Stats that prove MJ is the GOAT

[QUOTE=red1;14665703]lebron was the best player in 8 finals.

2011 is a proven anomaly easily explained by the new role of sharing the ball.


he won the next two finals MVPs in a row and was the best player in the next 8 NBA finals. :lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]

Bullshit he was, KD outplayed LeBron

And anomaly or whatever excuse you can come up with, MJ never had a bad series, forget about a Finals series on that cluster**** of bad by Bran 2011. Figuring out your new role doesn't excuse him from going ghost in 4th quarter after 4th quarter, even Wade tried to shake him from his beta stupor :facepalm and this was well into Bran's prime, no excuses.

Not my GOAT

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665729]Bullshit he was, KD outplayed LeBron[/QUOTE]

no he didnt. absolutely not. the cavs drove themselves crazy running around chasing curry. kd was the recipient of open shot after open shot. meanwhile bron and kyrie had to hard-carry the first year and in 2018 they didnt even have a chance with the amount of scrubs the cavs fielded vs the warriors. it was 1 on 5 with lebron going against the warriors.

kd didn't outplay bron either time. yeah he hit some big shots but the warriors were going to smoke the cavs regardless. they had the 3 best 3-point shooters in the league on the same team in kd klay and curry and had a stacked defensive team with iggy dray and klay.


you're wrong. everyone had lebron as the best in the world right after BOTH series. it literally pissed kd off that no one cared that he won.


lebron was the best in the world hands down from 2012-2018.

[QUOTE=red1;14665731]no he didnt. absolutely not. the cavs drove themselves crazy running around chasing curry. kd was the recipient of open shot after open shot. meanwhile bron and kyrie had to hard-carry the first year and in 2018 they didnt even have a chance with the amount of scrubs the cavs fielded vs the warriors. it was 1 on 5 with lebron going against the warriors.

kd didn't outplay bron either time. yeah he hit some big shots but the warriors were going to smoke the cavs regardless. they had the 3 best 3-point shooters in the league on the same team in kd klay and curry and had a stacked defensive team with iggy dray and klay.


you're wrong. everyone had lebron as the best in the world right after BOTH series. it literally pissed kd off that no one cared that he won.


lebron was the best in the world hands down from 2012-2018.[/QUOTE]

Nope, stop rewriting history. KD outplayed Bran, he won FMVP. There is precedent in the NBA Finals for the best player in the Finals being from the losing team. In your biased eyes, Bran was the Finals best player...everyone else without a dog in this fight saw KD hitting dagger after dagger to put it away, in LeBron's face no less.

Maybe you can convince your kids otherwise, you ain't convincing us who saw those series in real time.

[QUOTE=red1;14665731]no he didnt. absolutely not. the cavs drove themselves crazy running around chasing curry. kd was the recipient of open shot after open shot. meanwhile bron and kyrie had to hard-carry the first year and in 2018 they didnt even have a chance with the amount of scrubs the cavs fielded vs the warriors. it was 1 on 5 with lebron going against the warriors.

kd didn't outplay bron either time. yeah he hit some big shots but the warriors were going to smoke the cavs regardless. they had the 3 best 3-point shooters in the league on the same team in kd klay and curry and had a stacked defensive team with iggy dray and klay.


you're wrong. everyone had lebron as the best in the world right after BOTH series. it literally pissed kd off that no one cared that he won.


lebron was the best in the world hands down from 2012-2018.[/QUOTE]
High IQ post. TheMan so angry he's gonna have to look at pics of his cousin to calm down.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14665738]High IQ post. TheMan so angry he's gonna have to look at pics of his cousin to calm down.[/QUOTE]

I actually think you're better than this, stupid post coming from someone claiming that post was high IQ :lol

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665751]I actually think you're better than this, stupid post coming from someone claiming that post was high IQ :lol[/QUOTE]
What he said was mostly true, he just exaggerated it to make you mad.

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665735]Nope, stop rewriting history. KD outplayed Bran, he won FMVP. There is precedent in the NBA Finals for the best player in the Finals being from the losing team. In your biased eyes, Bran was the Finals best player...everyone else without a dog in this fight saw KD hitting dagger after dagger to put it away, in LeBron's face no less.

Maybe you can convince your kids otherwise, you ain't convincing us who saw those series in real time.[/QUOTE]

dude I was there. lebron was a workhorse like no other. best in the world every series. better than kd in the regular season postseason and finals.


better than EVERY player no debate from 2012-2018. 8-years in a row. go look at the GM voting those summers.




leGOAT.

KD was better than Lebron in the 2017 Finals and they were neck and neck in the 2018 Finals. Lebron definitely didn't come out of either of those series looking clearly better than Durant. KD rightfully got the blame for joining a 73-win team but his level of play in both of those finals was stupendously high.

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;14665657]*during the weakest NBA decade[/QUOTE]
Lol

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665805]KD was better than Lebron in the 2017 Finals and they were neck and neck in the 2018 Finals. Lebron definitely didn't come out of either of those series looking clearly better than Durant. KD rightfully got the blame for joining a 73-win team but his level of play in both of those finals was stupendously high.[/QUOTE]
LeKong was obviously better in 2018 only because of the scrubs he had in his team; they have a paltry record in the rs without him. Kyrie wasn't there to share some load anymore while kevin love has become unreliable by that time. The rest are pretty meh. I'm not sure why those aren't brought up whenever someone mentions the carry-job he did four years ago. Because his numbers wouldn't be insane if he had useful teammates bt.

[QUOTE=red1;14665703]lebron was the best player in 8 finals.

2011 is a proven anomaly easily explained by the new role of sharing the ball.


he won the next two finals MVPs in a row and was the best player in the next 8 NBA finals. :lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]

He wasn't the best player in 8 finals. But that aside, you dodged my question about how many finals did Jordan choke.

I'll go ahead and answer it for you.

[B][SIZE=5]NONE.[/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665805]KD was better than Lebron in the 2017 Finals and they were neck and neck in the 2018 Finals. Lebron definitely didn't come out of either of those series looking clearly better than Durant. [/QUOTE]

Yet almost everyone would agree he was/is better. KD had very little pressure compared to the guy you hate.

[QUOTE=Axe;14665807]LeKong was obviously better in 2018 only because of the scrubs he had in his team; they have a paltry record in the rs without him. Kyrie wasn't there to share some load anymore while kevin love has become unreliable by that time. The rest are pretty meh. I'm not sure why those aren't brought up whenever someone mentions the carry-job he did four years ago. Because his numbers wouldn't be insane if he had useful teammates bt.[/QUOTE]

In terms of who was the better player taking the whole season and playoffs into account the majority of people would side with Lebron myself included but my post was about the finals specifically.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665805]KD was better than Lebron in the 2017 Finals[/QUOTE]

We know that's how you feel, you even tried to rig 2017 playoff voting for KD despite LeBron getting more votes.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665845]In terms of who was the better player taking the whole season and playoffs into account the majority of people would side with Lebron myself included but my post was about the finals specifically.[/QUOTE]
No doubt. And he'd be the unanimous fmvp had the cavs somehow won that series instead.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665805]KD was better than Lebron in the 2017 Finals[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://images4.imagebam.com/76/58/be/MEEBKWW_o.jpg[/IMG]

Terry Cummings was better than jordon in the 1985 first round.
Adrian Dantley was better than jordon in the 1988 ECF.
Nick Anderson was better than jordon in the 1995 second round.

[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14665883][IMG]https://images4.imagebam.com/76/58/be/MEEBKWW_o.jpg[/IMG]

Terry Cummings was better than jordon in the 1985 first round.
Adrian Dantley was better than jordon in the 1988 ECF.
Nick Anderson was better than jordon in the 1995 second round.[/QUOTE]

This is why you aren't taken seriously and considered a terrible poster, well actually you're considered to be quite stupid...the video stated that MJ was never outscored in any playoffs series he was involved in except his first as a rookie and by one point by Terry Cummings.

1988 ECSFs Adrian Dantley 18.6 pts pg, 50% FG, 2.6 asts and 5 rebs

Micheal Jordan 27.4 pts pg, 49% FG, 4.6 asts and 8.8 rebs

Just looking at those stats at first glance only an idiot would come to the conclusion that Dantley had a better series.

1995 ECSFs Nick Anderson 15.2 pts pg, 44% FG, 2.3 asts and 4.3 rebs

Micheal Jordan 31 pts pg, 47% FG, 3.7 asts and 6.5 rebs

Again, just simply looking at those stats, only a retarded knuckledragger like you would come to the conclusion that Anderson had a better series. And I didn't even mention the defensive side of the ball, no serious person would claim those two were better than MJ, in particular Dantley.

You flat out lied, you post shit that's not true hoping people won't notice. In a serious forum you would've been banned long ago.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14665825]He wasn't the best player in 8 finals. But that aside, you dodged my question about how many finals did Jordan choke.

I'll go ahead and answer it for you.

[B][SIZE=5]NONE.[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

jordan choked off the court by getting himself suspended and then coming back rusty 95.



lebron was the best player in 8 finals. I'm sorry I cant give 2017 to kd.

kyrie is great.

kd was playing with curry AND klay - the two best shooters in the league

AND he had iggy and dray defending for him.


that is way too stacked and is literally the starting western conference all-star team, and the same exact roster that won 73 games and came 1 shot short of winning the ring without him the year before.


lebron would've swept kd and kyrie if their roles were reversed and he joined the 2016, 73-win warriors to play against kd and kyrie. :oldlol:


at least lebron and kyrie took a game off the 73 win warriors plus KD which is what the 2017 warriors were. :oldlol:




it would be laughable :roll:

[QUOTE=red1;14665919]jordan choked off the court by getting himself suspended and then coming back rusty 95.



lebron was the best player in 8 finals. I'm sorry I cant give 2017 to kd.

kyrie is great.

kd was playing with curry AND klay - the two best shooters in the league

AND he had iggy and dray defending for him.


that is way too stacked and is literally the starting western conference all-star team, and the same exact roster that won 73 games and came 1 shot short of winning the ring without him the year before.


lebron would've swept kd and kyrie if their roles were reversed and he joined the 2016, 73-win warriors to play against kd and kyrie. :oldlol:


at least lebron and kyrie took a game off the 73 win warriors plus KD which is what the 2017 warriors were. :oldlol:




it would be laughable :roll:[/QUOTE]

This is nonsense, anyone can play that game.

Wilt would have beaten Russell had you switched sides! Wilt with all those HOFers Russell had would be unfair! MJ would've beaten Bird if they switched sides! MJ with, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ etc vs Bird with cokehead Woolridge, lol MJ would've annihilated Bird from the face of the Earth!!! LMAO!

It's a nonsensical argument...only thing your point proves is that your boy tried colluding, and KD bested him there, he colluded better :lol

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665925]This is nonsense, anyone can play that game.

Wilt would have beaten Russell had you switched sides! Wilt with all those HOFers Russell had would be unfair! [/QUOTE]

How do you know this? From about 1965-1969 Wilt had a similar or better cast than Russell and only beat him one time during that span.

How do you explain Wilt having Jerry West playing out of his mind in 1969 and still lose to old Russell who is past his prime? :lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14665926]How do you know this? From about 1965-1969 Wilt had a similar or better cast than Russell and only beat him one time during that span.

How do you explain Wilt having Jerry West playing out of his mind in 1969 and still lose to old Russell who is past his prime? :lol[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's a tough one but my point stands, you can't complain about switching sides, it's nonsensical.

[QUOTE=red1;14665919]jordan choked off the court by getting himself suspended and then coming back rusty 95.



lebron was the best player in 8 finals. I'm sorry I cant give 2017 to kd.

kyrie is great.

kd was playing with curry AND klay - the two best shooters in the league

AND he had iggy and dray defending for him.


that is way too stacked and is literally the starting western conference all-star team, and the same exact roster that won 73 games and came 1 shot short of winning the ring without him the year before.


lebron would've swept kd and kyrie if their roles were reversed and he joined the 2016, 73-win warriors to play against kd and kyrie. :oldlol:


at least lebron and kyrie took a game off the 73 win warriors plus KD which is what the 2017 warriors were. :oldlol:




it would be laughable [/QUOTE]

Ohhhhhhh, Jordan choked OFF the court. :roll:

And that's what Bronies have to resort to in trying to prop up their hero. :lol

:lebroncry:

[video=youtube;OFs16GWXT_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w[/video]

In terms of winning a championship, Lebron's teams were 1st in preseason odds 7 times (2011-2016, 2021) and 2nd another 5 times (2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022). And they only have 4 titles to show for it. Lebronies can cry as much as they want. Facts are facts. A lot of this "tough competition narrative" was created after the fact. 2011 Mavs weren't that good. The 2014 Spurs weren't getting any all-time great talk until they annihilated the Heat and the series was considered a coin toss by Vegas oddsmakers. The Mavs took those Spurs 7 games and OKC with an injured Ibaka took them 6 games. 2015 is pretty much a pass because of injuries but that's the only year. The 2017 and to a lesser extent 2018 Warriors were legitimately a pretty insane team but Lebron's Cavs were also quite good especially in 2017 and they got obliterated. It's not so much that they lost but how they lost. Even those two series if you look at the predictions the Cavs were supposed to last 6 games. Maybe if Lebron (and his teammates) played some defense they could have.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665940]In terms of winning a championship, Lebron's teams were 1st in preseason odds 7 times (2011-2016, 2021) and 2nd another 5 times (2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022). And they only have 4 titles to show for it. Lebronies can cry as much as they want. .[/QUOTE]


Only person crying was you when you got called out for rigging the 2017 Playoff MVP voting.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14665943]Only person crying was you when you got called out for rigging the 2017 Playoff MVP voting.[/QUOTE]

Oh yea I cried myself to sleep :oldlol:

Damn. LeBron stans getting smacked up, left and right. :oldlol: You can bring up context, and the fact KD stacked decks. I wouldn't argue with you. But technically KD did out perform LeBron in those finals. Their late game & 4th quarter play is why KD wins the comparison, albeit not by much.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14652411]Kawhileonard2 also makes intelligent posts at times, vote counted[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[QUOTE=dankok8;14665940]In terms of winning a championship, Lebron's teams were 1st in preseason odds 7 times (2011-2016, 2021) and 2nd another 5 times (2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022). And they only have 4 titles to show for it. Lebronies can cry as much as they want. Facts are facts. A lot of this "tough competition narrative" was created after the fact. 2011 Mavs weren't that good. The 2014 Spurs weren't getting any all-time great talk until they annihilated the Heat and the series was considered a coin toss by Vegas oddsmakers. The Mavs took those Spurs 7 games and OKC with an injured Ibaka took them 6 games. 2015 is pretty much a pass because of injuries but that's the only year. The 2017 and to a lesser extent 2018 Warriors were legitimately a pretty insane team but Lebron's Cavs were also quite good especially in 2017 and they got obliterated. It's not so much that they lost but how they lost. Even those two series if you look at the predictions the Cavs were supposed to last 6 games. Maybe if Lebron (and his teammates) played some defense they could have.[/QUOTE]

Overrating of the 2014 Spurs is one of the biggest ones. You'll find LeBron stans using revisionist history a lot, like their HOF'er arguments for NBA finals, and in this case, the Spurs.

A lot of it is because Kawhi dominated games 3-5 in that finals, but previously, how was Kawhi playing for the entirety of that playoffs, before games 3-4-5 of the finals?

'14 Kawhi: 20 games | 12.9 PPG | 6.4 RPG | 1.6 APG | 1.7 STLS| 0.4 BLKS | 56.5 TS%

We always hear about the ages of players but apparently facing a Celtics team in 2011 that was aging doesn't count.

KG: 34
Allen: 35
Pierce: 33
Shaq: 38
J. O'Neal: 33

How about the Spurs? Duncan was 37 and Ginobili was 36. Parker was 31 and declining.

I agree the 2017 Cavs were good talent-wise but not 2018.

[QUOTE=MadDogg;14665945]Damn. LeBron stans getting smacked up, left and right. :oldlol: You can bring up context, and the fact KD stacked decks. I wouldn't argue with you. But technically KD did out perform LeBron in those finals. Their late game & 4th quarter play is why KD wins the comparison, albeit not by much.[/QUOTE]

You can argue KD stacked the deck in 2017 for sure. But LeBron-Wade-Bosh did the same for 2011-2013 at the very least. A lot of people discredit Wade for his 2013 playoffs but forget that that team won 66 games in the regular season, which allowed for HCA throughout the playoffs.

At the same time, if LeBron goes elsewhere, I still think he wins 2-3 titles.

Bran stans are pretty funny on this topic. They laugh at Jeff Hornacek who was a previous All-Star and sharpshooter and what he did against MJ, but 2012 Ray Allen was 36 putting up 12 PPG on 38/35/77 splits in the ECF.

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665925]This is nonsense, anyone can play that game.

Wilt would have beaten Russell had you switched sides! Wilt with all those HOFers Russell had would be unfair! MJ would've beaten Bird if they switched sides! MJ with, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ etc vs Bird with cokehead Woolridge, lol MJ would've annihilated Bird from the face of the Earth!!! LMAO!

It's a nonsensical argument...only thing your point proves is that your boy tried colluding, and KD bested him there, he colluded better :lol[/QUOTE]

those were [U]simple[/U] facts. a 73-win team that was 1 shot short of back-to-back rings added the 2nd best player in the world without losing anything because of leGOAT's historic comeback.


obviously you cant acknowledge simple facts. it goes against your argument. :oldlol:




everyone had lebron as the best in the world after those two stacked warriors rings, period. it pissed kd off more than it annoys you and other baldan stains.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14665936]Ohhhhhhh, Jordan choked OFF the court. :roll:

And that's what Bronies have to resort to in trying to prop up their hero. :lol

:lebroncry:[/QUOTE]

I was saying he choked on the court in 95 because he came back rusty...


because of his choke off the court being a psychotic gambler...

[QUOTE=TheMan;14665663]An era that included Shaq, DRobinson, TDuncan, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton and MJ...yeah I'll put those up against any era, bro. You Bronies have an agenda to discredit MJ because straight up comparing MJ to LeBron, MJ has better per game stats, regular season and playoffs, y'all go by longevity stats and discrediting his competition because frankly that's all you have. He accomplished more than Bran in less time, fact.[/QUOTE]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
You Jordan gurglers immediately go into knee jerk overdrive. Nobody said there wasn’t talent in the 90s. There is always talent.
However, the 90s were an era of unprecedented expansion. Expansion that was lopsided to the Eastern conference. That invariable leads to thinning of the talent. It’s undeniable.
To claim otherwise is inane.

Do you think Jordan QUIT, or was SUSPENDED?

[QUOTE=red1;14666079]I was saying he choked on the court in 95 because he came back rusty...


because of his choke off the court being a psychotic gambler...[/QUOTE]

Jordan in '95 averaged 29.3 against Orlando.

Bronie in 2011 averaged 17.8 against Dallas.

One of these "chokes" is not like the other.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14666071]Overrating of the 2014 Spurs is one of the biggest ones. You'll find LeBron stans using revisionist history a lot, like their HOF'er arguments for NBA finals, and in this case, the Spurs.

A lot of it is because Kawhi dominated games 3-5 in that finals, but previously, how was Kawhi playing for the entirety of that playoffs, before games 3-4-5 of the finals?

'14 Kawhi: 20 games | 12.9 PPG | 6.4 RPG | 1.6 APG | 1.7 STLS| 0.4 BLKS | 56.5 TS%

We always hear about the ages of players but apparently facing a Celtics team in 2011 that was aging doesn't count.

KG: 34
Allen: 35
Pierce: 33
Shaq: 38
J. O'Neal: 33

How about the Spurs? Duncan was 37 and Ginobili was 36. Parker was 31 and declining.

I agree the 2017 Cavs were good talent-wise but not 2018.[/QUOTE]

Rat poison for Bronies

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14666071]Overrating of the 2014 Spurs is one of the biggest ones. You'll find LeBron stans using revisionist history a lot, like their HOF'er arguments for NBA finals, and in this case, the Spurs.

A lot of it is because Kawhi dominated games 3-5 in that finals, but previously, how was Kawhi playing for the entirety of that playoffs, before games 3-4-5 of the finals?

'14 Kawhi: 20 games | 12.9 PPG | 6.4 RPG | 1.6 APG | 1.7 STLS| 0.4 BLKS | 56.5 TS%
[/QUOTE]

Judging that team by individual stats is the worst thing you can do. They were one of the best passing teams this league has ever seen, finished the year with 62 wins which was the most in the NBA and had an SRS of 8.0 which was also #1 in the NBA, not to mention a top 3 defense. From about 2012-2014 they were destroying teams despite not having a superstar, I remember their 2012 team sweep a good Clippers team in the 2nd round and every game seemed like a blowout.

[video=youtube;CjadmjleQT8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjadmjleQT8&t[/video]

Everyone acknowledged how great that Spurs team was when they won a title in 2014, they just get kinda overlooked now because the Warriors became even more of a force just a short time afterwards. Not to mention LeBron basically had no help in the Finals that year.

Rat poison for TheMan

There is no indication that the 2014 Spurs were much more than an average championship-level team. Until they of course annihilated the Heat in the finals and then they had to be elevated to save Lebron's legacy. 62 wins and +8 SRS is nothing to write home about. Most champions in history are around there in those metrics.

2014 Spurs ORtg
Regular Season: 110.5
1st Round vs Dallas: 103.1
West Semis vs Portland: 113.1
West Finals vs OKC: 114.4
Finals vs Heat: 120.8 :pimp:

The truth is that in the 2014 Finals Lebron put up nice boxscore stats but had limited impact outside of Game 2 and was just terrible on the defensive end. While he wouldn't by any means take all the blame, he didn't play that well. And for his team to be that putrid defensively... It's a pretty bad look.

In fact the three highest ORtg in Finals history all happened on Lebron's watch...

[QUOTE=dankok8;14666242]There is no indication that the 2014 Spurs were much more than an average championship-level team. Until they of course annihilated the Heat in the finals and then they had to be elevated to save Lebron's legacy. 62 wins and +8 SRS is nothing to write home about. Most champions in history are around there in those metrics.

2014 Spurs ORtg
Regular Season: 110.5
1st Round vs Dallas: 103.1
West Semis vs Portland: 113.1
West Finals vs OKC: 114.4
Finals vs Heat: 120.8 :pimp:

The truth is that in the 2014 Finals Lebron put up nice boxscore stats but had limited impact outside of Game 2 and was just terrible on the defensive end. While he wouldn't by any means take all the blame, he didn't play that well. And for his team to be that putrid defensively... It's a pretty bad look.

In fact the three highest ORtg in Finals history all happened on Lebron's watch...[/QUOTE]

SRS nothing to write home about? For comparison sake the '87 Lakers had an SRS of 8.3, which is similar to the Spurs SRS and many consider them a top 5 team ever. The '85 Lakers had an SRS of 6.48, I'm guessing they weren't a great team as well. '83 Sixers? 7.5 SRS.

We all now know that you're an agenda based poster based on you rigging the 2017 playoff MVP thread against LeBron, I told HoopsNY you held a bias against LeBron, but even I didn't know you would take it this far. The fact that you still show your face here after rigging that voting is embarrassing. And I still haven't gotten a good explanation to why you allowed some obvious troll votes for KD.