Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

[QUOTE=tpols;14432288][URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/mc-donalds-hits-record-high-after-a-bombshell-earnings-report-150809478.html"]McDonald's stock spikes to new record after blockbuster Q1 earnings[/URL]


Yea.... Bullshit. They were offering free hamburgers for vax when their company wide earnings were at all time highs. Nice try though.[/QUOTE]


You do realize that McDonald's business model involves franchises, right? Their corporate earnings won't mean squat to a franchise owner that depends heavily on lunch time traffic from nearby offices.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432094]This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. [/QUOTE]

Lmao, says the guy who wants to force medical intrusions into other people's bodies without even having a cost/benefit analysis, all for an endemic, widespread, seasonal coronavirus with a median age of death above average life expectancy.

What are the actual benefits are of forced vaccination, numbers wise?

Suppose the unvaccinated (group A) are forced to become vaccinated. How many from group A would have to become vaccinated to save 1 life from the group that voluntarily chose to become vaccinated (group B)? And over what timeframe?

Suppose forcing person A to be injected with a drug reduced the chances of person B to die by 0.001% over the course of 12 months. Would it be worth it to force person A to be injected? At what point would it be worth it?

[QUOTE=Rocket;14432254]The tide is now turning as we see the countries with the highest vaccine rates have the highest total Covid hospitalizations and deaths. It is not a coincidence that Covid is exploding here as more and more people foolishly take these experimental vaccines that were rushed to market for a disease that has close to a 100% recovery rate. ADE, or Antibody Dependent Enhancement, is something we will hear about more and more as the tide turns and it is the vaccinated that are dying in mass.[/QUOTE]

Then you add that to the fact that the vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability. The government coordinated with the vaccine companies on that to expedite the rollout. So, if you have side effects or complications from the vaccine, you are screwed. You can't sue or do anything.

There was a study recently out of Israel, which has one of the highest vaccinations rates in the world. They found that natural immunity is more effective against the Delta variant than the vaccine in preventing reinfection


[QUOTE]
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.

The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.

It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
August 25, 2021. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.

The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.

It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.


People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research.

The study, published online but not yet peer reviewed, is the largest of its kind. It doesn’t take booster shots — now widely given in Israel — into account, but given that most of the world is still giving a two-dose regimen, has international relevance.

[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/"]https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vragrant;14432300]Then you add that to the fact that the vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability. The government coordinated with the vaccine companies on that to expedite the rollout. So, if you have side effects or complications from the vaccine companies down the road you are screwed. You can't sue or do anything.[/QUOTE]

Yup... they explicitly (and illegally) have denied all legal liability. Pfizer and FDA have swapped top chairman as well. The corruption is unbelievable and right in our face. Pure facism. Coordination by private + public sector to groom and control the people in any way they want.

And now they have an army of sheep to shame and guilt trip people into taking a shot that has zero long term human clinical trials. (5+ years to study long terms effects) Its amazing.

RE data on Covid-19 hospitalizations

Again, the problem is the RCTs never tested for reduced hospitalization/death with vaccine. The best study we have showed that more people died in the vaccine group than in the control group (though not statistically significant). I do believe there's enough data that shows that the vaccine reduces risk of being counted as a hospitalization with Covid-19, but not necessarily hospitalization overall. Part of the issue is separating those who were admitted primarily for Covid-19 (and would not have been hospitalized otherwise) and those who were in with Covid-19 and would have been hospitalized regardless of vaccination. For example:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-GTLLCVgAQhUU_?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Furthermore, another thing that needs to be made clear is the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization & death with vaccination vs without, over say a 6-12 month timeframe. This should give people a better idea of whether or not the vaccine is right for them. Here's the CDC's opinion:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497275-Anti-Vaxxers-are-Low-IQ-Prove-me-Wrong&p=14431224&viewfull=1#post14431224[/url]

Still waiting on tontoz to back up one of his other outrageous claims here:

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14431230]Interesting assumptions there.

How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?[/QUOTE]

RE charts comparing cases/deaths from 2020 to 2021.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9hLGyNXMAEYWAY?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-gHvpHVEAISQ7e?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Data from Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world.

It's quite surprising to see given the plausibility that the most vulnerable died the earliest and the narrative surrounding Covid-19 vaccines.

The decoupling of cases & deaths could be due to the most vulnerable dying off earliest, as well as testing criteria?



[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#[/url]

Here's the CDC Director saying that the "Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID."

So we have a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from being infected, transmitting it, BUT may reduce the likelihood of severe disease.

This doesn't sound like a [I]vaccine [/I]as much as it does a preventive [I]drug [/I]one must take routinely (eg booster shots).

[QUOTE]People who are against forced vaccination with the Covid-19 "vaccine" are SeLfIsH[/QUOTE]

Expanding on what I wrote previously on the CDC directors latest announcement...

[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v3[/url]

"[...] no significant differences in Ct values by vaccination status. Notably, 212 of 311 (68%) of individuals with infection despite full vaccination had extremely low Ct values <25, consistent with high viral loads."

One more on the decoupling of UK cases/deaths

[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE]Since Feb 1, the UK's 0.033% (48/147,612) case fatality ratio for Delta under age 50 unvaccinated is 40% lower than their observed Alpha under age 50 (vax+unvax) CFR of 0.056% (66/118,178).[/QUOTE]

The CFR is 40% lower in unvaccinated. Again, absolutely plausible that the most vulnerable people simply became infected and died earlier than the less vulnerable.

Though, like I said, changes in testing also had an effect.

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210906-143755.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated[/url]


Consider that people over 65 have the highest rate of vaccination.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432319][IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210906-143755.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated[/url]


Consider that people over 65 have the highest rate of vaccination.[/QUOTE]



[url]https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZSo9xj7v4NMv/[/url]

[b]Florida nurse talks about being on the front lines[/b]

[img]https://i1.wp.com/vaxopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/geert-bossche.png[/img]

[img]https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/fXwWSSH91bS2/eBnssDZuoK6f_640x360.jpg[/img]

[url]https://rumble.com/vl5il4-vaccine-disaster-ahead.html[/url]




Anybody have a resume better than his?

So do we have to watch a 17 minute vid to hear what the guy said?

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14432329][url]https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZSo9xj7v4NMv/[/url]

[b]Florida nurse talks about being on the front lines[/b][/QUOTE]

The headline is priceless "Delta caused by quakccines"

Problem is that the Delta variant was first identified in December 2020, before the vaccine rollout.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432340]The headline is priceless "Delta caused by quakccines"

Problem is that the Delta variant was first identified in December 2020, before the vaccine rollout.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]


So you are going to disregard her testimony because of the headline of the video?

that makes sense.





let's get some stats from a government official... since we all love the government so much.

[url]https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2021/09/west-virginia-vaccinated-people-dropping-like-flies-3597096.html[/url]

[img]https://wvpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/justice-1.png[/img]

[b]Natural causes now blamed for doctor who died two weeks after Pfizer vaccine[/b]

[url]https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/natural-causes-now-blamed-for-doc-who-died-after-pfizer-vaccine/[/url]

[quote]A Miami Beach doctor who died 16 days after getting a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in January appears to have expired from natural causes, officials say.

An autopsy on Dr. Gregory Michael, 56, has concluded he died from a complications of immune thrombocytopenia, a condition that prevents blood from clotting and which can cause internal bleeding.

There is no medical certainty that the shot had anything to do with the condition, the Florida Department of Health has determined in a joint investigation with the CDC, which reviewed samples from the autopsy.[/quote]


[img]https://mezzogiorno.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/f24da5fd-4fe1-4240-8b10-e68237ea443c-large16x9_0108_doctor.jpeg[/img]



Natural Causes... sure. I believe it.


[img]https://c.tenor.com/ZFc20z8DItkAAAAM/facepalm-really.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14432355]So you are going to disregard her testimony because of the headline of the video?

that makes sense.





let's get some stats from a government official... since we all love the government so much.

[url]https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2021/09/west-virginia-vaccinated-people-dropping-like-flies-3597096.html[/url]

[img]https://wvpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/justice-1.png[/img][/QUOTE]

Funny that clip is only a minute long and doesn't mention unvaccinated people at all. No agenda there :lol

Here is the full hour long vid:

[video=youtube_share;XXQ64M1-ch4]https://youtu.be/XXQ64M1-ch4[/video]

[QUOTE].[SIZE=5] “We know that the overwhelming majority – the overwhelming majority – of the people that are hospitalized in the ICUs, our deaths; they’re unvaccinated,” Gov. Justice said. “You have got to get vaccinated. [B]There is nothing your life that is as important as getting yourself [/B]vaccinated.” [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Can't imagine why the anti vaxers left that part out.

:roll:

They are actually giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated at the 19:30 mark.

:roll:

[url]https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2021/Pages/COVID-19-UPDATE-Hospitalizations-continue-to-surge-mostly-among-the-unvaccinated.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432371]Funny that clip is only a minute long and doesn't mention unvaccinated people at all. No agenda there :lol

Here is the full hour long vid:

[video=youtube_share;XXQ64M1-ch4]https://youtu.be/XXQ64M1-ch4[/video]



Can't imagine why the anti vaxers left that part out.

:roll:

They are actually giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated.

[url]https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2021/Pages/COVID-19-UPDATE-Hospitalizations-continue-to-surge-mostly-among-the-unvaccinated.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]

Why do u care though? Why do u care if i or anyone dosn't want to take the vaccine? More and more studies are coming out on how transmitting isn't effected much my vaccinations so the that's not a goid argument. Plus people have been putting others at risk forever and it's never been a problem before. Everytime u jump in your car your endangering others. Everytime u go anywhere with the flu your endangering others. Life is full of risks to our life and health but we choose everyday to accept them because that's life. The coronavirus should be no different. If you want to risk it like everything else that's fine don't get the vaccine or wear masks or wash your hands. If don't want to risk it do the opposite. It shouldn't be a big deal.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432381]Why do u care though? Why do u care if i or anyone dosn't want to take the vaccine? More and more studies are coming out on how transmitting isn't effected much my vaccinations so the that's not a goid argument. Plus people have been putting others at risk forever and it's never been a problem before. Everytime u jump in your car your endangering others. Everytime u go anywhere with the flu your endangering others. Life is full of risks to our life and health but we choose everyday to accept them because that's life. The coronavirus should be no different. If you want to risk it like everything else that's fine don't get the vaccine or wear masks or wash your hands. If don't want to risk it do the opposite. It shouldn't be a big deal.[/QUOTE]


I am not the one who brought up the vid in the first place. It just shows how the antivaxers try to twist reality.

Transmission is absolutely less for.people that are vaccinated. It isn't arguable any more.

Why do I care? Because these anti vax nuts are prolonging the pandemic. Their hospital stays are a drain on the economy not to mention businesses that depend.on foot traffic.

Are you volunteering to pay for the hospital stays of the unvaccinated? Why don't you start a GoFundMe page for the antivaxers to pay for their hospital stays. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432388]I am not the one who brought up the vid in the first place. It just shows how the antivaxers try to twist reality.

Transmission is absolutely less for.people that are vaccinated. It isn't arguable any more.

Why do I care? Because these anti vax nuts are prolonging the pandemic. Their hospital stays are a drain on the economy not to mention businesses that depend.on foot traffic.

Are you volunteering to pay for the hospital stays of the unvaccinated? Why don't you start a GoFundMe page for the antivaxers to pay for their hospital stays. Let's see them put their money where their mouth is.[/QUOTE]

The anti vaxxers aren't prolonging anything. Like the flu covid is never going away. It's gonna be something we have to learn to live with like the flu and car accidents.

As far the drain on hospitals there's an easy answer. If u don't have the vaccine u go to the back of the line if you need to be treated and the hospital is overwhelmed.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432392]The anti vaxxers aren't prolonging anything. Like the flu covid is never going a[B][/B]way. It's gonna be something we have to learn to live with like the flu and car accidents.

As far the drain on hospitals there's an easy answer. I[B]f u don't have the vaccine u go to the back of the line if you need to be treated and the hospital is overwhelmed.[/B][/QUOTE]


I agree with that and it is happening in Australia, but not here. I saw a story the other day about a vet that died from a gallstone because they didn't have an available ICU bed.


That vid brings up hospital staffing. Apparently WV is losing healthcare workers to other states that can pay more.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432371]Funny that clip is only a minute long and doesn't mention unvaccinated people at all. No agenda there :lol[/QUOTE]


It doesn't have to...

Here is the title of the thread: [b]Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit[/b]



So here we have 26% increase in positive cases among those that have been vaccinated....

21% increase in hospitalization of the fully vaccinated

25% increase in death of the fully vaccinated...


I guess the vaccine seems to be working great by your standards... not by mine.

[img]https://dimock.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/vax_faq.png[/img]


How long does protection from the vaccines last?

Answer: We don't have that data yet.





Tontoz will be back here next year defending the need for Covid Pills.

[img]https://static.wixstatic.com/media/372389_996cddee2cde47428d39b00e0fc8609d~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_960,h_900,al_c,q_90/372389_996cddee2cde47428d39b00e0fc8609d~mv2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432397]I agree with that and it is happening in Australia, but not here. I saw a story the other day about a vet that died from a gallstone because they didn't have an available ICU bed.


That vid brings up hospital staffing. Apparently WV is losing healthcare workers to other states that can pay more.[/QUOTE]

Well gallstones can be a result of a bad diet so maybe he died because he was unhealthy. See even that can get tricky. Should someone who treats their body like crap get preferences over non vaxxers if they need treatment?

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14432408]It doesn't have to...

Here is the title of the thread: [b]Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit[/b]



So here we have 26% increase in positive cases among those that have been vaccinated....

21% increase in hospitalization of the fully vaccinated

25% increase in death of the fully vaccinated...


I guess the vaccine seems to be working great by your standards... not by mine.[/QUOTE]

The problem in those numbers is that they are comparing vaccinated people to each other, not to unvaccinated people but you are too brainwashed to notice that.

He is literally begging people to get vaccinated because there are so many unvaccinated people in their hospitals. WV is not a wealthy state and they are literally giving away prizes for people to.get vaccinated.

Pretty sobering vid. It is pretty bad there, certainly a lot worse than where I live in MD.


At the 54 minute mark where he addeesses the elephant in the room.

What if you had a child or parent that was injured or sick but they couldn't get care because the hospital was filled with unvaccinated COVID patients?

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431292]You are missing the point of my entire thread. These vaccines don't work. When they have the effectiveness of the mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus vaccines then get back to me. You are gloating over people forced to get a vaccine that has proven not to work so far.[/QUOTE]

this.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432419]Well gallstones can be a result of a bad diet so maybe he died because he was unhealthy. See even that can get tricky. Should someone who treats their body like crap get preferences over non vaxxers if they need treatment?[/QUOTE]


Here is the full story. He did 2 tours of duty in Afghanistan so I see no reason to believe he didn't take care of himself. He was 46.

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17[/url]

The vaccine ain't doing shit? :facepalm

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14432424]this.[/QUOTE]

I suppose it's just a wild coincidence that hospitals in WV are so full of unvaccinated COVID cases that a conservative governor who is against mask mandates is giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432423]The problem in those numbers is that they are comparing vaccinated people to each other, not to unvaccinated people but you are too brainwashed to notice that.

He is literally begging people to get vaccinated because there are so many unvaccinated people in their hospitals. WV is not a wealthy state and they are literally giving away prizes for people to.get vaccinated.

Pretty sobering vid. It is pretty bad there, certainly a lot worse than where I live in MD.


At the 54 minute mark where he addeesses the elephant in the room.

What if you had a child or parent that was injured or sick but they couldn't get care because the hospital was filled with unvaccinated COVID patients?[/QUOTE]

My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432434]My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation[/QUOTE]

No they really aren't. If that was the case then there wouldn't be space for people who are there through no fault of their own, like the person who got hit by the drunk driver.

You shou check out the last few minutes of that vid. The governor paints a pretty bleak picture of the next few weeks.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432432]I suppose it's just a wild coincidence that hospitals in WV are so full of unvaccinated COVID cases that a conservative governor who is against mask mandates is giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks the vaccines aren't working are living in complete denial at this point.

Idaho:
[IMG]https://www.idahoednews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Vaccination-status-graphic.jpg[/IMG]

I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432434]My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation[/QUOTE]

tontoz hasn't actually proved that "hospitals have been overwhelmed due to ivermectin" or even Covid-19. He hasn't even answered basic followup questions to his assertions.

We're still waiting for him to make the case. There are 3,006 counties and 50 states in the US. How many have been overwhelmed by Covid-19 in 2020? 2021?

PS: you're also right about personal choice not mattering in the past. If only people knew how many drug addicts were getting free $100k drug treatments. tontoz would be surprised to round with some physicians in a teaching hospital and learn about how many people are admitted for:

1) accidental injury due to partying too hard or doing dumb shit
2) alcohol overdoses
3) other drug overdoses
4) attempted suicide
5) HIV, HEP C, mainly from drug abuse and lifestyle choices
6) cardiovascular complications - poor diet, exercise, sleep, along with choosing not to take their preventative meds
7) pneumonia & sepsis - usually very old/frail pts
8) non-compliance with diabetes meds & again, poor lifestyle choices
9) COPD - smokers, for example
10) even some you can argue are in there for "no fault of their own" put off routine cancer screenings and/or ignored warning signs for months and chose not to get checked out are now in for advanced cancer
11) you'll also be surprised just how many homeless people use the hospital as a motel, especially during the winter. In some cities you can walk into a hospital and find 10-20 homeless people just lying around waiting for a bed during the winter.

The #1 reason for hosp stays in the US is pregnant women btw.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432439]No they really aren't. If that was the case then there wouldn't be space for people who are there through no fault of their own, like the person who got hit by the drunk driver.[/QUOTE]

tontoz really has NFC.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432453]I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/"]Per The Atlantic:[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14429783]
[QUOTE]Intrastate travel within Australia is also severely restricted. And the government of South Australia, one of the country’s six states, developed and is now testing an app as Orwellian as any in the free world to enforce its quarantine rules. People in South Australia will be forced to download an app that combines facial recognition and geolocation. The state will text them at random times, and thereafter they will have 15 minutes to take a picture of their face in the location where they are supposed to be. Should they fail, the local police department will be sent to follow up in person. “We don’t tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,” Premier Steven Marshall explained. “I think every South Australian should feel pretty proud that we are the national pilot for the home-based quarantine app.”[/QUOTE]



Welcome to Australia, where they have a nationwide 18+ month lockdown (and still going) with Orwellian gov't surveillance policies for the illusion of controlling a widespread, endemic coronavirus from 2019 with a median age of death above average life expectancy & an at-risk population already fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

^ That's how it's "playing out"

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432453]I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.[/QUOTE]

Canada too. Coming to America soon. Already here in NYC.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14432455]tontoz hasn't actually proved that "hospitals have been overwhelmed due to ivermectin" or even Covid-19. He hasn't even answered basic followup questions to his assertions.

We're still waiting for him to make the case. There are 3,006 counties and 50 states in the US. How many have been overwhelmed by Covid-19 in 2020? 2021?

PS: you're also right about personal choice not mattering in the past. If only people knew how many drug addicts were getting free $100k drug treatments. tontoz would be surprised to round with some physicians in a teaching hospital and learn about how many people are admitted for:

1) accidental injury due to partying too hard or doing dumb shit
2) alcohol overdoses
3) other drug overdoses
4) attempted suicide
5) HIV, HEP C, mainly from drug abuse and lifestyle choices
6) cardiovascular complications - poor diet, exercise, sleep, along with choosing not to take their preventative meds
7) pneumonia & sepsis - usually very old/frail pts
8) non-compliance with diabetes meds & again, poor lifestyle choices
9) COPD - smokers, for example
10) even some you can argue are in there for "no fault of their own" put off routine cancer screenings and/or ignored warning signs for months and chose not to get checked out are now in for advanced cancer
11) you'll also be surprised just how many homeless people use the hospital as a motel, especially during the winter. In some cities you can walk into a hospital and find 10-20 homeless people just lying around waiting for a bed during the winter.

The #1 reason for hosp stays in the US is pregnant women btw.



tontoz really has NFC.[/QUOTE]

Yeah man i have no problem with people who want to take the vaccine or wear masks or whatever but don't project your irrational fears on me.

And i don't say irrational because i don't believe in covid. I say irrational because these same people don't think twice about the flu or driving even though those 2 things combined are more likely to kill someone under 50 than covid is. Not to mention all the things u listed that people will engage in.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14432468]Yeah man i have no problem with people who want to take the vaccine or wear masks or whatever but don't project your irrational fears on me.

And i don't say irrational because i don't believe in covid. I say irrational because these same people don't think twice about the flu or driving even though those 2 things combined are more likely to kill someone under 50 than covid is. Not to mention all the things u listed that people will engage in.[/QUOTE]


Interesting that you bring up driving. In order to drive a car legally you need a license, insurance, registration and you have to wear a seat belt. You can be ticketed for not wearing it.

Not to mention all the traffic signs and lights

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14432443]Anyone who thinks the vaccines aren't working are living in complete denial at this point.

Idaho:
[IMG]https://www.idahoednews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Vaccination-status-graphic.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Crickets.

You can show them the world is round they still won't believe it.

They are the vaccine truthers at this point.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14432487]You can show them the world is round they still won't believe it. They are the vaccine truthers at this point.[/QUOTE]

I've been asking basic followup questions to tontoz's claims as well as regarding the benefits of forced vaccination ITT and other threads.

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