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[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553940]This guy calling people casuals and then in the same discourse saying Morant doesn't get enough double doubles and triple doubles:roll: can't make this shit up[/QUOTE]
Again, when compared to the likes of embiid or jokic. You nutball. Maybe you can try to read properly next time?
[QUOTE=Axe;14554079]Again, when compared to the likes of embiid or jokic. You nutball. Maybe you can try to read properly next time?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Axe;14553892]you don't see this kid average double-doubles on a regular basis. Let alone a triple-double[/QUOTE]
You discovered that Morant isn't a center. Congratulations.
Such a dingus.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14554047]MVP isn't a who took the biggest step award. Guys like Nash and Rose win when there's not a clear case for the better players. Jokic and others have clear statistical dominance over morant and have a clear case. Morant simply doesn't have a case over any of them. Period.[/QUOTE]
Lebron and Howard had a clear case over Rose. Kobe and Shaq (he repeats this ad infinitum) had a clear case over Nash. Statistical dominance is only one factor, context is everything.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14554106]You discovered that Morant isn't a center. Congratulations.
Such a dingus.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that one of the main reasons why both of those men (embiid or jokic) have been top mvp candidates for sometime now? And if westbrook can average triple-doubles, then why can't morant do the same thing frequently? What a moron. Please quit smoking meth will ya.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14554108]Lebron and Howard had a clear case over Rose. Kobe and Shaq (he repeats this ad infinitum) had a clear case over Nash. Statistical dominance is only one factor, context is everything.[/QUOTE]
Context is jokic and embiid have lead teams without another all star to a 50 win pace so far. In embiids case, once they added harden they have a legit shot at the 1 seed
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14554127] In embiids case, once they added harden they have a legit shot at the 1 seed[/QUOTE]
To me, if Embiid needs Harden to overtake Miami, that's not a positive.
Who's Morant's All-Star teammate? He's led his team to a better record than Denver, Philly, and Milwaukee.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14554133]To me, if Embiid needs Harden to overtake Miami, that's not a positive.
Who's Morant's All-Star teammate? He's led his team to a better record than Denver, Philly, and Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
he doesnt have an all star teammate either but his whole team is competent as in every rotation piece is a clear net positive and jackson and bane are very good this year, both likely better than say wiggins who was an all star. Denver has likely only 1 guy who's that good in aaron gordon, embiid had maybe 2 in maxey and curry before he was traded(harris has been bad).
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14554047] Guys like Nash and Rose win when there's not a clear case for the better players.[/QUOTE]
Nash won averaging 15.5 ppg and 10.5 assists. Lebron averaged 27-7-7, Kobe averaged 27-6-6, that's not a clear cut case?
MVP should go to one of Giannis/Jokic/Embiid but I think Morant is top 4-5 for sure
I can see an MVP in the future but I think he's a little too small for that to be an easy prediction, it'll be tough to have that ideal season where things are going extremely well for him and not so well with the dominant bigs and big guards/wings he'll be competing with. It's largely a narrative award
But that kind of scenario allowed AI/Nash/Rose/Steph/Westbrook to win the award at their size as well, so it's possible
Just won't be this season
[QUOTE=Mr.GOAT2408;14554182]MVP should go to one of Giannis/Jokic/Embiid but I think Morant is top 4-5 for sure
I can see an MVP in the future but I think he's a little too small for that to be an easy prediction, it'll be tough to have that ideal season where things are going extremely well for him and not so well with the dominant bigs and big guards/wings he'll be competing with. It's largely a narrative award
But that kind of scenario allowed AI/Nash/Rose/Steph/Westbrook to win the award at their size as well, so it's possible
Just won't be this season[/QUOTE]
Not only that. Those big guys are capable of averaging double-doubles regularly or sometimes, triple-doubles also. I know they're able to achieve that mostly because of their position and size but others seem to overlook that when they're bringing up smaller players. Like the case here with morant.
Memphis up 40 without the MVP :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tontoz;14557466]Memphis up 40 without the MVP :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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Casuals really are clueless when they came rooting for him itt.
[QUOTE=Axe;14557482]:roll:
Casuals really are clueless when they came rooting for him itt.[/QUOTE]
It really is disrespectful to the Memphis coaching staff and the other players because they are not dependent on Ja to win but that has been the narrative the has been created.
13-2 now lmao
[QUOTE=insight;14557543]It really is disrespectful to the Memphis coaching staff and the other players because they are not dependent on Ja to win but that has been the narrative the has been created.[/QUOTE]
True. What the casuals don't realize as well is that grizz current hc, none other than taylor jenkins, was a former assistant coach of mike budenholzer in two teams not more than five years ago. His coaching prowess is making the team flourish rn with what seems the right pieces they currently have to put them with the other contenders in the west. That's why their excellent record without the flashy ja morant should never be easily overlooked, especially after that blowout win against the pacers earlier.
For the Anti-Morant parade:
13-3. Only 5 of the 13 were above .500. One of those teams is the Clippers(36-35). Two of the 13 wins(Dallas and Blazers they also lost to as well without Morant.)The 13 wins without Morant total record is 371-405(.478) without including the Kings(25-45) twice, which would make it 396-450(.468).
[QUOTE=justin43;14557791]For the Anti-Morant parade:
13-3. Only 5 of the 13 were above .500. One of those teams is the Clippers(36-35). Two of the 13 wins(Dallas and Blazers they also lost to as well without Morant.)The 13 wins without Morant total record is 371-405(.478) without including the Kings(25-45) twice, which would make it 396-450(.468).[/QUOTE]
Indy's 33 pt loss is their worst of the season.
They have been consistently competitive game after game. Their previous game they lost to the Hawks, who have been on a roll, by only 3. Previous to that they beat the Spurs and lost by only 3 to the Cavs.
10 of the Griz wins without Morant have been by double digits. One of their wins was by 73 points :oldlol: against OKC.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202112020MEM.html[/url]
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14552934]Out of nowhere, the Grizzlies are now the 2nd seed in the West. Philly and Milwaukee have taken steps backwards from last year, and Harden will take votes from Embiid now that they're taking off. It's between Embiid and Morant. The fact that Memphis has come out of nowhere tells me Morant will win MVP if everything holds as is right now. If they go on a losing streak and Philly continues to win it will be Embiid.[/QUOTE]
Great player, not an MVP. Sorry.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14557799]Indy's 33 pt loss is their worst of the season.
They have been consistently competitive game after game. Their previous game they lost to the Hawks, who have been on a roll, by only 3. Previous to that they beat the Spurs and lost by only 3 to the Cavs.
10 of the Griz wins without Morant have been by double digits. One of their wins was by 73 points :oldlol: against OKC.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202112020MEM.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Still a bad team that the Grizzlies especially with Dillion Brooks(2nd best scorer before injury) back should beat. Destroying bad sub .500 teams means nothing in regards to how good the Grizzlies are without Morant. OKC is a very bad team. But keep that false narrative going.
[QUOTE=justin43;14557894]Still a bad team that the Grizzlies especially with Dillion Brooks(2nd best scorer before injury) back should beat. Destroying bad sub .500 teams means nothing in regards to how good the Grizzlies are without Morant. OKC is a very bad team. But keep that false narrative going.[/QUOTE]
Funny how they had their worst loss of the year against the Griz without the "MVP". Such a wild coincidence that they have been consistently competitive all season but then suddenly collapse against the Griz.
[QUOTE=justin43;14557894]Still a bad team that the Grizzlies especially with Dillion Brooks(2nd best scorer before injury) back should beat. Destroying bad sub .500 teams means nothing in regards to how good the Grizzlies are without Morant. OKC is a very bad team. But keep that false narrative going.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the game last night? How many games have you watched when Memphis played without Ja? They are a good team PERIOD and well coached with or without Ja. They handed the Pacers their worse loss all season and they didn't even have their 2nd ball handler plus their DEFENSIVIVE rating is MUCH HIGHER when Ja doesn't play.
Those are the facts.
That doesn't mean Ja is a great player or Memphis is better without Ja it just means they are a good team with or without him.
This season 21-22 (as of this posting)
Ja morant
Double/triple-doubles in last 10 games played: 2
Team record without him: 13-2
Joel embiid
Double/triple-doubles in last 10 games played: 7
Team record without him: 4-8
Nikola jokic
Double/triple-doubles in last 10 games played: 10
Team record without him: 2-5
Yeah keep grasping at straws man
Ja "mvp" morant with 29 points on a double-digit loss against the hawks without trae young :roll:
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Sweet mother of god are we actually gonna win this
So the grizzlies were able to trounce the rockets in double digits earlier without morant, what say you sorry ass casuals? :durantunimpressed:
The guy should never really be included in the mvp conversations to begin with.
The rockets are the worst team in the league you doofus.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14560582]The rockets are the worst team in the league you doofus.[/QUOTE]
So per your comical standards, that doesn't count too? How convenient scumbag.
The nets are the latest victims of the grizzlies without the "MVP"
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Fvcking insane that the Grizzlies have a 15-2 record without Morant.
:oldlol:
You’d have to be an utter moron to think Morant is anywhere near an MVP. 15-2 lmao
Where are the freak ass casuals now huh? Why avoid this shitty thread as time goes on? This is the epitome of ultimate thread backfire. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Axe;14562507]Where are the freak ass casuals now huh? Why avoid this shitty thread as time goes on? This is the epitome of ultimate thread backfire. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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"My momma told me, dingus is as dingus does."
[QUOTE=Full Court;14552937]Morant has my vote. Embiid and Jokic both deserve it too, but I'm pulling for Morant all the way.[/QUOTE]
Classic. A guy who said Wilt had empty stats but still has him #3 all time, votes for a guy who's team is 15-2 without him. But for some odd reason he hates LeBron for "empty stats".
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Itt, Ignorapoopus once said.
[Quote][i]Morant has my vote. Embiid and Jokic both deserve it too, but I'm pulling for Morant all the way.[/i][/quote]
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14562515]Classic. A guy who said Wilt had empty stats but still has him #3 all time, votes for a guy who's team is 15-2 without him. But for some odd reason he hates LeBron for "empty stats".
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Poor kiddo is not even man enough to admit he's made a mistake or that he was wrong. Instead, he tries to deflect desperately so it can favor his deluded agenda. Like that last game between the lakers and the warriors where the lakers won without ad while kong scored 56.
'Bu-but warriors defense without donkey'
Saw the game score and knew this thread was gonna get a bumpin.
Who the hell are these Grizzlies? I've honestly never even heard of most of the guys in their rotation, and they're piling wins left and right even without the one household name they do have.
This year's playoffs shapin up to be some of the best in a long time. I just pray to God there are no serious injuries between now and then.
Ofc if God wants to make an exception for Westbrook, I mean it's his call.
I'm not askin for it or anything, I'm just saying.
His choice.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14562515]Classic. A guy who said Wilt had empty stats but still has him #3 all time, votes for a guy who's team is 15-2 without him. But for some odd reason he hates LeBron for "empty stats".
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You seem incapable of any context outside of raw numbers.
They beat a bunch of garbage teams without Morant. If you think the Grizzlies would be anywhere near where they are now without Morant, you're beyond lost.
And Morant is not an empty stats guy. He leads his team to wins. If you're implying that Morant is empty stats, then I question that you actually understand basketball.
[QUOTE=Axe;14562517]Poor kiddo is not even man enough to admit he's made a mistake or that he was wrong. Instead, he tries to deflect desperately so it can favor his deluded agenda. Like that last game between the lakers and the warriors where the lakers won without ad while kong scored 56.
'Bu-but warriors defense without donkey'[/QUOTE]
You poor, sad dingus.
It must really hurt watching your hero Bronie barely making the play-in this year. :lol
Full Retard struggles to open doors.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14562543]You seem incapable of any context outside of raw numbers.
[B]They beat a bunch of garbage teams without Morant.[/B] If you think the Grizzlies would be anywhere near where they are now without Morant, you're beyond lost.
And Morant is not an empty stats guy. He leads his team to wins. If you're implying that Morant is empty stats, then I question that you actually understand basketball.[/QUOTE]
They just beat the Nets with KD & Kyrie.
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Morant is the difference between a playoff team and a championship contender. Grizzlies are defense, coaching and Morant. if they are so good, their best player deserves MVP by common criteria. Unless some idiot here thinks Morant somehow makes them worse:lol