So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures

[QUOTE=8Ball;14217939]China took stadiums and forcefully threw people into those stadiums and made them stay there for weeks. Literally abducting them from their homes because they were in "contact" with infected people.

What do you think would happen if Trump used the military to round up people, throw them in vans, and housed them in stadiums during March?[/QUOTE]

These crazy measures worked but people here refuse to believe it because they dont want it to happen here.

So instead we have a dying economy for a full year. China has been fully reopened for months already.

Oh but of course they are "lying".

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218011]Freedom? We don't even have the freedom to assemble 2 people for lunch at Brent's Deli here in California. Even "red states" like Texas and Florida are less free now than 2019 Commiefornia. :lol

Anyways, [url]https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192[/url], everyone knew back in February that the disease would not be stopped. The question is: what do you think the US should have done in April? And should the US have torn down their field hospitals and Navy ships sail away?[/QUOTE]

Even if the death rate is low, our govt will keep us locked down. Doesnt matter.

Dont give a fk about the spread? Feel free to go to parties. Oh wait we will get fined for that.

How is this better than what China did? I rather the govt lock us all at home for a month and then let us go on with our lives already.

[QUOTE=fsvr54;14218063]Hating on westerners is the epitome of idiocy.

It's a flu and the numbers a majorly doctored to promote further transfer of wealth to the elite class. Keep living in ignorant hate, chump.
IN fact society would be far healthier if we acquired herd immunity by everyone going out.[/QUOTE]

You telling us not to hate on our Western government yet you dont agree with what they are doing.

[QUOTE=fsvr54;14218063]Hating on westerners is the epitome of idiocy.

It's a flu and the numbers a majorly doctored to promote further transfer of wealth to the elite class. Keep living in ignorant hate, chump.
IN fact society would be far healthier if we acquired herd immunity by everyone going out.[/QUOTE]

Yes. My sister talked to a lady in her church who works at a hospital a few weeks ago. This lady said that the amount of patients that they are seeing right now are the same as any other year (for the flu).

Also, I agree with herd immunity. Check out Jon Rappoport. He believes that you don't need a vaccine for herd immunity:

[url]https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2014/11/13/vaccines-and-herd-immunity-nonsense/?fbclid=IwAR0_-6zKgqTSKUTBYzPgH_Eo8dvZCNQyZwfbB31CKwxMoRPt0Hn5KYBhdWM[/url]

[QUOTE=n00bie;14218129]These crazy measures worked but people here refuse to believe it because they dont want it to happen here.

So instead we have a dying economy for a full year. China has been fully reopened for months already.

Oh but of course they are "lying".[/QUOTE]

The crazy measures of magic scarecrows in Cambodia, packed clubs in Tokyo, not social distancing in 50 different countries all over Africa worked but you refuse to believe it because you don't want it to happen here

So instead we tried our best at imitating Wuhan, locked us down & added mask mandates, while Belarus has been fully reopened for months already.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14218132]Even if the death rate is low, our govt will keep us locked down. Doesnt matter.

Dont give a fk about the spread? Feel free to go to parties. Oh wait we will get fined for that.

How is this better than what China did? I rather the govt lock us all at home for a month and then let us go on with our lives already.[/QUOTE]

Just fyi China didn't do a national lockdown of 1.4 billion people for one month. They did a wild lockdown performance in Wuhan 3 months after the virus emerged and started spreading around the world.

I never said what we are doing here in the US is better than what China did. China did pseudoscience in a few spots for 1 month, then opened up. We've been doing pseudoscience for 10 months, and probably for many more months after.

I'd rather do what Belarus did, or whichever country had the least amount of restrictions in the name of Covid-19.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14213285]So for exactly 1 month we will shut down pharmacies, nursing homes, elderly care facilities, veterinarians, airplanes, airports, buses, dentists, hospitals, contact tracers, administrators, urgent care centers, doctor offices, cancer screenings, roads, everyone in the energy sector, fire dept, ambulances, plumbing, waste disposal, public transportation, dept of defense, police, CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, ATF, ICE, grocery stores, agriculture, suppliers, transporters, distributors, warehouses, IT, mfg of medical supplies, medical supply stores, banks, nuclear facilities, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, ... you serious Clark?

Oh, and how will you enforce stopping 330 million people from interacting with each other? Will there be drones outside of everyone's house making sure they don't visit their neighbor or heaven forbid help their grandma around the house? Remember, the contact tracers think roughly 75% of transmission occurs within homes.[/QUOTE]

I know you're from Canada, but I was asking what you think the US should have done since April.

So just to be clear here... with millions of infections already and the virus spreading like wildfire in the US, your "all of us at home for a month" lockdown includes 330 million people as described in my post above?

Oh, and how will you enforce stopping 330 million people from interacting with each other? Will there be drones outside of everyone's house making sure they don't visit their neighbor or heaven forbid help their grandma around the house? Remember, the contact tracers think roughly 75% of transmission occurs within homes.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14218134]You telling us not to hate on our Western government yet you dont agree with what they are doing.[/QUOTE]

He said westerners, not western gov't.

Westerners believe in freedom.

Western gov't does not believe in freedom - this should be 100% clear by now.

[QUOTE=JBSptfn;14218135][B]Yes. My sister talked to a lady in her church who works at a hospital a few weeks ago. This lady said that the amount of patients that they are seeing right now are the same as any other year (for the flu). [/B][/QUOTE]

Anecdote, but it seems to agree with the data.

[url]https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-capacity[/url]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq2l62eUwAETDE2?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

Looking at the hospital data this year, I'm shocked by the overwhelming support from the Left for Trump's National State of Emergency to 'prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.'


[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218015]I don't think Trump's Coronavirus Task Force helped at all.

Per CDC estimates, we have approximately [B]138,000,000 infections so far in the US[/B]. This is more infections than we predicted [B]without [/B]the pseudoscientific lockdowns and masks. :eek:

It's quite surprising to see so many people continue to support Trump's National State of Emergency, his Coronavirus Task Force, and all their disastrous policies.[/QUOTE]

Dumb.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14217901]Good luck with the civil war. Civilians with guns vs. the U.S. military?

Sometimes you just gotta accept this is the world we live in and try to make the best of your time here.[/QUOTE]

You assume members of the military/cops will fight for the Democrats against the Trump supporters. But if there was actually a civil war, you know how many would turn on the democrats to take out the left and put Trump back in?

I obviously don't believe it's feasible but I believe in a forced scenario of picking sides if there were a real honest civil war.... The military wouldn't fight the people to protect the democrats, they'd just eliminate the democrat politicians.

But in the case of accepting the beast system... Communism... I'll take my chances in the next step after this life, cause f this place if it becomes communists. I'd rather cease to exist.

I just wanna hang glide bruh. Soaring through the sky like a free bird.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218228]He said westerners, not western gov't.

Westerners believe in freedom.

Western gov't does not believe in freedom - this should be 100% clear by now.[/QUOTE]

The way our govt operates is how we live our lives.

If our govt does not believe in freedom, wtf is the point of these half ass lock downs? They should just decide to either lock us all in our homes or free us all. That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14217900]Are you still autistic?[/QUOTE]
:ohwell:

[QUOTE=n00bie;14218419]The way our govt operates is how we live our lives.

If our govt does not believe in freedom, wtf is the point of these half ass lock downs? They should just decide to either lock us all in our homes or free us all. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]

The gov't operates by slowly taking away freedoms from people and increasing gov't control, little by little; it's death by a thousand cuts.

I don't take away people's freedoms - gov't does this, just as they did all year long in 2020.

I think you're still on level 1 where you think the point of Trump's National State of Emergency is to "combat" Covid-19. :/

The point of the lockdowns is to transfer trillions in wealth to gov't/special interests, eradicate small businesses, & gain more control/power as the people adapt to higher levels of communism ("[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482343-Shopping-Carts-Stop-Signs-and-Traffic-Lights-and-Wearing-Masks&p=14058493&viewfull=1#post14058493"]new normal[/URL]").

N00bie should isolate himself with a plastic bag over his head for 5 to 10 minutes.

If we are lucky all of his fellow Chinese will do the same once ordered by their government.

No more coronaviruses.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14218490]N00bie should isolate himself with a plastic bag over his head for 5 to 10 minutes.

If we are lucky all of his fellow Chinese will do the same once ordered by their government.

No more coronaviruses.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3ZQ_dVkAENsuS?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

Every conclusion he makes is exactly what they want you to think: freedom is bad & we need more communism.

He's just really stuck on the Wuhan propaganda.

[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307849676834603009.html[/url]
[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html[/url]

Plus he's got family in HK so that post hoc fallacy of public mask use is ingrained in him, but if he took a look around the world he'd notice all the top countries in deaths/capita had lockdowns and masks.

[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/url]

I think you have to scroll down to #82 to get to Belarus, which did almost the least of all countries, and perhaps Sweden at #27, which banned large gatherings. The top 25 in deaths/capita all had lockdowns and masks.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218500][B]Every conclusion he makes is exactly what they want you to think: freedom is bad & we need more communism.[/B]

He's just really stuck on the Wuhan propaganda.

[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307849676834603009.html[/url]
[url]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html[/url]

Plus he's got family in HK so that post hoc fallacy of public mask use is ingrained in him, but if he took a look around the world he'd notice all the top countries in deaths/capita had lockdowns and masks.

[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/url]

I think you have to scroll down to #82 to get to Belarus, which did almost the least of all countries, and perhaps Sweden at #27, which banned large gatherings. The top 25 in deaths/capita all had lockdowns and masks.[/QUOTE]

That’s what makes it so frustrating. He doesn’t realize that the situations with China and the US are completely different. Even if they weren’t, their numbers are obviously not legitimate...and the same can be said with ours. Government officials have flat out admitted that “any person tested positive with corona at death will be listed as a coronavirus death”. We have seen the mirroring of the drop in flu cases and flu deaths perfectly coinciding with the rise of corona cases and deaths. We know numbers and news are being manipulated to spread fear and panic for other agendas. And after all of this he keeps repeating “yeah it’s ok, just lock us down. Have the government force everyone to stay inside for a month!” He’s basically chanting for martial law to be implemented because the government and news are telling him the flu is all of a sudden a national threat. It’s totally insane. (:lol at that pic)

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14218513] because the government and news are telling him the flu is all of a sudden a national threat. It’s totally insane. (:lol at that pic)[/QUOTE]

If this was a [I]real national emergency[/I], gov't wouldn't be telling everyone to be afraid; they be'd saying the opposite - keep calm and carry on.

Instead we got this:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJR6_cU0AE_GZw?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218529]If this was a [I]real national emergency[/I], gov't wouldn't be telling everyone to be afraid; they be'd saying the opposite - keep calm and carry on.

Instead we got this:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJR6_cU0AE_GZw?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/QUOTE]

That picture is n00bie 100% but it’s only missing the thought bubble “I hope the government comes and holds me hostage by gunpoint soon. Then this will all go away!”

Sociopaths.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14218513]That’s what makes it so frustrating. He doesn’t realize that the situations with China and the US are completely different. Even if they weren’t, their numbers are obviously not legitimate...and the same can be said with ours. Government officials have flat out admitted that “any person tested positive with corona at death will be listed as a coronavirus death”. We have seen the mirroring of the drop in flu cases and flu deaths perfectly coinciding with the rise of corona cases and deaths. We know numbers and news are being manipulated to spread fear and panic for other agendas. And after all of this he keeps repeating “yeah it’s ok, just lock us down. Have the government force everyone to stay inside for a month!” He’s basically chanting for martial law to be implemented because the government and news are telling him the flu is all of a sudden a national threat. It’s totally insane. (:lol at that pic)[/QUOTE]

But.. but.. but... only China is bad! Surely our own govt arent as bad right??

Oh wait. Everyone in China is free and we arent. What does that say about our "freedom"?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14218533]That picture is n00bie 100% but it’s only missing the thought bubble “I hope the government comes and holds me hostage by gunpoint soon. Then this will all go away!”[/QUOTE]

This picture would be more you since you believe western propaganda is so much better than the rest of the world.

Ammmeerrriccaaaaaa!!!

You're the type that like to call people sheep but believe the U.S. government is the least corrupt in the world.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14218549]This picture would be more you since you believe western propaganda is so much better than the rest of the world.

Ammmeerrriccaaaaaa!!!

You're the type that like to call people sheep but believe the U.S. government is the least corrupt in the world.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, based on his two responses, it doesn't look like he was implying that the US is a free country w/ low corruption or the least in the world.

From what I can tell, he was implying you're swallowing up the propaganda based on bolding part of my quote.

n00bie’s family who immigrated here must be rolling in their graves right now. They worked their whole lives in order for their future generations have these freedoms and then they end up mocking it and begging for a return back to what they originally fled from.

Unbelievable.

You know what guys? Welfarefan is a racist, exactly just like the other magatards in this board. :ohwell:

[QUOTE=Axe;14219266]You know what guys? Welfarefan is a racist, exactly just like the other magatards in this board. :ohwell:[/QUOTE]
he sure tries hard injecting himself into these threads while seamlessly saying nothing, all while getting ignored by everyone. like tears in the rain :(

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14219155]n00bie’s family who immigrated here must be rolling in their graves right now. They worked their whole lives in order for their future generations have these freedoms and then they end up mocking it and begging for a return back to what they originally fled from.

Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]

My parents immigrated here. So they still alive. They didnt flee Hong Kong. They actually both came here for university and ended up staying here because they found good jobs.

What about your parents? I'm guessing you're from the south and you're now living in the basement of their childhood home?

Inbreeding explains your mental retardation.

[QUOTE=n00bie;14219293]My parents immigrated here. So they still alive. They didnt flee Hong Kong. They actually both came here for university and ended up staying here because they found good jobs.

What about your parents? I'm guessing you're from the south and you're now living in the basement of their childhood home?

Inbreeding explains your mental retardation.[/QUOTE]
welfarefan is very embarrassed of his living situation. every time someone post pics of it he emails jeff to delete thread :(

[QUOTE=Stanley Kobrick;14219275]he sure tries hard injecting himself into these threads while seamlessly saying nothing, all while getting ignored by everyone. like tears in the rain :([/QUOTE]

Not everyone... clearly you arent ignoring him :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Stanley Kobrick;14219299]welfarefan is very embarrassed of his living situation. every time someone post pics of it he emails jeff to delete thread :([/QUOTE]

What does it look like?

Gus Hemmingway profile pic?

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218529]If this was a [I]real national emergency[/I], gov't wouldn't be telling everyone to be afraid; they be'd saying the opposite - keep calm and carry on.

Instead we got this:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJR6_cU0AE_GZw?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Yup.

Everyone scared to death.