2021 training camp/pre-season!

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/05/utah-jazz-skill-jared-butler-minutes/[/url]

[QUOTE]But so long as head coach [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2021/10/03/newest-utah-jazz-players/"]Quin Snyder[/URL] continues to call his number often when the regular season begins on Oct. 20, Butler’s staggering shiftiness, smooth trigger, impressive vision, and advanced confidence should confuse defenses regularly. No doubt Utah has sufficient 3-point snipers to consistently drain all the open looks that the floor general’s gifted flow would create.

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offense hasn't been their problem the last two years :facepalm

Duane Rankin: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]#NBATV is no longer televising #Suns final preseason game Oct. 13 against Portland at home. The Bucks-Jazz game in Utah will be televised by NBA TV[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin"]Twitter DuaneRankin[/URL]

[QUOTE] Andy Larsen: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Injury updates for tonight: Rudy Gobert, Joe Ingles, Mike Conley, Donovan Mitchell are out due to rest[/URL]. Hassan Whiteside is out due to left heel soreness. Bojan Bogdanovic is out due to right shoulder soreness. Rudy Gay out due to offseason heel surgery.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]

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Udoka!

[QUOTE] Mirjam Swanson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Is Serge eager to get back? Ty Lue: “He’s very anxious — but we gotta be smart.[/URL] Can’t let the player dictate when they get on the floor, because they’ll get hurt.”

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/MirjamSwanson"]Twitter MirjamSwanson[/URL]

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luckily for you the Jazz didn't get that memo

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/06/utah-jazz-3-goals-hassan-whiteside/[/url]

don't let Udoka take your job

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50257606/18-ex-nba-players-including-a-former-jazz-guard-charged-in-4m-health-care-fraud-scheme[/url]

[QUOTE]Among those charged was Anthony Allen, a six-time All-Defensive team selection and a member of the 2008 champion Boston Celtics. His wife was also indicted. For the most part, though, the ex-players charged had journeyman careers playing for several different teams and never reached anywhere close to the enormous stardom or salary that top players command. That includes former Jazz guard Milt Palacio, who played one season in Utah in 2005-06.

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Milt sucked!

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50257230/new-defensive-look-jared-butlers-big-night-highlight-utahs-2nd-preseason-contest[/url]

[QUOTE]With Utah missing a good chunk of its core lineup, Snyder was able to experiment with something rarely seen in Utah: a small-ball center. The Jazz started the lineup of Trent Forrest, Jordan Clarkson, Miye Oni, Royce O'Neale and Eric Paschall. And since Paschall isn't known for his rim-protecting prowess, Utah switched everything.

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COTY trying to keep his job?

[QUOTE]There were some rough moments: Clarkson didn't look comfortable guarding in the post, Doncic was just plain mean at times to the Utah B team, and Paschall struggled to keep guards in front of him.

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Clarkson doesn't look comfortable doing anything but dribbling and shooting

[QUOTE]But there was also plenty of good: Oni and Forrest held their own in the post, which allowed them to swarm around ball handlers to create turnovers; and Utah was good in knowing when to go for turnovers and when to stay home, especially when factored in that the team hadn't done this before.

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imagine that. Guys that defend defending and not forcing Rudy to do everything

[QUOTE]So was this a one-off experiment or will we see it again when the games start to count? Gay played some small-ball center when he was with the San Antonio Spurs, and his value to the team is much higher if he can fill a similar role this season. His perimeter defense is also much better than Paschall's, so it stands to reason the Jazz will look better with him in the lineup — and it could provide a much-needed look when the playoffs roll around.

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don't count on it.

[QUOTE]There was another thing that came out of the Jazz sitting a good chunk of their roster: Jared Butler got a lot of playing time. And with apologies to Mitchell, Conley and Gobert, that's what people wanted to see in the preseason, especially with how the rookie has been playing.

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that's what I want to see. My mom and I'm sure many others don't

[QUOTE]Everything seemed easy for Butler. He manipulated defenders with slight hesitation moves to get into the paint to create easy scoring opportunities and he hit defenders with dribble move after dribble move to free up space for a step back 3-pointer. He looked like someone that could contribute right away.

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who wants Clarkson?

[url]https://kslsports.com/469572/butler-hughes-fitts-highlight-jazz-youth-in-loss-to-mavericks/[/url]

[QUOTE]“Sometimes you have to find a fit,” Jazz coach Quin Snyder said of Elijah Hughes’s role. “Going to the offensive glass, running the court, playing defense, rebounding, all those things.”

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why not get someone that actually does those things instead like Brantley, Morgan, Tucker...?

[QUOTE]Fitts signed an Exhibit 10 deal with the Jazz which functions as a training camp invite that allows the team to retain his G League rights should they waive him.

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Clippers G league team has his rights

[QUOTE]Forrest has also struggled with the size of interior defenders after summer league. The guard easily picked apart the slower defenses in Salt Lake City and Vegas by getting into the paint and using floaters to score at the rim. However, the guard has struggled to shoot the ball in preseason including a 3-11 night against the Mavericks.

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shooting is what he will have to get better at. He showed he could play last year but if the other team isn't guarding you it's an issue

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/6/22712658/instant-analysis-utah-jazz-go-small-as-starters-and-vets-rest-dallas-mavericks-nba[/url]

[QUOTE]If I had to make a guess about which fringe rotation player was going to get the most opportunity this season, I would say Jared Butler, it wouldn’t even be close and I’d feel pretty confident in my guess. I know that’s it’s just two preseason games, but the kid just looks like he’s farther along than the other players and has the tools that will give him a great career in this league.

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you think? :facepalm

[QUOTE]It’s probably not great news for Forrest that Butler is having a pretty impressive preseason thus far. While the Jazz like Forrest, it’s going to be hard for them to deny minutes to Butler with how much potential Butler has.

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who is it exactly that will lose minutes because of Butler? Clarkson is the obvious choice by maybe COTY's favorite player! Forrest is on a two way. He wasn't expected to play or he'd be on a regular contract. That's how these things work

[QUOTE]When all of the players on the floor are players that are not in the regular rotation, the Jazz’s spacing seems to collapse more often than not. There are a handful of possessions when Oni or Hughes, who have been around for a minute, float out to the wide corners as they are supposed to and they got some open looks that way. But there are way more times that everyone was passing up open looks and then the space incrementally shrunk with each successive pass. It really does help when these guys get time on the floor with the good players on a team who can guide them and correct them and help them. One of my high school basketball coaches used to say, “practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.” If you keep practicing but you’re doing things wrong and you aren’t great at those things, then you probably aren’t going to get that much better.

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Oni and Hughes will be open because they can't shoot. Brantley would have done well on the court with their best players. We saw it. Morgan as well

[QUOTE]Players like Hughes, Butler, and even some of the other young players, likely won’t be evaluated based on their ability to score or their offensive abilities. Hughes has improved his shot, he shoots in rhythm and has a good feel for when to attack. Butler is a pure shooter who is really savvy with the ball. What they are able to do on the defensive end is going to be how their growth is evaluated. That’s neither a good thing or a bad thing, just a thing to think about as we’re watching these players. They’re good on the offensive side and we know that. But how good can they be on the other end?

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I'd worry more about Mitchell and the guys that play on that end

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2021/10/6/22713891/jared-butler-and-elijah-hughes-shine-in-utah-jazz-preseason-loss-to-the-dallas-mavericks[/url]

[QUOTE]The obvious benefit to the small-ball lineup was the spread floor on offense that gave the Jazz good looks. The interesting wrinkle was how effective it was on the defensive end. With Miye Oni and Royce O’neale on the perimeter, Utah looked surprisingly good defensively.

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having one shooter on the floor will get you open looks

[QUOTE]The Jazz had two players really stand out tonight. First, let’s talk about Elijah Hughes. Hughes is a player that has shown real flashes in his short time with the Jazz. Tonight, with a nice amount of play time, he showed more flashes of potential. Hughes scored 11 points on 33% shooting from three while also grabbing 3 rebounds and dishing out 3 assists. The assists might have been the most impressive. Hughes consistently made the right passes to open shooters. He also made some nice plays on defense including this block in transition.

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what flashes? Did I blink?






[QUOTE]Butler, Mitchell and Conley. Run BMC.



I'm having flashbacks to the Thomas, Dumars and Johnson backcourt trio. Almost interchangeable. All could, dribble, pass, shoot, score. 48 minutes of great guard play.



Also, wonder how Butler's play may affect JC's minutes and shots.


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It won't affect Clarkson. COTY loves him

[QUOTE]The Jazz should try playing Whiteside and Gobert at the same time.



On defense, Whiteside covers the paint while Gobert guards the perimeter.



On offense, they switch positions.


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Favors at the 4 is already forgotten? Maybe they can Rubio back too!

[QUOTE]Butler is looking like he could handle the Jazz's starting point guard duties as a rookie--and thrive in that role. With that in mind, the Jazz could get into the Ben Simmons sweepstakes.



Proposed trade: Conley ($21,000,000), Ingles ($13,036,364), O'Neale ($8,800,000) (totaling $42,836,364) for Simmons ($33,003,936), Seth Curry ($8,207,518), Paul Reed ($1,517,981) (totaling $42,728,435). The trade would have to wait until Conley becomes tradeable as a player, after signing a new free-agent contract this off-season.



New Utah lineup:



PG: Butler, Curry, Forrest (2-way)

SG: Mitchell, Clarkson, Hughes

SF: Bogdanovic, Gay, Oni

PF: Simmons, Paschall, Reed

C: Gobert, Whiteside, Azubuike



I'm not sure Philadelphia could get a better offer for Simmons, and Philadelphia could immediately compete for a title in the Eastern Conference with the additions of Conley, Ingles and O'Neale.



It looks like Butler could pretty much replace Conley's production; Simmons could replace O'Neale's defense and then some, and could replace Ingle's ball-handling; and Curry could replace Ingle's shooting. This trade could be a great move for both teams. And, if Quin and his staff could somehow coach Simmons up to shoot 3-point shots at an average rate, the Jazz could be an NBA dynasty for several years to come with the defense provided by Simmons and Gobert, and the offense provided by Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, Butler, Curry and Hughes.[/QUOTE]

Simmons makes no sense. Conley was one of the best players in the league last year. Why not get rid of the obvious weak link Clarkson instead of 3 of your best players?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/07/utah-jazz-3-studs-1-dud/[/url]

[QUOTE]The fact that each of Fitts’ made field goals came from three-point range could be indicative of a player who is ready to fill a role that every contending team could use more of: floor-spacing wing. A muscular 6’8 and 230 pounds, Fitts may have the physical profile and athletic tools to develop into a more well-rounded player in time.

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muscular with one board. Paschall too. Gobert, Whiteside and O'Neale have to do all the dirty work again?

[QUOTE]It was a step in the right direction for the unpolished, physically imposing Utah Jazz big. It was also (slightly) encouraging that Azubuike only committed 3 fouls in 24 minutes of action. That’s not necessarily a fantastic pace, but considering the 5.7 per 36 minutes the young man committed last season, it’s a step in the right direction.

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garbage time and pre season time!

[QUOTE]Oni will be on the Utah Jazz roster to open the regular season, but if he hopes to find anything more than a garbage time role with the club, he’ll need to deliver stronger performances than the one he did on Wednesday night.

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He might not be on the roster and it sounds like his D was great

[QUOTE]As previously mentioned, Utah Jazz fans ought not to invest deep emotions in the outcome of this contest. They may be one of the deepest teams in the National Basketball Association, but there’s not a squad in the NBA worth criticizing in a loss without 7 of their most important players. Fans should monitor who suits up in Monday’s action against the New Orleans Pelicans.

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aren't they the deepest team in the league every year until they aren't like the playoffs last year? :roll:

Finally had a chance to watch the game. Was great to see them trying something different defensively. We'll see if they do it when it counts

Paschall's shot looks bad. Has a hitch. Wouldn't count on him improving from the 33% he shot last year

Oni would still be a good energy guy at the end of the bench

Forrest looks good except for his shot

The sooner Butler takes over for Clarkson the better. They would be really small in the back court but if Butler and Conley can play D they might get away with it. His shot release is low though. The guy can flat out play!

Udoka looks alright to me. Just needs to keep working and get time in the Gleague until he's ready

Fitts can shoot. Mavs had a couple guys not on contracts that could be good for the two way spot as well though. I like that it's open for a change

Hughes is looking better. He has his moments. Still not sold on him. Needs to light up the Gleague

[url]https://kslsports.com/469598/13-utah-jazz-guard-joe-ingles/[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz decision may also be impacted by how deep in the luxury tax the team is, and the asking price for Ingles to return. Furthermore, and somewhat ironically, rookie Jared Butler’s breakout performance in Ingles’ absence over the last two preseason games could also help determine the guard’s future with the roster.

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should have nothing to do with it. Clarkson sucks!

[QUOTE]With Butler locked into a minimum salary and the team looking to avoid further tax penalties, the Jazz could prefer to let their young guard develop rather than paying the potentially high cost to retain Ingles.

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there going to be paying a lot of tax for a long time

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/7/22705863/the-evolution-of-rudy-gobert-utah-jazz-nba[/url]

[QUOTE]Gobert is a force. He’s one of the biggest (no pun intended) reasons the Utah Jazz have won a lot of games and made five consecutive playoff appearances. His career is already a success in many respects, punctuated last season when he [URL="https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/12/22/22193242/utah-jazz-rudy-gobert-contract-extension-nba-donovan-mitchell-ryan-smith"]signed a five-year, $205 million contract[/URL] extension.

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one of? What have they done without him besides lose a lot?

[QUOTE]There’s the two All-Star bids, the All-NBA honor, the three Defensive Player of the Year awards and all the advanced metrics that back up the impact that Gobert has on the court. He is truly a decorated athlete who has achieved wild success since his G-League playing days back in 2013.

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all NBA honors. all D...

[QUOTE]In order to achieve that goal, Whiteside has to mirror, as best as he can, what Gobert does and soak up everything he can from the reigning DPOY. And when they practice, it means that Gobert is going up against a similarly built 7-footer who has the length to challenge Gobert in a way that he hasn’t been challenged in quite some time.

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Favors, Bradley, Udoh, Udoka all have great length. Let's not get carried away. Whiteside is on a minumum deal for a reason

[QUOTE]“The good thing is that everything is going to be easier in the games because we’re probably the two best rim protectors in the league right now,” he said. “It’s a blessing, a luxury to have us both on the same team and it’s great because we’re both trying to make each other better in practice.”

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if he was he wouldn't be backing you up

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/7/22714565/utah-jazz-give-a-glimpse-at-their-ability-to-switch-in-preseason-loss[/url]

[QUOTE]It’s not something to expect in every game, but there are going to be times when it’s necessary and the Jazz will want to perfect its small lineup long before the postseason, so it’s likely to be something we’ll all see a bit more of.

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don't count on it

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/08/utah-jazz-media-underrates-mike-conley/[/url]

[QUOTE]Russell Westbrook placed one spot ahead of Conley at 13th. Westbrook is one of the most divisive players in the NBA. It wouldn’t be difficult to find thousands of fans who would rank the walking triple-double in the top 3. Conversely, one could find credible NBA observers who would leave the high-volume, low-efficiency point guard out of their top 15 altogether. We’ll accept Russ’s placement ahead of Conley (which is not to suggest that we agree with it). Russ is not far removed from receiving an MVP trophy, and whether he deserved it or not, that’s not an accomplishment Conley has so much as sniffed in his NBA career.

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yet Conley was one of the most valuable players last season

[QUOTE]De’Aaron Fox, like Morant, has a bright future in the National Basketball Association. With a combination of blinding speed, rush hour ball-handling and advanced court vision, he is the life blood of the Sacramento Kings. Also like Morant, his importance to his team should not merit his ranking ahead of Utah Jazz veteran Mike Conley.

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win?

Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Asked how the two Rudy G names situation was working out, Rudy Gay had he’s been playing around with the nicknames “Ocho” and “Ocho Papi.”[/URL] Holly Rowe suggested “G Papi” and Rudy said he liked it.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]




Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gay says he’s been dealing with heel pain for 5 years, and finally decided to get it taken care of. There was no specific injury that contributed to the surgery.[/URL] Said he doesn’t have an exact timeline for playing, but notes he’s not the kind of guy to milk an injury.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]







Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gay said part of the appeal of joining the Jazz was them being the best regular season team in the league last year without him, so he knew there was no pressure for him to rush back[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

[QUOTE] Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Mike Conley said his play in the national championship game did help him prepare for the NBA[/URL]. That’s something Jared Butler has talked about a lot in preseason as far as calming his nerves. Conley said that might change when he sees SGA and OKC on opening night. #takenote

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]





Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Mike Conley said that Joe Johnson got him involved with yoga this summer. Told him it would add years to his career. “I’m really feeling it.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]


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hot yoga!

[url]https://kslsports.com/469687/jazz-president-tv-and-streaming-broadcast-is-top-priority/[/url]

[QUOTE]After broadcasting the games for free locally on KJZZ, the Jazz agreed to move the team’s broadcasts to AT&T Sports Net in 2009 long before widespread streaming was considered a reliable option to view games.

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and their excuse for renewing it this year?

[QUOTE]“There will be a great solution and I guarantee it, we’re going to be one of the leaders in that when those opportunities are made available.”

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sounds like Trump :facepalm

[url]https://kslsports.com/469669/mailbag-can-jared-butler-crack-the-jazz-rotation/[/url]

[QUOTE]As mentioned, Snyder likes to run a relatively strict nine-man rotation, while finding minutes for players either late in blowouts, or in spot minutes to end quarters as he did at times last season for Miye Oni.

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Oni played when someone was injured unless it was multple guys than it was Forrest and others

[QUOTE]Heading into the season, it seemed like a foregone conclusion that Eric Paschall would be the Jazz tenth-man, while Trent Forrest and Butler battled it out to be the fifth guard in the rotation.

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it did? Oni was 10th man last year and Butler has been hyped from day 1. Forrest showed he could play last year. Paschall is bff. Right now I'd guess they'll go really small with Butler while Gay is out despite bff status for Paschall

[QUOTE]However, Butler’s play has been flat-out [URL="https://kslsports.com/469569/jared-butler-breaks-kristaps-porzingis-ankles/"]impressive[/URL] in his two appearances, leading the Jazz in scoring in both games, and doing so with the type of efficiency you don’t traditionally see in rookie guards.

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don't know about rookies but you don't see it from 6th man of the year or even best player in franchise history

[QUOTE]But, the fact remains that between Donovan Mitchell, Mike Conley, Joe Ingles, and Jordan Clarkson, there aren’t a lot of minutes in the rotation for a guy like Butler unless Snyder can get creative.

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if they were smart which they aren't they'd be looking to trade Clarkson right now for a starting 4 or tax relief and assets

[QUOTE]First, Snyder can play a three-guard lineup which he has done at times in the preseason by rolling out Mitchell, Butler, and Clarkson in the backcourt with Royce O’Neale and Hassan Whiteside in the frontcourt.

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Mitchell and Clarkson. Shit show

[QUOTE]The Jazz also started the last game with Forrest, Clarkson, and guard Miye Oni on the floor, hinting again at a willingness to perhaps experiment with smaller lineups and providing room for five guards to see the floor.

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Oni with 6'11 wingspan and him and Forrest defend

[QUOTE]Second, though I’m a firm believer that Ingles is best with the ball in his hands, he has the size and experience to move up and play in the Jazz frontcourt if needed, operating as a backup forward rather than strictly as a guard.

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he's not a 4. He's a one that can play the 2 and 3

[QUOTE]Ultimately, we’ve seen Snyder show a real willingness to adjust the team’s rotation to account for his most talented players, as he did for both Mitchell and Gobert as they proved their value on the floor early in their careers.

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he hasn't shown it the past two years and it's been costly

[QUOTE]It’s early for Butler, butt’s not crazy to believe that he could be in the conversation for one of the nine most talented players on the Jazz team. If that’s the case, Snyder will find a spot for him in the rotation.

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not much doubt. Too bad he didn't go to Duke
[QUOTE]
[INDENT] Do Jordan Clarkson’s teammates like playing with him? He seems to be well liked by the other guys, but I can see how it might be frustrating playing with him when he gets tunnel vision.

— Horace (@h0racethoughts) [URL="https://twitter.com/h0racethoughts/status/1446563433642545152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]October 8, 2021[/URL]
[/INDENT][/QUOTE]

When he does? He always does. I wouldn't want to play with him or Mitchell. Hard enough to watch their selfish play

[QUOTE]I think it’s fair at points to watch Clarkson dominate a possession and wonder if his teammates end up frustrated by standing on the perimeter, sometimes wide open, only to see the guard put up an unnecessarily difficult shot.

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the guy that made the most 3's on the team is their worst shooter!

[QUOTE]“A barrage of points just out of nowhere […] you literally throw the ball to him and he makes something happen. He’s making other teams over help, drawing two defenders.”

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that would be great if he passed out of a double team but it just makes it even more likely he'll throw up a brick

[QUOTE]So to answer the question, in addition to the players loving him off the floor, I think they really like playing with him on the floor. He carries a big weight, and with that, he probably wastes a couple of possessions a game with less than ideal efficiency.

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A Couple? He was awful most of the year after a hot start

[QUOTE][INDENT] Let’s imagine the jazz are going to need to get through the lakers, the Suns and the nets (perhaps all 3) to win a title and that somehow none of those teams have major injuries in the playoffs. Somehow we beat them all. How did we do it? Who grew? What was better than last year?

— JazzTahYou (@JohnRandak) [URL="https://twitter.com/JohnRandak/status/1446577436502593536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]October 8, 2021[/URL]
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Snyder is fired. Clarkson is traded. Mitchell gets his teammates invilved and plays D. They get a starting 4

[QUOTE]As for their Finals run, they beat a Lakers team without Anthony Davis, a Denver Nuggets team without Jamal Murray, then a Los Angeles Clippers team without Kawhi Leonard

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did what they were supposed to do. Take care of business. Jazz didn't

[URL]https://kslsports.com/469640/12-new-jazz-front-office/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Little attention however was paid to the fact that the Jazz lacked enough adequate defenders elsewhere on the roster to give Snyder and Gobert the tools needed to make their roles more successful.

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that's all we've heard and from the little we saw they had several options which COTY refused to even try despite Favors, Niang and Oni doing nothing. Ersan should have been playing. Probably starting

[QUOTE]Likewise, Snyder has proven that he’s among the top head coaches in the league and is capable of putting a team in a position to succeed.

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he hasn't really though

[QUOTE]Zanik has long rumored to like forward Rudy Gay as an option for the Jazz and found a way to land the savvy veteran in his first season at the helm. Though it’s only been two games, Butler looks like the team’s best draft pick since trading for Donovan Mitchell in 2017.

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not saying much

[QUOTE]How Eric Paschall and Hassan Whiteside will contribute remains to be seen, but reveal a willingness for the team’s front office to bring in players who align the traditional “Jazz DNA” that had been a staple under Lindsey.

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Whiteside certainly doesn't have it. Paschall might but he'd here because of bff status

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/8/22713830/utah-jazz-insiders-newsletter-veterans-stay-engaged-even-when-resting[/url]

[QUOTE]During timeouts Gobert took Bolden to the side and gave him pointers, [URL="https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/12/7/22158571/quin-snyder-nba-utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-derrick-favors-donovan-mitchell"]Jazz head coach Quin Snyder[/URL] called Fitts over and explained plays and gave him tips, and Mitchell was often the first player on his feet, cheering on the young prospects and calling out coverages.

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Mitchell probably isn't the guy that should be calling out defenses :facepalm

[QUOTE]It’s hard to believe that it’s been three years since the [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2019/10/10/20908159/jeff-green-hoping-his-unselfish-play-propels-jazz"]Jazz signed forward Jeff Green[/URL] in the offseason, hoping that he would be able to give the team more versatility and depth. Instead, Green never really worked out for the Jazz after his 2019 signing and was eventually [URL="https://www.deseret.com/sports/2019/12/23/21036208/utah-jazz-jeff-green-sign-rayjon-tucker-from-nba-g-league"]waived by the team[/URL] before the season was halfway over.

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and they still don't have a starting 4

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/08/utah-jazz-rudy-gobert-best-center/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]Utah Jazz: Is Rudy Gobert the best center in franchise history?[/h][/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE]His lack of offensive ability simply didn’t matter for an attack that was built around Stockton and Malone’s historic pick-and-roll chemistry. Ostertag’s role was to bully opposing players, and protect the rim, and he did each exceedingly well.

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and hit the offensive glass

[QUOTE]Big Al Jefferson could have had an opportunity to rank higher on this list, if he hadn’t spent a mere three seasons as a member of the Utah Jazz. He may, in fact, be the best offensive center in Utah Jazz history.

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an inefficient black hole :facepalm

[QUOTE]Furthermore, the Jazz were not a very competitive club over the course of Jefferson’s stay. In his debut season, they went 36-30 in a lockout-shortened 2010-11, squeaking into the playoffs only to suffer a first round elimination. They would miss the playoffs in each of his next two seasons. Surely, Jefferson’s shaky rim protection didn’t do the team any favors.

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his offense probably hurt them more

[QUOTE]Jefferson narrowly gets the nod over Ostertag because ultimately, offense is more important than defense. It’s simply difficult to say that Greg Ostertag was a better basketball player than Al Jefferson with a straight face.

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one of the best offensive rebounders and shot blockers in the game or an inefficient black hole? Easy choice for me

[QUOTE]Throw Mehmet Okur into the modern NBA, and his floor-spacing could juice a quality NBA offense. Pair him with a defensive-minded power forward, and it’s not hard to imagine him earning starter minutes in 2021.

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likely a back up because of D

[QUOTE]Here at the J-Notes, we’ve already [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/09/02/utah-jazz-mark-eaton-awarded/"]spilled considerable ink[/URL] in [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/08/13/utah-jazz-time-teams/"]the name of the late[/URL], great [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/09/10/utah-jazz-underrated-players-history/"]Mark Eaton[/URL]. There are three reasons for that. The first is his recent, tragic passing. The second is that the NBA offseason is an ideal time for reflection on the franchise’s history, which Eaton was a very significant part of. The third, and most important reason, is that Mark Eaton was absolutely incredible.

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he sucked

[QUOTE]In fact, it’s a two man race, with Mark Eaton being the only other center in the team’s history worth consideration for the honor. Defensively, the two all-time greats are remarkably comparable. Each sports a career Defensive Rating of 100, although it’s worth noting that Gobert’s career, of course, is ongoing. Gobert has certainly never sniffed a blocks per game average in the vicinity of 5.6 per game, but again, raw counting stats do not necessarily reflect a player’s entire value.

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Rich Kelly

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz will enter the 2021-22 season with fantasies of the Larry O’Brien trophy, and deservingly so. However, hopefully they can find some moments for somber appreciation of the fact that they’re watching the best center in the franchise’s history, as well.

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watching the 3rd best player in franchise history and it's not close

Sarah Todd: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Bojan Bogdanovic was a full participant in practice with the Jazz yesterday and today[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NBASarah"]Twitter NBASarah[/URL]




Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jordan Clarkson said Jazz practices have been very physical this season, with several players winding up with bloody lips, or scratches and scrapes.[/URL] He lifted up his shirt at one point to reveal a long scratch mark, noting, “Even my tattoos can’t cover that.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]






Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jordan Clarkson on how the @Utah Jazz are approaching the regular season. “We’ve got to break it down 20 games at a time, five games at a time, one game at a time.”[/URL] #takenote | @kslsports
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]






Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Told of Rudy Gay’s proposed “G Papi” nickname, Jordan Clarkson laughed and said, “I ain’t calling no grown man ‘Papi’!”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert, who has sat out both of the Jazz’s first two preseason games, says he sees pros and cons to preseason play. He said he’d personally like to play on Monday,[/URL] but he also trusts the coaching staff’d decision, and said he’s getting plenty of run in practices.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

[QUOTE] Marc Stein: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Warriors say they have waived Langston Galloway[/URL].

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine"]Twitter TheSteinLine[/URL]


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he'd be worth looking at

Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Hassan Whiteside said the @Utah Jazz are a uniquely close group. Mentioned the team’s group chat being different than a lot of teams he’s played for[/URL]. Said Mitchell and Gobert are different than he expected before joining the team.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]





Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Hassan Whiteside, on his practice battles with Rudy Gobert: “We beat the hell out of each other during the day, and then we play Call of Duty together at night.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/10/utah-jazz-3-goals-bogdanovic-2021-22/4/[/url]

[QUOTE]If the first goal in this slide was a pipe dream, and the second was too modest, this one feels like a solid compromise. If Bogdanovic was able to post a career high in assists per game in the 2021-22 season, it could provide his Utah Jazz with a tremendous boost.

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no it wouldn't. He's a horrible passer and dribbler. Best if he just catches and shoots off the bench instead of Clarkson ideally

In the midst of Utah Jazz fans being frustrated over the lack of ability to stream games during the upcoming season, [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/11/22720624/utah-jazz-announce-game-streaming-option"]the team on Monday announced a second option to do just that. “In the coming days,” fuboTV, a streaming service that emphasizes sports, will start carrying AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain, the television home of the Utah Jazz,[/URL] NHL’s Vegas Golden Knights and MLB’s Colorado Rockies. The announcement said it will first launch in Utah and Nevada and “the surrounding areas” and expand in the future.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/10/11/22720624/utah-jazz-announce-game-streaming-option"]Ryan McDonald @ deseret.com[/URL]

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2021/10/11/22720873/att-sportsnet-has-announced-a-partnership-with-fubotv-to-stream-utah-jazz-games[/url]

[QUOTE]The release from AT&T Sportsnet said the streaming will be available in the coming days and so Jazz fans wanting this option may need to be a little patient, but the [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com"]Utah Jazz[/URL] deserve some credit here. Even though this isn’t a perfect solution, it is something. The ownership group before Ryan Smith created a lot of this mess with not much foresight in the deals they made. And they did next to nothing to make the situation better. Smith, and the Jazz, have obviously been working to improve the situation for Jazz fans who have been clamoring for this option, especially after Dish Network and [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/2021/10/1/22705062/dish-network-has-dropped-att-sportsnet-and-the-utah-jazz-streaming-option"]AT&T Sportsnet recently ended their relationship.[/URL] It remains to be seen what the future is for watching Jazz basketball for Jazz fans but this is a step in the right direction. You can bet the partnership with AT&T Sportsnet will be something to watch this year and we’ll see if another contract is signed.

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Smith extended the deal

[QUOTE] Marc Stein: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Kosta Koufos, the 11-year veteran NBA center, is signing with the Ignite select team in the @nbagleague,[/URL] league sources say. Koufos had multiple European offers but will join the Ignite instead.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine"]Twitter TheSteinLine[/URL]

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cool. Big fan

[QUOTE] Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Bojan Bogdanovic: “I feel great. Obviously, I had a little shoulder problem. I’m not 100%, but I’m healthy and I feel great. I’m excited to play tonight.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

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not 100%? Excuses already?

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2021/10/10/22720153/utah-jazz-play-first-preseason-home-game-against-the-new-orleans-pelicans-donovan-mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]It's a great problem to have. But finding Butler some minutes and touches when everyone is playing will be tough. There are Mike's 13 shots a game when he sits. I still think if he does explode he should get his minutes and touches from JC and if possible we trade JC for a more 3 and D guy who doesn't need the ball so much, JC was great when our bench was crap but now we can put good players on the court for the whole 48 minutes by staggering our rotations. Our biggest weakness is still another strong wing defender. We have enough offense when everyone is healthy.[/QUOTE]

someone gets it. Clarkson is the obvious weak link besides the coach. Need a starting 4 still

[QUOTE]"If Quin Snyder isn’t willing to make tough decisions to make that happen, the front office will have to."

This is the most important sentence by Hansen.



Although I like Q but I am willing to part ways with him if he remains stubborn.

1) He needs to find mins for promising younger players (Butler and next Hughes)

2) He needs to learn to adjust the system and read the floor

3) He should not add so much wear on tear on starting line up by playing them tons of mins such as full squad on mode with 2 mins remaining while we are up by 20.
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If guys earn minutes they need to play. Hughes hasn't proven he belongs even in the Gleague yet and for that matter neither has Butler though he certainly looks like a great reason to dump Clarkson on some dumb fool!

[QUOTE]Snyder has been willing to play rookies or young players in the past when those players show they can contribute. How many of UTA's young/development players have left the team and found major minutes with a new franchise (I honestly don't know but my guess is not many)? If the players can't earn minutes, it's usually for a reason.



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he's played guys in the past regardless besides the last two years when apparently he was trying to get the Wizard fired. Not sure if any of them deserved to play when they did
[INDENT]3) He should not add so much wear on tear on starting line up by playing them tons of mins such as full squad on mode with 2 mins remaining while we are up by 20.
[/INDENT][QUOTE]UTA's deep bench has been really terrible for several seasons. If those players can't hold their own against opposing teams' deep benches, there's little reason to believe those players would do better with more minutes against even better competition.

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and yet every year we hear how deep they are! :roll:


[QUOTE]The Jazz greatly overachieved last season, as they have every season under Quin.

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all I know is they beat LAC and Denver the last two years if Snyder makes adjustments

[QUOTE]No, that's not what I'm saying. You can criticize Coach Q all you want. I've criticized him as well. My analysis wasn't meant to say that he is perfect. It is meant to show that he has done more with less than any other coach in the league (looking strictly at draft position). [/QUOTE]

says more about Gobert who they've never done anything without

[QUOTE]Sure, the FO should get some credit, and of course the players should get a lot of credit, but so should the coach. Does anyone think that Gobert would be as impactful under any other coach? Or Jingles? We saw that Clarkson had his best season after going to Utah, and Conley had nearly his best season at age 33. [/QUOTE]

Gobert worked to get where he is. Other rim runners and rim protectors in the league so yes I see no reason why he wouldn't still be great. Ingles is a 40% shooter. Again he put in the work. Ultimate team guy. Not hard to see him doing it elsewhere. Clarkson sucks. Conley got to play with Gobert so yes great season. Nothing new. Hill, Rubio...

[QUOTE]And maybe me bitching on a fan site is pointless and maybe no one from the fo cares what the fans think. But believe it or not, ownership cares about fans opinions. They don't care what I think on a individual level, but if the sentiment among fans is that last year was wildly unacceptable and people need to be held accountable, they'll hear it if we make enough noise.[/QUOTE]

as we saw with Sloan to most fans they can do little wrong

[QUOTE]He deserves credit for hiring some good assistants like Jensen and Bryant who are are more involved in the day-to-day player development and the players seem to really give a lot of credit to.


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and weren't they both already here? Bryant was for sure

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/11/ringer-compares-utah-jazz-nba-champions/[/url]

[QUOTE]Devine touches on many of the talking points that, as Jazz specialists, we’ve been harping on for months here at the J-Notes. Most notably, he opinions that [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/10/recent-utah-jazz-pain-5-years/"]Rudy Gay[/URL] at the 5 formations could be an effective counter to the sorts of 5-out lineups that ultimately sunk the Jazz in the Western Conference semi-finals this season.

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could be so could Ersan have been. Same coach same problem

[QUOTE]As Devine notes, those are difficult assignments for the 6’4, 225-pound Royce O’Neale. For all of his defensive IQ and general toughness, he’s simply too small to be expected to handle some of the NBA’s more physically imposing forwards on a consistent basis.

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yet he starts at the 4 for the 3rd straight year! :facepalm

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/the-finally-balanced-jazz-eye-contention-after-years-of-pendulum-swings/[/url]

[QUOTE]Dennis Lindsey, who recently ended his 9-year tenure as Utah’s general manager when he stepped down in June, was the mastermind largely responsible for the team the Jazz developed over years of moves and decisions that culminated in a top seeded team last year.[/QUOTE]

got lucky with Gobert. What else did he do?


[QUOTE]Ricky Rubio was brought in to be a playmaker to replace George Hill (who had a fantastic season, maybe one of his career best, despite playing only half the season). Rubio, however, is not a three-point threat. The dual-big frontcourt of Derrick Favors and Rudy Gobert exacerbated some of those spacing problems.

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made no sense. Wasted two more years of Gobert's prime

[QUOTE]A team lacking consistent 3-point ability missed too many important shots, and we saw night after night where defenses clogged the paint as a result. Utah still made it a successful season with their rookie leading the way, ultimately reaching the second round. But the holes were glaring. They were obvious and they pushed the pendulum up and to the right (in the worst way).

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the rookie that had them closer to the worst record in the league than the playoffs until Gobert came back to carry them or another one?

[QUOTE]From there, the objective seemed clear. Fix the offensive and spacing issues and hope Gobert’s singular talent as a paint protector would be enough to anchor another top 5 defense. In other words, the pendulum swung back the other way.

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swung too far. Now the D needs help and a starting 4

[QUOTE]The Jazz added Bojan Bogdanovic and Mike Conley to replace a pair of non outside-shooting starters. They acquired Jordan Clarkson mid-season to add shooting and dynamism to their bench. But once again, this swing brought its own costs and overcorrections. Favors, who had been filling in in most of the backup center minutes behind Gobert in addition to his 10 or so nightly minutes at PF, left for New Orleans. This constituted a big step back for the second-team defense.

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too bad Clarkson can't shoot

[QUOTE]But the pendulum swung too far: offense improvements came at the expense of the the defense. The Gobert-led defense was still phenomenal in the center’s minutes, but the non-Rudy minutes were a disaster on that end. Conley was still adjusting to the team, Donovan was still growing as a player.

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those minutes have never been good despite all the talk of them not losing anything with Favors in

[QUOTE]With that balance finally achieved, another hole became obvious in the Jazz’s series against the LA Clippers: the lack of rotation flexibility prevented the Jazz from stopping the 5-out strategy used in the second-round[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/the-finally-balanced-jazz-eye-contention-after-years-of-pendulum-swings/#note-1"][SUP]1[/SUP][/URL].

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they had plenty of flexibility. Just didn't have a coach to make the changes needed

[QUOTE]Each season, the problems were identified and addressed. Each time, the team got better and more balanced — even if it wasn’t always immediately clear in the record or postseason outcomes. And each time, the pendulum swing needed to zero in on championship contention was slightly smaller. This time around, they’ll bring back the top seven players from a rotation that produced elite offensive and defensive results, complemented by flexible and versatile end-of-rotation pieces.

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still waiting for them to get a starting 4, a new coach and new 6th man

[url]https://kslsports.com/469900/karl-malone-announces-partnership-with-utah-food-bank/[/url]

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/11/utah-jazz-rudy-gobert-working-new-weapon/[/url]

not what they need. Be nice if he could hit the mid range when he has the ball on the dribble hand off or the short hook on occasion. Get him the ball when he has a smaller guy on him for starters

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2021/10/11/utah-jazz-fifth-best-odds-championship/[/url]

[QUOTE]WynnBet has the Jazzmen’s title odds a +1400, which leaves them behind only the Brooklyn Nets (+225), Los Angeles Lakers (+375), Milwaukee Bucks (+900), and Golden State Warriors (+1000).

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not worried about the Lakers of the Nets

Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler has a non-COVID illness and will not play tonight[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

[url]https://kslsports.com/469925/jazz-starters-look-ready-for-regular-season-vs-pelicans/[/url]

[QUOTE]After proving to be one of the deadliest offensive weapons in the NBA over the last several postseasons, Mitchell hinted that there may still be room to grow on the defensive side of the ball.

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from not playing any D to playing some? Obviously there's room

[QUOTE]“I think he doesn’t realize what you can do defensively if he puts his mind to it,” Gobert said of his All-Star teammate.

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he's never put his mind to it

[QUOTE]It's really hard to replicate what Rudy Gobert does on the floor. Going to take a little time for him to find that rhythm.

— Ben Anderson (@BensHoops) [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops/status/1447742628221517825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]October 12, 2021[/URL]

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like never?

[QUOTE]“Rudy’s pretty unique,” Snyder said of his superstar center. “Hassan has that same type of length and I think those are plays that I know we want him to make and that he wants to make and is capable of making”

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asking way too much

[QUOTE]Sixth Man of the Year Jordan Clarkson replaced Bogdanovic eight minutes into the game while Eric Paschall subbed in for Mitchell with two and a half minutes left in the opening frame.

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you'd think you might want to play Mitchell and his bff together

[QUOTE]Paschall’s minutes will likely belong to Rudy Gay once he returns from offseason heel surgery, but the former Golden State Warriors forward made the most of his minutes in his first game at Vivint Arena. The third-year forward scored 14 points on 6-7 shooting and was a bench high +15 in 16 minutes for the rehabbing Gay.

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he can score. His shot is ugly. Clarkson is expendable

[QUOTE]The Jazz were without rookie Jared Butler who missed the game due to a non-COVID illness. In his absence, second-year two-way guard Trent Forrest was the Jazz 10th man but had to leave the game after slipping and hitting his head in the first half.

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he looked more like the 9th man and Paschall the 10th. I'm guessing they might play even smaller with Butler