TRADE: Jrue Holiday to the Celtics for Timelord, Brogdan and 2 firsts.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834880]there's a reason the Suns wanted Nurk instead of Ayton. Jazz have more picks than both and already have a competitive team[/QUOTE]

Well ya, they got an even worse fleece than this by trading Rudy who wasn't even that good anyway. I'm really curious to see if Kessler improves for em this year. I see a lot of potential with him

[QUOTE=Dbrog;14834892]Well ya, they got an even worse fleece than this by trading Rudy who wasn't even that good anyway. I'm really curious to see if Kessler improves for em this year. I see a lot of potential with him[/QUOTE]

yeah the multiple time ALL NBAer/DPOTY that carried the franchise for close to a decade wasn't that good! :facepalm

Kessler will certainly improve. Remains to be seen if he'll be able to guard in space.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14834854]Their career numbers are within 1ppg. Brown is probably a better scorer at this point of his career because he is being asked to be one of their top 2 scorers. Hence he shoots more per game and the ball in his hands for significantly longer periods. Even if you give the advantage to brown, it's very close.

Porzingis has a long history of injuries going back to his Knicks days from his very first season in the NBA. He is also being asked to do much more than Middleton or lopez. His backup happens to be old man horford and the undersized wenyen Gabriel. The bucks have bobby portis and Robin lopez as the backups for brook lopez.

Horford is not the same physically. Have you watched him play the last couple years? He has significantly slowed down and has trouble running up and down the court. You are a Celtics fan. How have you not noticed???[/QUOTE]

You apply every possible excuse to Middleton and he still comes up short vs JB. Then you turn around and say Middleton will hold up better than Porzingis because he's asked to do less. How? Both are the third best scorers in their team. Middleton will likely be tasked with defending the best scoring wing in the opposing team. Being basketball players they are both going to be running back and forth defending and running whatever role in the play on offense. Neither guy is exempt from movement. How does Middleton go out and have a better season than Brown while doing less than Porzingis? It just doesn't make sense.

Asking me about Horford is a stupid question. Yes I have seen him. His per minute production has held steady the last two years as a Celtic. He is obviously not in his prime but you said he was falling apart without any knowledge of the situation. It's called "load management. " the whole league is doing it. I asked you: If he is really falling apart, what was his last major injury?

Trading away Time Lord is a huge mistake.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14834898]You apply every possible excuse to Middleton and he still comes up short vs JB. Then you turn around and say Middleton will hold up better than Porzingis because he's asked to do less. How? Both are the third best scorers in their team. Middleton will likely be tasked with defending the best scoring wing in the opposing team. Being basketball players they are both going to be running back and forth defending and running whatever role in the play on offense. Neither guy is exempt from movement. How does Middleton go out and have a better season than Brown while doing less than Porzingis? It just doesn't make sense.

Asking me about Horford is a stupid question. Yes I have seen him. His per minute production has held steady the last two years as a Celtic. He is obviously not in his prime but you said he was falling apart without any knowledge of the situation. It's called "load management. " the whole league is doing it. I asked you: If he is really falling apart, what was his last major injury?[/QUOTE]

Does Middleton have a long history of injuries like porzingis? No.

Middleton is asked to be their 3rd scorer (mostly catch and shoot) , while brown is the focal point for the Celtics. On both ends of the floor. That is why brown shoots more and handles the ball for long time. And why he averages more ppg.

And no, I didn't say Middleton would have a better season than brown. I said they will be about equal. Giannis and Lillard will be the focal points for the bucks, tatum & brown for the Celtics. It allows Middleton to be the 3rd cog in the wheel with opponents not focusing on him as much. Opponents will be going at brown & game-planning for him more than Middleton on bucks.

I also did not say Middleton would do less than porz. I said porz's history throughout his entire career says he won't stay healthy for long.

Yes, I do think horford is falling apart physically. They have to minutes manage him because he just isn't as impactful as he once was when he is out there. He has been more prone to making mistakes on the defensive end or getting pushed around. I do not think he can give you solid 35mpg if you were to take him off his minutes restriction. He is good backup in stretches, but like I said he is not the same player he used to be. If porz or horford get injured, you guys are in huge trouble. You don't want either guy playing big minutes due to the high injury risk. Lopez doesn't have high injury risk history even if he is getting old. And bucks have decent depth behind lopez.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14834921]Does Middleton have a long history of injuries like porzingis? No.

Middleton is asked to be their 3rd scorer (mostly catch and shoot) , while brown is the focal point for the Celtics. On both ends of the floor. That is why brown shoots more and handles the ball for long time. And why he averages more ppg.

And no, I didn't say Middleton would have a better season than brown. I said they will be about equal. Giannis and Lillard will be the focal points for the bucks, tatum & brown for the Celtics. It allows Middleton to be the 3rd cog in the wheel with opponents not focusing on him as much. Opponents will be going at brown & game-planning for him more than Middleton on bucks.

I also did not say Middleton would do less than porz. I said porz's history throughout his entire career says he won't stay healthy for long.

Yes, I do think horford is falling apart physically. They have to minutes manage him because he just isn't as impactful as he once was when he is out there. He has been more prone to making mistakes on the defensive end or getting pushed around. I do not think he can give you solid 35mpg if you were to take him off his minutes restriction. He is good backup in stretches, but like I said he is not the same player he used to be. If porz or horford get injured, you guys are in huge trouble. You don't want either guy playing big minutes due to the high injury risk. Lopez doesn't have high injury risk history even if he is getting old. And bucks have decent depth behind lopez.[/QUOTE]

Lopez certainly has more and more risk of injury as he gets older. Everyone's body breaks down eventually

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834896]yeah the multiple time ALL NBAer/DPOTY that [B]carried the franchise[/B] for close to a decade wasn't that good! :facepalm

Kessler will certainly improve. Remains to be seen if he'll be able to guard in space.[/QUOTE]

Carried them to what? :lol

[QUOTE=Dbrog;14834941]Carried them to what? :lol[/QUOTE]

out of the lottery

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834944]out of the lottery[/QUOTE]

Gross

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14834900]Trading away Time Lord is a huge mistake.[/QUOTE]

^ This is called “over dramatizing.”

[QUOTE=bladefd;14834921]Does Middleton have a long history of injuries like porzingis? No.

Middleton is asked to be their 3rd scorer (mostly catch and shoot) , while brown is the focal point for the Celtics. On both ends of the floor. That is why brown shoots more and handles the ball for long time. And why he averages more ppg.

And no, I didn't say Middleton would have a better season than brown. I said they will be about equal. Giannis and Lillard will be the focal points for the bucks, tatum & brown for the Celtics. It allows Middleton to be the 3rd cog in the wheel with opponents not focusing on him as much. Opponents will be going at brown & game-planning for him more than Middleton on bucks.

I also did not say Middleton would do less than porz. I said porz's history throughout his entire career says he won't stay healthy for long.

Yes, I do think horford is falling apart physically. They have to minutes manage him because he just isn't as impactful as he once was when he is out there. He has been more prone to making mistakes on the defensive end or getting pushed around. I do not think he can give you solid 35mpg if you were to take him off his minutes restriction. He is good backup in stretches, but like I said he is not the same player he used to be. If porz or horford get injured, you guys are in huge trouble. You don't want either guy playing big minutes due to the high injury risk. Lopez doesn't have high injury risk history even if he is getting old. And bucks have decent depth behind lopez.[/QUOTE]

Middleton has 6 seasons playing under 70 games and last year played 33. That isn't a history of injury? Por z ing I s had had his struggle but last year he played in 65 games. Both guys have cause for concern.

Brown last year averaged 5 more points than Middleton ever had regardless of his role. And this is with Brown being a guy that improves every year. You are going that Middleton comes back after a major injury to be the same player that he was. You are definitely doing a lot of wishful thinking here.

Your opinion on horford continues to ignore my question: what is his major injury? You say he's had this major defensive decline but just last postseason he defended Embiid well enough for the Celtics to win. He hits jumpers and gets a few rebounds. What more is expected from a guy that is a part time starting big that was and will continue to be load managed all season?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14834953]Middleton has 6 seasons playing under 70 games and last year played 33. That isn't a history of injury? Por z ing I s had had his struggle but last year he played in 65 games. Both guys have cause for concern.

Brown last year averaged 5 more points than Middleton ever had regardless of his role. And this is with Brown being a guy that improves every year. You are going that Middleton comes back after a major injury to be the same player that he was. You are definitely doing a lot of wishful thinking here.

Your opinion on horford continues to ignore my question: what is his major injury? You say he's had this major defensive decline but just last postseason he defended Embiid well enough for the Celtics to win. He hits jumpers and gets a few rebounds. What more is expected from a guy that is a part time starting big that was and will continue to be load managed all season?[/QUOTE]

under 70 games doesn't mean you're injured anymore. 33 certainly does and should be of concern for sure. Porzingas hadn't played that many games since his 2nd year

why is he nicknamed Timelord btw?

I wonder how holiday would make a cumbersome stiff work. :lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=Axe;14834957]I wonder how holiday would make a cumbersome stiff work. :lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]

guess you'll find out with Horford and Porzingas

I'm excited for Jrue but I don't like that we gave up Timelord

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834955]why is he nicknamed Timelord btw?[/QUOTE]

He got the nickname once he was drafted by missing his flight to Boston, then missing his first press interview, then sleeping through training camp. It was so bad that the FO made him move next door to the practice facility and got him an alarm. All while this happened coach Brad Stevens said that there was no issues with Robert Williams being late to practice or flights so people started calling him Timelord because he can manipulate and control the flow of time

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14834949]^ This is called “over dramatizing.”[/QUOTE]

That is just my opinion, sure. We will see how it goes for Celtics soon enough.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834927]Lopez certainly has more and more risk of injury as he gets older. Everyone's body breaks down eventually[/QUOTE]

Yeah but Porz has been injury-prone since his rookie season. Besides that, Brook has legit backups behind him in Portis and his brother Robin Lopez.

Porz's backups are Horford and some dude named Kornet.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834954]under 70 games doesn't mean you're injured anymore. 33 certainly does and should be of concern for sure. Porzingas hadn't played that many games since his 2nd year[/QUOTE]

It does if we are talking about a young player, which Middleton was for a lot of those games. Just not a major injury.

Anyhow the Bucks didn't start load managing him until he got the big injury (I think it was an ACL tear two years ago). And that kind of injury does sometimes derail careers. Tony Allen was still a good player but before he tore his ACL he was a DWade level athlete, could score well, wasn't Wade because he didn't have that kind of handle but he had allstar potential. Jabari Parker and Leon Powe would have had much better careers if they got to be the explosive athletes they were pre-injury. As sports science improves we could and should see better results but it's still very much unknown how close Middleton can get to being the player he was.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14834953]Middleton has 6 seasons playing under 70 games and last year played 33. That isn't a history of injury? Por z ing I s had had his struggle but last year he played in 65 games. Both guys have cause for concern.

Brown last year averaged 5 more points than Middleton ever had regardless of his role. And this is with Brown being a guy that improves every year. You are going that Middleton comes back after a major injury to be the same player that he was. You are definitely doing a lot of wishful thinking here.

Your opinion on horford continues to ignore my question: what is his major injury? You say he's had this major defensive decline but just last postseason he defended Embiid well enough for the Celtics to win. He hits jumpers and gets a few rebounds. What more is expected from a guy that is a part time starting big that was and will continue to be load managed all season?[/QUOTE]

Porz played over 60 games 3 times out of 7 years (42%). Middleton 8 times out of 11 times (72%). And Porz is younger by 7yrs.

5 more ppg while shooting over 20 shots a game. Middleton has never averaged more than 15.8 shots.

Do you watch the Celtics?? I feel like I have watched Horford more than you have, and I'm not even a Celtics fan. You would have seen Horford's overall athletic ability decline quite a bit over last few years. My point was if Porz goes down, don't expect Horford to suddenly take the starting role and start playing 35mpg. He can't be that guy anymore. At least you admitted he is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. Bucks don't.

Keep telling yourself you have the better starting 5 and better depth than Bucks. Fact is you don't.

Yeah, the Cs have a couple holes in the front court after trading RW3 and Grant Williams.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835030]Porz played over 60 games 3 times out of 7 years (42%). Middleton 8 times out of 11 times (72%). And Porz is younger by 7yrs.

5 more ppg while shooting over 20 shots a game. Middleton has never averaged more than 15.8 shots.

Do you watch the Celtics?? I feel like I have watched Horford more than you have, and I'm not even a Celtics fan. You would have seen Horford's overall athletic ability decline quite a bit over last few years. My point was if Porz goes down, don't expect Horford to suddenly take the starting role and start playing 35mpg. He can't be that guy anymore. At least you admitted he is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. Bucks don't.

Keep telling yourself you have the better starting 5 and better depth than Bucks. Fact is you don't.[/QUOTE]

Again with the stupid questions. You don't reply to points like Horford still defending Embiid well and instead say dumb crap like you watch the Celtics more than me. Being stupid is not an argument. If you could point out what major injury Horford had suffered, as you have been repeatedly asked to, that would be an argument. If _______ his injured then ______ won't be able to win. That's true of every team in the league. The Celtics will have possibly the best starting five in the league both offensively as well as defensively.

And no. Middleton is not as good as Jaylen Brown.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14835052]Again with the stupid questions. You don't reply to points like Horford still defending Embiid well and instead say dumb crap like you watch the Celtics more than me. Being stupid is not an argument. If you could point out what major injury Horford had suffered, as you have been repeatedly asked to, that would be an argument. If _______ his injured then ______ won't be able to win. That's true of every team in the league. The Celtics will have possibly the best starting five in the league both offensively as well as defensively.

And no. Middleton is not as good as Jaylen Brown.[/QUOTE]

You admitted Horford is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. We agree there. If Porz gets hurt (which he usually does), Horford is not giving you good 35mpg starting to each game. His minutes have been declining every year. He is not a legit insurance policy for Porzingis. You don't have depth in front-court no matter how you slice it. I don't care if he defended Embiid well for 20 minutes (Williams was playing big minutes too and doing a lot of the defense on Embiid so not like it was Horford taking on Embiid one-on-one most of the game). Can he bang with Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Turner, Ayton, Gobert,, etc night in & night out for 35mpg as starter? No, he can't - not for 35+ mpg every game. End of story.

I'd rather have Middleton as 3rd option than Brown as 2nd option if I'm a playoffs team even if I rank Brown over Middleton on top 100 players list. Guy's role will be to stand at 3pt line, wait for giannis/lillard to pass him the rock (both will draw double teams btw so Middleton will get plenty of space), then catch & shoot. He doesn't have to playmake, rebound, create for others, anything. Brown's role will require a lot more, and they need a lot from him due to the lack of depth around him (while drawing double teams).

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835078]You admitted Horford is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. We agree there. If Porz gets hurt (which he usually does), Horford is not giving you good 35mpg starting to each game. His minutes have been declining every year. He is not a legit insurance policy for Porzingis. You don't have depth in front-court no matter how you slice it. I don't care if he defended Embiid well for 20 minutes (Williams was playing big minutes too and doing a lot of the defense on Embiid so not like it was Horford taking on Embiid one-on-one most of the game). Can he bang with Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Turner, Ayton, Gobert,, etc night in & night out for 35mpg as starter? No, he can't - not for 35+ mpg every game. End of story.

I'd rather have Middleton as 3rd option than Brown as 2nd option if I'm a playoffs team even if I rank Brown over Middleton on top 100 players list. Guy's role will be to stand at 3pt line, wait for giannis/lillard to pass him the rock (both will draw double teams btw so Middleton will get plenty of space), then catch & shoot. He doesn't have to playmake, rebound, create for others, anything. Brown's role will require a lot more, and they need a lot from him due to the lack of depth around him (while drawing double teams).[/QUOTE]

you're not going to have everything you want when you're deep in the tax

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835078]You admitted Horford is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. We agree there. If Porz gets hurt (which he usually does), Horford is not giving you good 35mpg starting to each game. His minutes have been declining every year. He is not a legit insurance policy for Porzingis. You don't have depth in front-court no matter how you slice it. I don't care if he defended Embiid well for 20 minutes (Williams was playing big minutes too and doing a lot of the defense on Embiid so not like it was Horford taking on Embiid one-on-one most of the game). Can he bang with Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Turner, Ayton, Gobert,, etc night in & night out for 35mpg as starter? No, he can't - not for 35+ mpg every game. End of story.

I'd rather have Middleton as 3rd option than Brown as 2nd option if I'm a playoffs team even if I rank Brown over Middleton on top 100 players list. Guy's role will be to stand at 3pt line, wait for giannis/lillard to pass him the rock (both will draw double teams btw so Middleton will get plenty of space), then catch & shoot. He doesn't have to playmake, rebound, create for others, anything. Brown's role will require a lot more, and they need a lot from him due to the lack of depth around him (while drawing double teams).[/QUOTE]

If Horford's defense didn't matter the Celtics wouldn't have beat Philly. In the postseason he averaged 30 minutes, not 20, so wherever you got that number from you can put it back. Horford's defensive role has been defending post threats. Always had been always will be. Post defense is something a wily old vet can do. He makes the shot Embiid tough and doesn't make mistakes in the scheme.

No one has infinite great players coming off the bench, but everyone has fans that overrate their players which is what you do when you act like Middleton's injury history doesn't exist and he's just as good as a player that defends as well or better than he does while averaging 10 more points. The last two seasons the Celtics have made the Conference finals and they have made the Conference finals 4 times with Brown as one of their top 2 scorers. It's worked well, and he's still improving.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14835092]If Horford's defense didn't matter the Celtics wouldn't have beat Philly. In the postseason he averaged 30 minutes, not 20, so wherever you got that number from you can put it back. Horford's defensive role has been defending post threats. Always had been always will be. Post defense is something a wily old vet can do. He makes the shot Embiid tough and doesn't make mistakes in the scheme.

No one has infinite great players coming off the bench, but everyone has fans that overrate their players which is what you do when you act like Middleton's injury history doesn't exist and he's just as good as a player that defends as well or better than he does while averaging 10 more points. The last two seasons the Celtics have made the Conference finals and they have made the Conference finals 4 times with Brown as one of their top 2 scorers. It's worked well, and he's still improving.[/QUOTE]

Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year. Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot. Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835129]Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year.[B] Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot.[/B] Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.[/QUOTE]

The arrival of Jrue alleviate that. He's much more offensive than Smart.

Every team will get hell against healthy Bucks anyways.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835129]Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year. Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot. Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.[/QUOTE]

You continue to make stuff up. Seeing as you watch the Celtics more than me point out all these teams that doubleteam Jaylen Brown. It never happened in the past and now the Celtics will have two more major offensive threats on the floor you thin their second option is getting double? I hope teams do try it.

Bringing up Williams minutes is funny. The 20 minutes per game you put on Horford? That's actually what Williams averaged last playoff. Williams can have a dynamic impact but if you are bringing him up when talking about worries over limited minutes and missing games proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

If Middleton had only had one injury why did he miss 52 games in 16-17?

Celtics have upgraded significantly now with KP and Jrue.

Much more versatile on both ends.

Is it possible that Celtics are gearing up to trade Brown?

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14835226]Celtics have upgraded significantly now with KP and Jrue.

Much more versatile on both ends.

Is it possible that Celtics are gearing up to trade Brown?[/QUOTE]

Why would they trade Brown? They just gave him the biggest contract.

They're pushing the chips all in with these moves. Brad knew Brogdon and Rob couldn't sustain and entire season and be healthy for the postseason (even with the load managing we gave them), so he shipped them out for a defensive minded point guard with more offense than Smart provided.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14834538]Adrian Wojnarowski: That’s the current tally on Damian Lillard trade, anyway: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"][B][SIZE=3]Portland plans to keep Robert Williams to pair with Deandre Ayton[/SIZE][/B], sources say, but there has certainly been interest in veteran Malcolm Brogdon and expect teams will be calling on him. Blazers are committed to young guards[/URL].
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Billups trying to revive a version of Sheed + Ben.


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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14835159]You continue to make stuff up. Seeing as you watch the Celtics more than me point out all these teams that doubleteam Jaylen Brown. It never happened in the past and now the Celtics will have two more major offensive threats on the floor you thin their second option is getting double? I hope teams do try it.

Bringing up Williams minutes is funny. The 20 minutes per game you put on Horford? That's actually what Williams averaged last playoff. Williams can have a dynamic impact but if you are bringing him up when talking about worries over limited minutes and missing games proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

If Middleton had only had one injury why did he miss 52 games in 16-17?[/QUOTE]

Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.

[QUOTE=Proctor;14834701]Incredible get for Boston but giving up Williams is surprising to say the least and very much damaging. Brogdon is nothing and anyone who compares him to Holiday is a fool.[/QUOTE]


Brogdon is more than nothing and Holiday is less than incredible.


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[QUOTE=bladefd;14835260]Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.[/QUOTE]

So we still don't know why Middleton played 29 games in 16/17 and there's no example of Brown getting doubled. For the record I hope they do double Brown, there's no way a team controls Tatum while doubling Brown and Porzingis, Holiday, Hauser,Pritchard and others can all hit shots.

Wow, Boston have 5 white guys now.

Are you seeing this Real Men Wear Green?

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14835356]Wow, Boston have 5 white guys now.

Are you seeing this Real Men Wear Green?[/QUOTE]

I don't care. You would the racist, not me.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14835360]I don't care. You would the racist, not me.[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying, we're gonna hang out in the Celts game threads this season, my dude.

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14836002]I'm just saying, we're gonna hang out in the Celts game threads this season, my dude.[/QUOTE]

"We?" Whatever. You're an idiot and I'm sure you'll l provide plenty of reasons for banning.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14835260]Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.[/QUOTE]

Little off topic with this response but agreed bostons depth is a weakness now. However porzingis was healthy last season and stevens will find a a better backup big than kornet before the deadline. Could easily trade for someone like Dorian finney smith too to replace grant Williams, they have a plethora of 2nd rd picks. Mil has a better top 4 because of their top 2 though I won’t go as far to say Middleton>Brown but mil doesn’t have 5th and 6th guys nearly as good as white and horford. Portis is a great backup but not that useful in playoffs. Then it’s guys like Connaughton and crowder, can’t even be sure they’ll play in the playoffs. Beasley could be good but most likely wont be playable in the playoffs either. Also in bostons favor jrue and porzingis were all star lvl last year could argue both will be better than Middleton this season.