Imagine bragging about a 30-30 record in a historically weak conference.
Individually, LeBron blew Wizards MJ out of the water last season.
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Imagine bragging about a 30-30 record in a historically weak conference.
Individually, LeBron blew Wizards MJ out of the water last season.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646514]Imagine bragging about a 30-30 record in a historically weak conference.
Individually, LeBron blew Wizards MJ out of the water last season.[/QUOTE]
there's no minimum game limit I take it?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646507]And who on MJ's team wasn't dogshit?
I would take Westbrook, Monk and Carmelo over any of the next guys on the 02 Wizards after Hamilton.[/QUOTE]
2022 Melo & Westbrook, lol really? Both are net negatives at this point of their careers. Good riddance. 2022 Melo was one of the worst defenders I've ever seen, no lie.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646517]2022 Melo & Westbrook, lol really? Both are net negatives at this point of their careers. Good riddance. 2022 Melo was one of the worst defenders I've ever seen, no lie.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, really. Are you going to act like Chris Whitney, Popeye Jones, Jahidi White and the rest of those scrubs were net positives? Lmaooooooo
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646514]Imagine bragging about a 30-30 record in a historically weak conference.
Individually, LeBron blew Wizards MJ out of the water last season.[/QUOTE]
2022 Lebron is so significantly better than old decrepit 2002 Wizards MJ that he went 26-31 to MJ's 30-30 with a better roster. :roll:
The 2022 Western Conference teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per game than the historically all-time weak 2002 Eastern Conference teams. Very impressive. :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646517]2022 Melo & Westbrook, lol really? Both are net negatives at this point of their careers. Good riddance. 2022 Melo was one of the worst defenders I've ever seen, no lie.[/QUOTE]
2022 Melo won a scoring title, 2022 Westbrook already had won a league mvp and is the all time leader in triple doubles. Also Dwight Howard who beat Lebron without HCA is a 3x DPOY.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd)
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646513]I'd take Hamilton over Westbrick any day.[/QUOTE]
What about AD? :roll:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646507]And who on MJ's team wasn't dogshit?
I would take Westbrook, [B]Monk and Carmelo over any of the next guys on the 02 Wizards after Hamilton. And Westbrook and Hamilton may as well be equals. [/B]PLUS Lebron had AD for half of the season. The rest are toss ups. Let's not act like the 02 Wizards were anything more than a bunch of certified scrubs.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Ok, you're actually retarded, I didn't realize what I was dealing with. Westbrook was arguably the least valuable player in the NBA last year. Carmelo is maybe the worst defender in the league, he's a big negative most of the time. How did LeBron have AD for half the season when LeBron missed a lot of time too? :lol
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14646513]I'd take Hamilton over Westbrick any day.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook won league mvp and is the all time leader in triple doubles.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646520]2022 Lebron is so significantly better than old decrepit 2002 Wizards MJ that he went 26-31 to MJ's 30-30 with a better roster. :roll:
The 2022 Western Conference teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per game than the historically all-time weak 2002 Eastern Conference teams. Very impressive. :lol[/QUOTE]
MJ had a 47 TS% in '02 when the league average was 52%. Not to mention he wasn't much of a playmaker, he was nothing more than a chucker on many nights.
Compare that to LeBron who averaged 30 points on 62 TS% and gave you his usual playmaking skills.
It isn't even close to be honest.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646519]Yeah, really. Are you going to act like Chris Whitney, Popeye Jones, Jahidi White and the rest of those scrubs were net positives? Lmaooooooo[/QUOTE]
Chris Whitney had a 1.8 BPM and a TS% significantly above league average, completely comparable to Monk. Westbrook is about as useful as benchwarmers yes, did you watch him play at all? :lol
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14646521]2022 Melo won a scoring title, 2022 Westbrook already had won a league mvp and is the all time leader in triple doubles. Also Dwight Howard who beat Lebron without HCA is a 3x DPOY.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd)[/QUOTE]
38 year old washed up decrepit MJ really led his group of Wizard scrubs to a better record than Lebron did his Lakers who were a top 2 Finals favorite? Say it ain't so lmaoooo
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646525]:roll: :roll: :roll:
Ok, you're actually retarded, I didn't realize what I was dealing with. Westbrook was arguably the least valuable player in the NBA last year. Carmelo is maybe the worst defender in the league, he's a big negative most of the time. How did LeBron have AD for half the season when LeBron missed a lot of time too? :lol[/QUOTE]
It's obvious he doesn't follow today's NBA, he thinks Tatum is better than Luka, lol.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646527]MJ had a 47 TS% in '02 when the league average was 52%. Not to mention he wasn't much of a playmaker, he was nothing more than a chucker on many nights.
Compare that to LeBron who averaged 30 points on 62 TS% and gave you his usual playmaking skills.
It isn't even close to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Also wouldn't Doug Collins be considered a much better coach than Vogel? The Lakers would have been mediocore regardless but Vogel cost them probably about 10+ games with his stupidity.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646531]It's obvious he doesn't follow today's NBA, he thinks Tatum is better than Luka, lol.[/QUOTE]
Lmao WHAT
Jordan is the only one who 3 peated in this group and did so twice for the franchise that drafted him that never won prior to him arriving without ever playing with a guy who won league mvp or finals mvp.
That version of MJ couldn't even beat a random dude in 1 on 1.
[video=youtube;5B7U74Dg04k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k&t[/video]
LeBron in his exhibition game was dropping 40+ vs much better players than John Rogers. :lol
[video=youtube;CAJ8hY84_S8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAJ8hY84_S8[/video]
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646528]Chris Whitney had a 1.8 BPM and a TS% significantly above league average, completely comparable to Monk. Westbrook is about as useful as benchwarmers yes, did you watch him play at all? :lol[/QUOTE]
Chris Whitney :roll::roll: I guarantee you don't even know who he is and never even watched a minute that he played.
Reaves, Monk, Ellington, and Anthony all had TS% over league average. So what?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646527]MJ had a 47 TS% in '02 when the league average was 52%. Not to mention he wasn't much of a playmaker, he was nothing more than a chucker on many nights.
Compare that to LeBron who averaged 30 points on 62 TS% and gave you his usual playmaking skills.
It isn't even close to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, so how did MJ who was significantly worse than Lebron, lead the Wizards to a better record than Lebron led the Lakers to in 2022 when on top of that MJ had a worse or at best equal supporting cast?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646540]Chris Whitney :roll::roll: I guarantee you don't even know who he is and never even watched a minute that he played.
[B]Reaves, Monk, Ellington, and Anthony all had TS% over league average. So what?[/B][/QUOTE]
And MJ had below average TS%.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646524]What about AD? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Big Dantley fan. Not sure I'd want him on my team though
[QUOTE=theman93;14646540]Chris Whitney :roll::roll: I guarantee you don't even know who he is and never even watched a minute that he played.
Reaves, Monk, Ellington, and Anthony all had TS% over league average. So what?[/QUOTE]
He had a 1.8 BPM. No one the Lakers besides LeBron, Davis or Sekou Doumboya (who played 16 total minutes) even had a 0.0 BPM, everyone else was negative :lol
Are you acting like Malik Monk wasn't considered a complete ****ing scrub before he played with LeBron? Dude couldn't get time on the ****ing Hornets :yaohappy:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646541]Interesting, so how did MJ who was significantly worse than Lebron, lead the Wizards to a better record than Lebron led the Lakers to in 2022 when on top of that MJ had a worse or at best equal supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
Bad fits. Westbrook ruined the team. Vogel was a terrible offensive coach, Melo was atrocious on defense etc.
By your logic, '09 & '10 LeBron > '88 & '89 MJ since LeBron led his team to a better record without having much of a cast.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646525]:roll: :roll: :roll:
Ok, you're actually retarded, I didn't realize what I was dealing with. Westbrook was arguably the least valuable player in the NBA last year. Carmelo is maybe the worst defender in the league, he's a big negative most of the time. How did LeBron have AD for half the season when LeBron missed a lot of time too? :lol[/QUOTE]
2022 Westbrick had a higher TS% than Hamilton did in 02. Hamilton also had a worse DBPM than 2022 Westbrick. Remind me how great Hamilton was again in 02? Rofllllllllllllll
[QUOTE=theman93;14646541]Interesting, so how did MJ who was significantly worse than Lebron, lead the Wizards to a better record than Lebron led the Lakers to in 2022 when on top of that MJ had a worse or at best equal supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
Coaching and variance. Doug Collins also didn't insist on starting Tyronn Lue and letting him shoot 20 times a game, which would be the equivalent of Vogel with Westbrook. You can't honestly think MJ was better at that point, dude was completely done.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646545]He had a 1.8 BPM. No one the Lakers besides LeBron, Davis or Sekou Doumboya (who played 16 total minutes) even had a 0.0 BPM, everyone else was negative :lol
Are you acting like Malik Monk wasn't considered a complete ****ing scrub before he played with LeBron? Dude couldn't get time on the ****ing Hornets :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
Are you acting like the 2002 Wizards weren't also complete scrubs? :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646547]2022 Westbrick had a higher TS% than Hamilton did in 02. Hamilton also had a worse DBPM than 2022 Westbrick. Remind me how great Hamilton was again in 02? Rofllllllllllllll[/QUOTE]
Did he have a worse TS% relative to the league average? Not even close he was only a little below league average while Westbrook was massively below league average. DPBM has been criticized by its own creators as inaccurate, and both Hamilton and Whitney good OBPMs.
Coach thinking that 33 y.o. WB is the same as prime WB is hilarious af.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646547]2022 Westbrick had a higher TS% than Hamilton did in 02. Hamilton also had a worse DBPM than 2022 Westbrick. Remind me how great Hamilton was again in 02? Rofllllllllllllll[/QUOTE]
Only one problem there, Westbrook had a 51.2 TS%, when league average TS% was 56.6
Rip had a 51.1 TS% when league average was 52%.
So Rip was around league average while Westbrook was well below league average.
Try again.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646550]Are you acting like the 2002 Wizards weren't also complete scrubs? :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Like 1987 said, "By your logic, '09 & '10 LeBron > '88 & '89 MJ since LeBron led his team to a better record without having much of a cast."
The concept of team record completely reflecting a player's value is one championed by feeble minded people.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646555]Only one problem there, Westbrook had a 51.2 TS%, when league average TS% was 56.6
Rip had a 51.1 TS% when league average was 52%.
So Rip was around league average while Westbrook was well below league average.
Try again.[/QUOTE]
He's extremely dimwitted.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646546]Bad fits. Westbrook ruined the team. Vogel was a terrible offensive coach, Melo was atrocious on defense etc.
By your logic, '09 & '10 LeBron > '88 & '89 MJ since LeBron led his team to a better record without having much of a cast.[/QUOTE]
Doug Collins was also not a good coach. The 02 Wizards also were bad fits. They also had atrocious defenders. Every excuse for Lebron in 2022 Jordan has in 2002.
As for 09/10 Lebron vs 88/89 MJ, they were close. However 02 MJ and 22 Lebron allegedly aren't close at all. Yet somehow MJ did more with less while being a worse player. :lol
[QUOTE=RRR3;14646556]Like 1987 said, "By your logic, '09 & '10 LeBron > '88 & '89 MJ since LeBron led his team to a better record without having much of a cast."
The concept of team record completely reflecting a player's value is one championed by feeble minded people.[/QUOTE]
Lebron had Ben Wallace who won as the only allstar on the team that won it all and was a 3x DPOY. He had Shaq who had 3x finals mvp's and a league mvp. Both times lost with HCA.
MJ hadn't had someone who won league mvp or finals mvp or DPOY.
[QUOTE=theman93;14646559]Doug Collins was also not a good coach.[/QUOTE]
Lmao maybe you should try telling 3ball that. :kobe:
[QUOTE=theman93;14646559]Doug Collins was also not a good coach. The 02 Wizards also were bad fits. They also had atrocious defenders. Every excuse for Lebron in 2022 Jordan has in 2002.
[B]As for 09/10 Lebron vs 88/89 MJ, they were close[/B]. However 02 MJ and 22 Lebron allegedly aren't close at all. Yet somehow MJ did more with less while being a worse player. :lol[/QUOTE]
They're close even though LeBron won way more games with a similar cast? By your own logic LeBron was easily better.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646538]That version of MJ couldn't even beat a random dude in 1 on 1.
[video=youtube;5B7U74Dg04k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k&t[/video]
LeBron in his exhibition game was dropping 40+ vs much better players than John Rogers. :lol
[video=youtube;CAJ8hY84_S8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAJ8hY84_S8[/video][/QUOTE]
LMAO pulling desperation card like this is funny as sh*t
[QUOTE=theman93;14646547]2022 Westbrick had a higher TS% than Hamilton did in 02. Hamilton also had a worse DBPM than 2022 Westbrick. Remind me how great Hamilton was again in 02? Rofllllllllllllll[/QUOTE]
wonderful! I wouldn't want him on my team anyway. The fact that anyone thought he was a good idea on the Lakers is hilarious! Who said Hamilton was great?
[QUOTE=theman93;14646559]Doug Collins was also not a good coach. The 02 Wizards also were bad fits. They also had atrocious defenders. Every excuse for Lebron in 2022 Jordan has in 2002.
[B]As for 09/10 Lebron vs 88/89 MJ, they were close.[/B] However 02 MJ and 22 Lebron allegedly aren't close at all. Yet somehow MJ did more with less while being a worse player. :lol[/QUOTE]
No, by your logic LeBron was clearly superior. :lol
And next time adjust for league average TS% if you want to compare that stat across eras without looking clueless.
You're welcome
Lebron had Ben Wallace who won as the only allstar on the team that won it all and was a 3x DPOY. He had Shaq who had 3x finals mvp's and a league mvp. Both times lost with HCA.
MJ hadn't had someone who won league mvp or finals mvp or DPOY nor HCA.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14646569]No, by your logic LeBron was clearly superior. :lol
And next time adjust for league average TS% if you want to compare that stat across eras without looking clueless.
You're welcome[/QUOTE]
Haters are generally incapable of consistency.