3ball, why can LeBron win with Irving, but KD can't?

[QUOTE=John_Connor;14584399]kyrie has some random hot performances but he's always trash on defense. he doesn't have a team full of defenders and bail out three ball specialists anymore like in Cleveland.. he also doesn't have a weak ass eastern conference for a free trip to the finals anymore either


kyrie is a product of a weaker inferior 2010s era when the only guy standing in lebron and kyries way was Lance Stephenson


things are different now[/QUOTE]



Boom

Times change - it isn't a weak conference anymore

Imagine if Tatum joined forces with Embiid and Siakam - that would destroy the East again by taking out 2 contenders - that's what Lebron did with Wade & Bosh.. It weakened an [i]already[/i] historically-weak East

[QUOTE=3ba11;14584400]Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is[/QUOTE]

kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14584419]kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.[/QUOTE]

Boom

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14584419]kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.[/QUOTE]


You're comparing 3 games to an entire series

Thru 3 games, KD is doing better than Lebron's last 3 games (21 on 34%)

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14584340]Because Covid didn't happen in 2015. Had Covid happened in 2015 what would have happened to Cavs?[/QUOTE]

Hello is this on!

[QUOTE=3ba11;14584431]You're comparing 3 games to an entire series

Thru 3 games, KD is doing better than Lebron's last 3 games (21 on 34%)[/QUOTE]

hurrr, "Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is"

keep backtracking you desperate fat freak.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14584436]hurrr, "Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is"

keep backtracking you desperate fat freak.[/QUOTE]


The only reason the Cavs lost a 2-1 lead is because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games (worse than current Durant)

Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14584441]Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.[/QUOTE]


Jordan never played like Durant is now..

[QUOTE=8Ball;14584441]Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.[/QUOTE]

1-9

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14584135]Durant just averged 30ppg on 52%/28%/90% along with 7.4rpg and 6.4apg

Yes he is fully recovered and back to normal. He just is choking.[/QUOTE]

Word

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14584447]1-9[/QUOTE]


Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....And more DPOY votes every year except 96'

Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or a threat for elite stats in any offensive category.

Everyone that won multiple chips needed juggernaut scoring help (all-time elite scorers at sidekick), except MJ..

[QUOTE=3ba11;14584453]Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....[B]And more DPOY votes every year except 96'[/B]

Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or a threat for elite stats in any offensive category.

Everyone that won multiple chips needed juggernaut scoring help (all-time elite scorers at sidekick), except MJ..[/QUOTE]

wrong again, fatboy.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1997.html[/url]

and they tied in 92. lol guy is so full of shit it's embarrassing.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1992.html[/url]

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Kyrie thinking to himself “It was never this difficult with Lebron” with all due respect
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[QUOTE=Johnny32;14584456]and they tied in 92. lol guy is so full of shit it's embarrassing.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1992.html[/url][/QUOTE]


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[INDENT][SIZE=5]DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)[/SIZE][/INDENT]


[B]93' Jordan was clearly viewed as the Bulls' best defender, and even the LEAGUE'S:[/B]

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQsS3oifM&t=02m47s[/url]


[B]Here's the exchange in the 91' Finals between Marv Albert and Mike Fratello when MJ gets his 2nd foul in Game 2:[/B]


[indent]ALBERT: [I]Do you stay with Jordan on Johnson?[/I]

FRATELLO: [I]There's [U]no question[/U] that he's the best guy to play Magic Johnson, but maybe you pick and choose when you put him on Magic..."[/I]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8l6oM6Jeg&t=12m23s[/url][/indent]


[B]^^^ this sentiment was echoed by the NBA in the Bulls' Championship Video:[/B]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=35m03s[/url]

lol kyrie's been trash since gm 1 too though. he probably shouldn't have missed 50+ games this season over a stupid shot because of team chemistry and shit kind of matters in a team sport.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14584453]Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....[B]And more DPOY votes every year except 96'[/B][/QUOTE]

you were wrong...again. and you're desperately backtracking...again. dude is so pathetically stupid he's actually boring me.

LeIgnored.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14584469]you were wrong...again. and you're desperately backtracking...again. dude is so pathetically stupid he's actually boring me.

LeIgnored.[/QUOTE]


The facts have been posted [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584466&viewfull=1#post14584466]above[/url] and it's clear that MJ was far superior to Pippen in every aspect of the game

3ball getting teabagged in here.

:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14584447]1-9[/QUOTE]

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

game 5 and 6 stats when lebron won his finals MVP over a 73-win team when down 3-1. we dont need to talk about game 7 stats we already know about the GOAT nba game-7 performer's resume.


meanwhile 3ball: "buh... buh... kyrie"



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Lebron clearly has a better brand of ball. Or whatever

It is nice to see that you compare Lebron with Durant or Kobe, Duncan, Curry etc.

I think I can say with relative certainty that this Celtic team with prime versions of Tatum and Brown is better than any team LeBron ever faced out east besides the 2008 Celtics.

The only player LeBron ever faced in the playoffs over his entire career out east that was on tatums level was 08 KG. And he got curb stomped by him.

[QUOTE=tpols;14584700]I think I can say with relative certainty that this Celtic team with prime versions of Tatum and Brown is better than any team LeBron ever faced out east besides the 2008 Celtics.

The only player LeBron ever faced in the playoffs over his entire career out east that was on tatums level was 08 KG. [B]And he got curb stomped by him[/B].[/QUOTE]

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I[/video]

Yea...ok

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584725][video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I[/video]

Yea...ok[/QUOTE]
tpols is legitimately the least knowledgeable poster on the forum. Yeah, LeBron was dreadful the first half of the series, but they took the Celtics to the limit where he dropped 45 on them in Game 7. If LeBron got curb stomped how would be describe what happened to Kobe :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14584728]tpols is legitimately the least knowledgeable poster on the forum. Yeah, LeBron was dreadful the first half of the series, but they took the Celtics to the limit where he dropped 45 on them in Game 7. If LeBron got curb stomped how would be describe what happened to Kobe :lol[/QUOTE]

Kobe didn't have a 4-game stretch of shooting 25% while turning the ball over ~6 times a game in the Finals. Stop it. he had 27/5/6/3 3.3 TOV 43.2%FG through the first 4 games and they were still down 1 - 3 while Bran's team was tied 2 - 2 and could have been up 3 - 1 if he was just a little better than 2/18 with 10 TO in that 4-point Game 1 loss. Cavs won 3 games with Bran shooting below 40% in all of them.

KG outplayed Bran in the semis, just admit it. You don't have to bring Kobe into this.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584725][video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I[/video]

Yea...ok[/QUOTE]


Lebron averaged 26 on 35% in the 2008 2nd Round and was 100% shut down - a worst-ever performance

Were you aware of this before you posted that basic one-legger?

Lebron embarrassed himself in that series and the Cavs' defense kept them in it . then he was curb-stomped again in 2010 - he lost by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games in an epic upset loss

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584725][video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I[/video]

Yea...ok[/QUOTE]

LeBron shot on 35/23/76 in that series. He got absolutely owned by KG and that defense. These are facts bro. I'm using numbers for the whole series while you're cherrypicking.

[QUOTE=tpols;14584742]LeBron shot on 35/23/76 in that series. He got absolutely owned by KG and that defense. These are facts bro. I'm using numbers for the whole series while you're cherrypicking.[/QUOTE]

You’re cherry-picking shooting splits and ignoring anything else that might have happened. Bro

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584789]You’re cherry-picking shooting splits and ignoring anything else that might have happened. Bro[/QUOTE]

:biggums:

You have to hold the L on this one bro. You can't defend 35% shooting from the floor, 23% from deep and 75% from the line with a ton of turnovers. He had a horrible series. Are you seriously disagreeing with that? Am I gonna defend 2004 Kobe or 2016 Currys Finals performances? No. They played badly. It is what it is.

Name a team that LeBron faced in the East playoffs that was on par with prime Tatum Brown Celtics. Ill wait. The 2015 Hawks? 2011 Bulls? The Craptors? Who you got?

[QUOTE=tpols;14584793]:biggums:

You have to hold the L on this one bro. You can't defend 35% shooting from the floor, 23% from deep and 75% from,the line with a ton of turnovers. He had a horrible series. Are you seriously disagreeing with that? Am I gonna defend 2004 Kobe or 2016 Currys Finals performances? No. They played badly. It is what it is.

Name a team that LeBron fa ed in the East playoffs that was on par with prime Tatum Brown Celtics. Ill wait. The 2015 Hawks? 2011 Bulls? The Craptors? Who you got?[/QUOTE]

I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584794]I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping[/QUOTE]

The fact that Lebrons team could carry him to an almost win while he produced that horribly is only proof that he had more help than people realized. Superstars rarely win with that type of production. It was all time bad. The fact that you are defending a blatantly terrible series is quite telling. LeBron wasn't even a good defender back then. His offense was 90% of his impact.

But again... name the team he faced out east on par with this Celtic team. Better yet... name a 1st round opponent he ever faced as good as this Celtic team. :oldlol: This is relevant context to the premise of this thread.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584794]I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.[/QUOTE]
He also claimed the Bulls got curb stomped by the Knicks in '94 :lol

[QUOTE=tpols;14584795]The fact that Lebrons team could carry him to an almost win while he produced that horribly is only proof that he had more help than people realized. Superstars rarely win with that type of production. It was all time bad. The fact that you are defending a blatantly terrible series is quite telling. LeBron wasn't even a good defender back then. His offense was 90% of his impact.

But again... name the team he faced out east on par with this Celtic team. Better yet... name a 1st round opponent he ever faced as good as this Celtic team. :oldlol: This is relevant context to the premise of this thread.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you just parrot narratives and don’t actually analyze anything.

Check what Paul Pierce did in that 2-18 game Lebron had. Check who was guarding him.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584800]I feel like you just parrot narratives and don’t actually analyze anything.

Check what Paul Pierce did in that 2-18 game Lebron had. Check who was guarding him.[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt any impact stats support LeBron not being a good defender in 2008 either lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14584794] they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.[/QUOTE]


You just described how the Cavs' defense kept them in the series despite a bed-wetting Lebron (26 on 35%)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14584815]You just described how the Cavs' defense kept them in the series despite a bed-wetting Lebron (26 on 35%)[/QUOTE]

It was a slow-paced, poor shooting series from both teams.

Lebron scored 27..the second leading scorer for the Cavs had 12 (on 42%). That’s worse than Pippen ever did. So he wasn’t carried to shit.

This is not about Irving or Durant.
Tatum is just too good... This playoff is his superstardom coming out party.