I only now noticed the Clyde lifting argument. Clyde lifted weights. He was a hard worker far as maintaining his body. His hops came from working out not nature. He was like Steve Francis. A gym built athlete.
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I only now noticed the Clyde lifting argument. Clyde lifted weights. He was a hard worker far as maintaining his body. His hops came from working out not nature. He was like Steve Francis. A gym built athlete.
Here he is talking about it:
[QUOTE]"There was nothing natural about my jumping ability; it was 'natural' after I spent six hours a day working on it (laughs). I had so many exercises to improve the strength of my legs: sprinting, jump rope, squats, wearing ankle weights two or three days at a time and jumping rope with those ankle weights. I did all that for a 10-year period of time, and during that time I became a pretty good jumper." [/QUOTE]
I don’t think he was doing squats in his kitchen. He was a hard worker in the gym.
Jimmy Butler is not even better than Alvin Robertson let alone the Glide.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14389518]Here he is talking about it:
I don’t think he was doing squats in his kitchen. He was a hard worker in the gym.[/QUOTE]
Ya and Michael Jordan will tell you he got his height from hanging off of pull up bars. It's bullshit. More like Clyde went through puberty, noticed a significant increase in his vertical, and just happened to have started some kind of workout regimen at the same time.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14389517]I only now noticed the Clyde lifting argument. Clyde lifted weights. He was a hard worker far as maintaining his body. [B]His hops came from working out not nature[/B]. He was like Steve Francis. A gym built athlete.[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting that a player who has a 30 inch vertical can improve it to 40 inch if they put in the work? I hope not because vertical is mostly God given. Sure, you can make incremental improvements but like speed, it's mostly God given. Drexler was a athletic freak. You can't train what he was.
Can’t say. Just saying what he said. I’m certainly not gonna argue with Clyde about his own workouts and the results. Far as gym built athletic ability in general?
Dont know really. Read up on Herschel Walker and Steve Francis I’ll say.
last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler[/url]
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14146977]This has to be one of the worsr takes ever. I like jimmy but he's not as good as drexler. Butler is killing in an era where alot of guys are killing it. Fast pace, less physicality on defense and no down low rim protection.
This heat team is easily one of the worst finals teams ever. Just deal with it dude.[/QUOTE]
But they’re not all killing it. Your sense of what killing it means is just dumb and nonexistent.
In dumber words: 27 PPG is the new 20PPG. 62 TS% is the new 58 TS% and in a league where “everybody” puts up stats, that’s just means stats NEVER in NBA history perfectly measured actual game impact, and an offensive era where things are just too skillful and intelligent with all the spacing and shot selection is exposing this.
NBA fans have to stop being dumb and think they can look at PPG/RPG/APG and percentages and think they’re measuring players while ignoring styles, strengths, how they’re defended, their defense, their BBIQ.
Butler is actually very high level on strengths, BBIQ, styles effectiveness, defense and pretty much anything the box score can’t capture.
Butler’s a high level guy despite his weaknesses being perfectly exploited by Milwaukee with a clear injury on top of it.
[QUOTE=Jasper;14389618]last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler[/url][/QUOTE]
You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14391411]You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.[/QUOTE]
Imagine Butler and Olajuwon. More than 1 chip for sure.
[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14391446]Imagine Butler and Olajuwon. More than 1 chip for sure.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Butler gets to the line as much in the 90s NBA and he's not good enough as a mid-range scorer to be an effective 20+ ppg scorer in that era, nor was he ever as athletic as Clyde. He'd be a great defensive player.
[QUOTE=Jasper;14389618]last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler[/url][/QUOTE]
You didn't look very hard. Drexler made the NBA's Top 50 player list in 1997.
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:kobe:
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14391411]You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.[/QUOTE]
when 100 year anny occurs you think Butler will be on the list ??
If he never accomplishes anything he won't be on the list , even as a third option.
In this finals Bam was the guy, not Butler
Clyde is all ready there.
Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that
[QUOTE=Dbrog;14800372]Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that[/QUOTE]
yea, Drex gave you 17 every night. Amazing.
[QUOTE=Dbrog;14800372]Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that[/QUOTE]
Not really, look at his playoff averages in '90 & '91, in his prime. He wasn't exactly lighting it up for such a big name.
Jimmy Butler averaged more points in the playoffs than Drexler in '22 & '23 than any of Drexler's deep playoff runs.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14800424]Not really, look at his playoff averages in '90 & '91, in his prime. He wasn't exactly lighting it up for such a big name.
Jimmy Butler averaged more points in the playoffs than Drexler in '22 & '23 than any of Drexler's deep playoff runs.[/QUOTE]
you want SO BAD for ppl to think Butler is better than Clyde. cuz in your little brain, you equate that to Lebron being better than MJ.
even if Butler is better than Clyde (which he isn't), LeRoid is still MILES beneath MJ.
[QUOTE=nineiron;14800437]you want SO BAD for ppl to think Butler is better than Clyde. cuz in your little brain, you equate that to Lebron being better than MJ.
even if Butler is better than Clyde (which he isn't), LeRoid is still MILES beneath MJ.[/QUOTE]
I just stated facts and this is your response? You seem triggered bro.
[QUOTE=Dbrog;14800372]Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that[/QUOTE]
I see the ppg based evaluations are back
Lol no he is not.
Are you 14 years old?
87 Lakers made another thread about Jimmy and Clyde.
Make one about Jimmy and Reggie. That is a better comparison.
Not true
Yeah, that's definitely not a thing.
Not sure Jimmy has been an All-Star since the thread was made.
Clyde also isn't a headache to play with/for.
Jimmy is still better despite goldfish memory around casuals here.