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[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;14840592]His IQ on both ends of the floor looks great. The defense is monstrous. The jumper looks nice. Sky's the limit.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. He just has to prove that he can live up to the hype and surpass the 1-9 dad killer as well[url=https://i.ibb.co/hX34jLs/IMG-20221001-103220.jpg].[/url]
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14840610]no one his size has ever stayed healthy and lived up to the hype. The odds are against him. Hopefully he beats the odds[/QUOTE]
He'll be fine. Also hilarious how insecure he makes LeShrivel fans. He's in his rookie year, and he's already got them shook. :roll:
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14840610]no one his size has ever stayed healthy and lived up to the hype. The odds are against him. Hopefully he beats the odds[/QUOTE]
It depends. Although there's some proof that it can happen to someone his build, like his possible future rival in chet holmgren[url=https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg].[/url] [b][size=1](whose thunder team made it to somewhere between the 4th-6th seed of the previous season)[/b][/size]
[QUOTE=Axe;14840665]It depends. Although there's some proof that it can happen to someone his build, like his possible future rival in chet holmgren[URL="https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg"].[/URL] [B][SIZE=1](whose thunder team made it to somewhere between the 4th-6th seed of the previous season)[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
you mean Holmgren who missed last year because of a broken foot? He's only 7'1 not 7'5 or whatever
[video]https://youtube.com/shorts/9MhgOCVCYEQ?si=ThxN-7cUaBMHqBzB[/video]
That's some alien level flexibility. Guy can do a whole split at 7'5. He's like dhalsim from street fighter.
[IMG]https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/11/115901/2109085-dhalsimsfxt.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14840667]you mean Holmgren who missed last year because of a broken foot? He's only 7'1 not 7'5 or whatever[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Holmgren has a short tenure.
Putting on a show vs the Warriors. 12 points and 3 blocks in the first quarter.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14840829]Putting on a show vs the Warriors. 12 points and 3 blocks in the first quarter.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://i.ibb.co/g4tnXnv/IMG-20230626-052542.jpg]:applause:[/url]
I'm too old to fall for hype, and its only preseason but......this guy is making it look way too easy out there. Basically like a 7'4 KD but with DPOY level impact. Challenges everything he's even remotely in the vicinity of, quick enough for switching and gonna have guys hesitate to shoot or have to alter their shot trajectory just to get it over the top. Can easily see him being like All-NBA 2nd team, all star, 25ppg and 4 blocks a game this year.... as a rookie. Shit, I did say I'm too old for hype, right?!
KD isn't the right comparison. Durant doesn't finish plays in the paint as Victor does, nor does he block shots and protect the paint. He's more like a taller and longer Anthony Davis with a better shot. I'm feeling good about my DPOY/blocks leader prediction, as well as San Antonio making the playoffs.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14840847]I'm too old to fall for hype, and its only preseason but......this guy is making it look way too easy out there. Basically like a 7'4 KD but with DPOY level impact. Challenges everything he's even remotely in the vicinity of, quick enough for switching and gonna have guys hesitate to shoot or have to alter their shot trajectory just to get it over the top. Can easily see him being like All-NBA 2nd team, all star, 25ppg and 4 blocks a game this year.... as a rookie. Shit, I did say I'm too old for hype, right?![/QUOTE]
Ha you hyped up one of the best rookie seasons ever.amd made it sound like a normal thing that everyone should get
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14840854]KD isn't the right comparison. Durant doesn't finish plays in the paint as Victor does, nor does he block shots and protect the paint. He's more like a taller and longer Anthony Davis with a better shot. I'm feeling good about my DPOY/blocks leader prediction, as well as San Antonio making the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
AD doesn't cross you over on the perimeter leading into a smooth 18 footer, either. Maybe it's best to say Wemb has elements of both but I dont think AD is any better a comparison, it just depends on what aspects of his skillset we're referring to. Really, so far this guy seems to be a 1 of 1. Nobody has his array of skills at that size, so you would have to look at different players. Saying he's a 7'4 KD isnt meant to be taken literally, because obviously he has an entirely other level on defense that we don't talk about with KD and as you state he will be far more potent as an interior force in terms of finishing plays at the rim, but he also has perimeter elements of his offense that apply more to KD, somewhat similar dribbling style, range and shot mechanics, and that long, wiry frame. That says KD to me more than it does AD. Heck I may be inclined to say he's a 7'4 KD/KG hybrid with shotblock leader talent.
[QUOTE=nayte;14840862]Ha you hyped up one of the best rookie seasons ever.amd made it sound like a normal thing that everyone should get[/QUOTE]
How did you arrive at the conclusion that I'm saying it's a normal thing everyone should get? Genuinely curious because that wasnt what I was trying to convey.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14840864]How did you arrive at the conclusion that I'm saying it's a normal thing everyone should get? Genuinely curious because that wasnt what I was trying to convey.[/QUOTE]
Yeah my bad it was tongue in cheek.facetious etc.it was aimed at your rookie stats which I agree on.
My humor sucks it seems
[QUOTE=nayte;14840865]Yeah my bad it was tongue in cheek.facetious etc.it was aimed at your rookie stats which I agree on.
My humor sucks it seems[/QUOTE]
No worries lol :cheers:
As an aside, its pretty crazy to see that the majority of the top 10 are non-Americans and if this guy pans out as we all think he will, he'll be entering that territory fairly soon.
All good. Wemby is to fluid for anyone to be at that height shit is crazy
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14840863]AD doesn't cross you over on the perimeter leading into a smooth 18 footer, either. Maybe it's best to say Wemb has elements of both but I dont think AD is any better a comparison, it just depends on what aspects of his skillset we're referring to. Really, so far this guy seems to be a 1 of 1. Nobody has his array of skills at that size, so you would have to look at different players. Saying he's a 7'4 KD isnt meant to be taken literally, because obviously he has an entirely other level on defense that we don't talk about with KD and as you state he will be far more potent as an interior force in terms of finishing plays at the rim, but he also has perimeter elements of his offense that apply more to KD, somewhat similar dribbling style, range and shot mechanics, and that long, wiry frame. That says KD to me more than it does AD. Heck I may be inclined to say he's a 7'4 KD/KG hybrid with shotblock leader talent.[/QUOTE]
I'm referring to young Pelicans AD. He shot more jumpers and played more face-up. I see a lot of Victor in this highlight reel:
[video=youtube;vuPO0R9KSdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuPO0R9KSdY[/video]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14840854]KD isn't the right comparison. Durant doesn't finish plays in the paint as Victor does, nor does he block shots and protect the paint. He's more like a taller and longer Anthony Davis with a better shot. I'm feeling good about my DPOY/blocks leader prediction, as well as San Antonio making the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
There really is no comparision. Wemby is kind of a new category altogether.
He may not be quite the unicorn I thought he was.
He still has GOAT potential, but he's only a couple of inches taller than guys like Kareem/Sampson and right now doesn't seem as athletic as them.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IWQmJs-2hcM[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxRUPDjKlU4[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1aKDDRhkCQ[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVjl0QRkLoI[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgqedZ4now[/url]
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14840952]He may not be quite the unicorn I thought he was.
He still has GOAT potential, but he's only a couple of inches taller than guys like Kareem/Sampson and right now doesn't seem as athletic as them.[/QUOTE]
Athleticism aside, he has guard skills both with the handle and passing that Kareem and Sampson probably never even conceived of. Not necessarily their fault because it was never going to be okay to play that way in the first place so why even try. But Wemby does it.
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14840952]He may not be quite the unicorn I thought he was.
He still has GOAT potential, but he's only a couple of inches taller than guys like Kareem/Sampson and right now doesn't seem as athletic as them.[/QUOTE]
Victor has done nothing this pre season to make someone think LESS of him than they did before pre season. This take makes no sense.
So he's not as good as you thought, but still could be goat? What were you expecting, all the best attributes of Durant + Kareem with Amare Stoudemire quick twitch?
As everyone already knows, he just has to stay healthy. If he can do that, sky is the limit. That's a huge if though.
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14840952]He may not be quite the unicorn I thought he was.
He still has GOAT potential, but he's only a couple of inches taller than guys like Kareem/Sampson and right now doesn't seem as athletic as them.[/QUOTE]
Victor's wingspan and standing reach are significantly longer than both of those guys. Kareem's wingspan was 7'5"; Sampson's was less than that. Both of their standing reaches were in that 9'3" to 9'5" range. There were anecdotal stories about Bill Russell having a greater standing reach than both of them.
Wemby's got like 7" of wingspan and 6"-9" of standing reach on Kareem.
You can kind of see how much longer Victor's arms are here:
[img]https://media1.woopic.com/api/v1/images/1048%2Fmulti%2F3vmxl%2Fbasket-victor-wembanyama-rencontre-kareem-abdul-jabbar-a-las-vegas%7Cqkrszvf-H.jpg?facedetect=1&quality=85[/img]
[b]Yao Ming[/b] was 7 ft 6 in, had the foot work, the touch, range, etc. He could have been in the GOAT discussion. The thing is, at that height, the injury bug to the lower body is at a higher %.
I really hope Wemby stays healthy. He's shown he has the tools needed for the job. He's only 19. He has so much room to grow and S-tier potential.
He might need to spend 1-2mill a year on his body. Spurs need to talk to all the experts in the field of health/medicine to make sure this guy stays healthy. Whatever it takes, just keep him healthy. If he can stay healthy, he has a legit shot to be in the GOAT debate when it's all said and done.
[url]https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1715556041876754707[/url]
[QUOTE=Foster5k;14840970][B]Yao Ming[/B] was 7 ft 6 in, had the foot work, the touch, range, etc. He could have been in the GOAT discussion. The thing is, at that height, the injury bug to the lower body is at a higher %.
I really hope Wemby stays healthy. He's shown he has the tools needed for the job. He's only 19. He has so much room to grow and S-tier potential.
He might need to spend 1-2mill a year on his body. Spurs need to talk to all the experts in the field of health/medicine to make sure this guy stays healthy. Whatever it takes, just keep him healthy. If he can stay healthy, he has a legit shot to be in the GOAT debate when it's all said and done.[/QUOTE]
Yao couldn't have ever been GOAT. Had offensive skills but too big and slow
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14840952]He may not be quite the unicorn I thought he was.
He still has GOAT potential, but he's only a couple of inches taller than guys like Kareem/Sampson and right now doesn't seem as athletic as them.[/QUOTE]
Yes but he is basically a 7'4 small forward, in a league better suited for him to dominate even more than the players you list respective to their era. He's either too mobile and skilled for anyone close to his height, or too tall for anyone with the athleticism( maybe someone like Giannis, but he's giving up what? 5-6 inches?). And the league doesn't allow you to be physical enough for a smaller defender to get up in his shooting pocket, or else I would say the best way to defend him in prior eras may have been to put a much smaller player with lateral quickness and active hands to make him think long about every dribble he takes. But in this era? The rules are pretty much set up for this guy to be an MVP level talent from day one.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14717910]His trajectory looks to be more like Porzingis/Giannis.[/QUOTE]
the trajectory of thes 2 couldnt be any more different
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14840982]Yes but he is basically a 7'4 small forward, in a league better suited for him to dominate even more than the players you list respective to their era. He's either too mobile and skilled for anyone close to his height, or too tall for anyone with the athleticism( maybe someone like Giannis, but he's giving up what? 5-6 inches?). And the league doesn't allow you to be physical enough for a smaller defender to get up in his shooting pocket, or else I would say the best way to defend him in prior eras may have been to put a much smaller player with lateral quickness and active hands to make him think long about every dribble he takes. But in this era? The rules are pretty much set up for this guy to be an MVP level talent from day one.[/QUOTE]
Victor Wembanyama might already be the league's best player.
It's just that nobody knows it yet. Not even Victor Wembanyama himself. :eek:
Once he does, it's over.
:cheers:
Being drafted by the Spurs should help with his durability in terms of how they manage him from a healthcare standpoint. These super tall guys are never durable.
T-Mac said when he got to the Spurs and saw how the organization was run from top to bottom he realized "wow, this is how it's supposed to be".
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFFFlbUfjTk[/url]
And he's done it! First 20 and 10 of his career.
:applause:
A 20 and 10 with five stocks. Noice!
[url]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IwK22bhaKco[/url]
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14843367][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFFFlbUfjTk[/url][/QUOTE]
Ngl, maybe not the smartest thing to try to posterize wemby but I do respect the audacity on smith’s part to try it
This is what I meant to post:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOhjg8kGXnc[/url]
Maybe top 10