ cavs down 19 at the half/

2:29s

Howards ENDS with 40pts /14reb

But I tought Lebron was a Forward and still he couldn't DOMINATE either TURKOGLU or LEWIS, THEY JUST KEPT MAKING SHOTS and magic won in devastating fashion.
Lebron did very little and came up short.

[video=youtube;kTNpGKsreHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNpGKsreHE[/video]

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14311033]Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.[/QUOTE]

ETHERED

:roll::roll::roll:

MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311219]MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.[/QUOTE]

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Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao

[QUOTE=DABIGSALSISHA;14311153]Lebron vs Magic Game 6 Thread. Let's go?

Your KING playing some D or avoiding it like the plague ?

32s

1:05s

lebron scoreless in the 2nd quarter/ cavs down 19 at the half/

2:29s

Howards ENDS with 40pts /14reb

But I tought Lebron was a Forward and still he couldn't DOMINATE either TURKOGLU or LEWIS, THEY JUST KEPT MAKING SHOTS and magic won in devastating fashion.
Lebron did very little and came up short.

[video=youtube;kTNpGKsreHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNpGKsreHE[/video][/QUOTE]

Great stuff!