How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a

[QUOTE=Gil Renard]Just going by what you said.

Kobe had the most stacked team in history and choked in the first round :lol[/QUOTE]

bron + bosh + wade < gasol :roll:

similar to how by today's league standard, looking at Shaq's stat sheet

every single one of his coaches would most likely received an F based on usage

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;13921961]similar to how by today's league standard, looking at Shaq's stat sheet

every single one of his coaches would most likely received an F based on usage[/QUOTE]

How do?

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13802053]How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.[/QUOTE]

because at that point, Howard was a career-winner.

This is even worse now. Lebron supposedly the best player in the league that year lost to a guy who isn't even considered top 74 all time with HCA.

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[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13996403]This is even worse now. Lebron supposedly the best player in the league that year lost to a guy who isn't even considered top 74 all time with HCA.[/QUOTE]

We actually figured out why lebron lost this series


1) he lost 3 fourth quarter leads Game 1, 2 and 4, including getting outplayed by dwight in critical gm 4 OT.. this is similar to 18' Finals, when he choked in Game 1 OT and lost another 4th quarter lead in game 3

2) lebron never beat a top 5 SRS without at least 20 ppg from sidekick, except once when his sidekick got 18 on crazy shooting 66% ts.. otoh, MJ won 5 series against top 5 SRS teams with 15-16 ppg from sidekick on bad efficiency

2) Stan preferred to "let him dribble" rather then double-team him.. this adjustment-less approach left the defense rested and more capacity for offense

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13996403]This is even worse now. Lebron supposedly the best player in the league that year lost to a guy who isn't even considered top 74 all time with HCA.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury and were forced to start an And-1 player at PG in Rafer Alston.

This plus HCA made the Cavaliers overwhelming favorites.

[ImG]https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;13996412]Not to mention the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury and were forced to start an And-1 player at PG in Rafer Alston.

This plus HCA made the Cavaliers overwhelming favorites.

[ImG]https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

WOW and this guy Lebron is compared to MJ the GOAT? Then 2011 happened and then he got his shit pushed by the Spurs and the Warriors LOL

[QUOTE=ZenMaster7210;13996423]WOW and this guy Lebron is compared to MJ the GOAT? Then 2011 happened and then he got his shit pushed by the Spurs and the Warriors LOL[/QUOTE]

^^^ Wow lebron's a loser, choker, disappointer..

And its funny because lebron's longevity argument goes up in smoke upon further analysis

Lebron averaged 20/6/5 on 41% as a rookie

That's not elite - sophomore/junior Jordan would've done better - jordan shouldn't get punished for playing college - his sophomore/junior seasons should count towards longevity because he had elite NBA capability at that time

So if we add jordan's soph/junior seasons plus the baseball year, plus 1999, that's 17 years of elite basketball capability just like bron.. so lebron doesn't even have longevity!!!! Jordan is goat by far but we already knew that

[QUOTE=3ball;13996558]^^^ Wow lebron's a loser, choker, disappointer..

And its funny because lebron's longevity argument goes up in smoke upon further analysis

Lebron averaged 20/6/5 on 41% as a rookie

That's not elite - sophomore/junior Jordan would've done better - [B]jordan shouldn't get punished for playing college - his sophomore/junior seasons should count towards longevity because he had elite NBA capability at that time[/B]

So if we add jordan's soph/junior seasons plus the baseball year, plus 1999, that's 17 years of elite basketball capability just like bron.. so lebron doesn't even have longevity!!!! Jordan is goat by far but we already knew that[/QUOTE]
Then why did he choke in those seasons by not even getting to the NCAA Championship game? Got beat by lower seeds each time. Never sniffed the title game

1983 bounced out of the elite 8
1984 bounced out of the sweet 16

You are right, longevity is not fair.

Let's just be FAIR and take their best 13 playoffs

Ready? Okay!

Points
LeBron 6911
Jordan 5987

OoooOooooOooopppppPsssssss

[QUOTE=warriorfan;13996412]Not to mention the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury and were forced to start an And-1 player at PG in Rafer Alston.

This plus HCA made the Cavaliers overwhelming favorites.

[ImG]https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

It's over....

[QUOTE=BigShotBob;13996575]It's over....[/QUOTE]

How many favored 2016 Warriors? Do them next!

[QUOTE=LeCroix;13996577]How many favored 2016 Warriors? Do them next![/QUOTE]

Did they lose to Dwight Howard and Raefer Alston?

[QUOTE=BigShotBob;13996579]Did they lose to Dwight Howard and Raefer Alston?[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;13996565]Then why did he choke in those seasons by not even getting to the NCAA Championship game? Got beat by lower seeds each time. Never sniffed the title game

1983 bounced out of the elite 8
1984 bounced out of the sweet 16[/QUOTE]

Ethered

[QUOTE=warriorfan;13996412]Not to mention the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury and were forced to start an And-1 player at PG in Rafer Alston.

This plus HCA made the Cavaliers overwhelming favorites.

[ImG]https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Lmao. Well damn. Issa wrap.

So lebron lost to an And-1 player and a career loser an Dwight?

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997206]Lmao. Well damn. Issa wrap.

So lebron lost to an And-1 player and a career loser an Dwight?[/QUOTE] Sure. Let's blame the guy who was the best player in that series putting up the highest GmSc of anyone in that series.

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13997211]Sure. Let's blame the guy who was the best player in that series putting up the highest GmSc of anyone in that series.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, man. How many other all time great have lost a series to a guy called Skip to my Lou? Lol.

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997221]I don't know, man. How many other all time great have lost a series to a guy called Skip to my Lou? Lol.[/QUOTE]

Listen I know that you are Gooner or NeutralObserver or whatever. You're a known troll everywhere you go (ISH, Realgm) obviously but I will entertain you. Dwight Howard was a 3X All-star, DPOY, 1st team all nba, All Def 1st, Rebounding champ, and Blocks champ. He was widely considered to be the best center in the NBA at the time. He was no joke. He was in his PRIME.

After that you probably point out LeBron's performance as a whole. Predictable trollling.

LeBron put up 38.5 points on 59% TS (better than playoff league average). He arguably did better than Kobe in the Finals which says alot.

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13997227]Listen I know that you are Gooner or NeutralObserver or whatever. You're a known troll everywhere you go (ISH, Realgm) obviously but I will entertain you. Dwight Howard was a 3X All-star, DPOY, 1st team all nba, All Def 1st, Rebounding champ, and Blocks champ. He was widely considered to be the best center in the NBA at the time. He was no joke. He was in his PRIME.[/QUOTE]

?? Wtf is wrong with some of you weirdos?

And yes. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard and an And-1 player. No need to throw a tantrum

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997236]?? Wtf is wrong with some of you weirdos?

And yes. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard and an And-1 player. No need to throw a tantrum[/QUOTE] Fine. If you troll incessantly and then I can too. Kobe put up role player number in this game in the 2004 Finals. The Lakers lost as massive favorites too. Damn shame.

[video=youtube;k7MSXZdqIpE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MSXZdqIpE[/video]

lebron is still great tho. There's no shame in losing to Dwight Howard and an And-1 player. Its funny. That's all. But its funnier when you guys stan try to rewrite history.

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997243]lebron is still great tho. There's no shame in losing to Dwight Howard and an And-1 player. Its funny. That's all. But its funnier when you guys stan try to rewrite history.[/QUOTE] Me? I never rewrite history. Shit, I dont even have LeBron as my goat. Hes #2 for me.

Also explain how the Lakers blew a 24 point lead at home in a middle of a FINALS game nonetheless.

[video=youtube;X1-50cf-ZJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1-50cf-ZJo[/video]

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13997239]Fine. If you troll incessantly and then I can too. Kobe put up role player number in this game in the 2004 Finals. The Lakers lost as massive favorites too. Damn shame.

[video=youtube;k7MSXZdqIpE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MSXZdqIpE[/video][/QUOTE]

Ahhh. Kobe on the brain. Tsk, tsk...Billups, Rip, Sheed, Ben Wallace...no shame in losing to a crew like that. Really defensively solid and played Kobe great. Cant win em all.

Whats weird is that you expect Kobe to win against a crew like that, but expectd Lebron to lose against the Magic. Lol.

There's a difference. But feel free to continue to go after a dead basketball player to ease the pain.

[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13997247]Me? I never rewrite history. Shit, I dont even have LeBron as my goat. Hes #2 for me.

Also explain how the Lakers blew a 24 point lead at home in a middle of a FINALS game nonetheless.

[video=youtube;X1-50cf-ZJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1-50cf-ZJo[/video][/QUOTE]

Lol @ creating a false equivalence between losing to the Celtics and losing to the Magic. Good thing Kobe was able to get passed both of them and won rings in the process.

34-24, you might get ban for trolling. The admins are cleaning the house right now.

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997249]Ahhh. Kobe on the brain. Tsk, tsk...Billups, Rip, Sheed, Ben Wallace...no shame in losing to a crew like that. Really defensively solid and played Kobe great. Cant win em all.

Whats weird is that you expect Kobe to win against a crew like that, but expectd Lebron to lose against the Magic. Lol.

There's a difference. But feel free to continue to go after a dead basketball player to ease the pain.[/QUOTE] What!?!?! I just protected Kobe Bryant in another thread against Karl Malone. Kobe Bryant is better than Karl Malone. Dont try to skew reality. You make it seem like I'm disrespecting him but Im not. I have nothing but respect for the Mamba.

[QUOTE]no shame in losing to a crew like that. Really defensively solid and played Kobe great. Cant win em all.[/QUOTE] Double standards. Why you dont fault Kobe for losing to an inferior team when you fault LeBron for losing to an inferior team too?

No shame in losing to Dwight Howard the best center in the league.

Nah. I dont troll. Theres no trolling involved. Skip to my Lou and Dwight Howard ruined our chances of a Kobe vs Lebron finals that was heavily marketed.

Kobe and the gang made quick work of them.

Lol. The Magic and the Celtics weren't the same back then. And comparing the 2004 Pistons to the 2009 Magic is weird too. But you can have that.

Losing to the Magic back then was terrible...and funny. But relax. But there's no shame. Why get upset?

[QUOTE=34-24 Footwork;13997256]Nah. I dont troll. Theres no trolling involved. Skip to my Lou and Dwight Howard ruined our chances of a Kobe vs Lebron finals that was heavily marketed.

Kobe and the gang made quick work of them.[/QUOTE] Notice Dwight Howard.

He put up 26 points on 65% FG in the 2009 ECF.


Then in the Finals he put up 15.4 points on 49% FG.

What happened to Dwight Howard inbetween?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;13996412]Not to mention the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury and were forced to start an And-1 player at PG in Rafer Alston.

This plus HCA made the Cavaliers overwhelming favorites.

[ImG]https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

They were missing Jameer Nelson, the Cavs were overwhelming favorites. Everybody was expecting that Finals showdown between Kobe and Lebron. The ratings were going to go through the roof. What a shame. I can't think of even one person, not one person picked Dwight Howard to win. I Can't believe it's been 11 years now.

I guess the only good thing about 2011 is that people forget, overlook 2009.

[QUOTE=jstern;13997264]They were missing Jameer Nelson, the Cavs were overwhelming favorites. Everybody was expecting that Finals showdown between Kobe and Lebron. The ratings were going to go through the roof. What a shame. I can't think of even one person, not one person picked Dwight Howard to win. I Can't believe it's been 11 years now.

I guess the only good thing about 2011 is that people forget, overlook 2009.[/QUOTE]

Not his fault he lost to the orlando magic. Mo williams is a garbage 2nd scoring option. Beside the fact the magic were hitting their 3 pointers in that series.

Forgot about this one......Didnt Cavs win like 66 games this year?? Still lost to a career loser Howard.......:lol

[QUOTE=dazzer87;13997272]Forgot about this one......Didnt Cavs win like 66 games this year?? Still lost to a career loser Howard.......:lol[/QUOTE]

Mo Williams

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13997273]Mo Williams[/QUOTE]

yeah its always someone’s else fault........:lol

[QUOTE=dazzer87;13997272]Forgot about this one......Didnt Cavs win like 66 games this year?? Still lost to a career loser Howard.......:lol[/QUOTE]

And thats the problem- pretending as if they were some lost underdog who shouldn't have been there is hilarious. 66 games. Sheesh.

[QUOTE=dazzer87;13997274]yeah its always someone’s else fault........:lol[/QUOTE]

Lol. Always.