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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14896877]We all know what happens when you prepare for a fight. You shit your pants, call your gf that shit is going down, and proceed to post a disgusting pic of your living room with a dirty ashtray and empty alcohol bottles onto ISH.
I would put you to sleep, then steal your gf.[/QUOTE]
you are super tiny. put your money where your mouth is. name a place date or time in the city and let a ***** know. i’ll come bully your ass on camera for ish to see. Don’t be scared.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14896877]We all know what happens when you prepare for a fight. You shit your pants, call your gf that shit is going down, and proceed to post a disgusting pic of your living room with a dirty ashtray and empty alcohol bottles everywhere onto ISH.
I would put you to sleep, then steal your gf.[/QUOTE]
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This escalated to WWE antics very quick
"Hey homeboy, you wanna see what 24 inch python looks like...." :lol
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Careful, bro. He might throw a Jim Beam bottle at you.
Let’s go. Lakers says he’s from east bay. Name your place and time lil midge.
6 pages already in less than 24 hours?
I'll take Curry 2024 over Luka 2024.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14896889]Let’s go. Lakers says he’s from east bay. Name your place and time lil midge.[/QUOTE]
Huffy bike called. It's willing to stroll with you around east bay.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14896863]Good point. Magic Johnson's play style is what many today consider "not good to win a chip", but he had Kareem & Worthy on his side and won more chips than anyone in his era. Player's legacies get enhanced by the good teammates they played with, it's always been this way.[/QUOTE]
Comparing Dray and Klay to Kareem and Worthy is a ban-able offense tbh.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14896738]In the regular season, sure. He could have probably had a bunch more single game records if he and the other starters werent sitting out the whole 4th so often. And yes Curry was a big part of that and deserves credit for it.
But there's also a reason the reputation exists that in big games, it was often Curry's teammates grinding back from a deficit or building a lead while Steph disappeared, and then once the Warriors were back in the driver's seat Curry would hit a shot or two and start prancing around. Sometimes getting so excited by frontrunning he'd throw a stupidly casual behind the back pass out of bounds in a big moment.
So let's not forget BOTH sides of the Curry coin.
If someone wants to take the game's current leading scorer and a pure playoff killer like Doncic over a sus, prancing, skipping, disappearing, pouting, returning, shimmying, 1/5 FMVP Curry, I dont think that's "very outrageous."[/QUOTE]
I didn't read this take til today but now I see why warriorfan was upset. This is a horrible take given Curry has had exactly one bad playoff series in his career ~ 2016 Finals which was still better than 2011 Lebron or 2004 Kobe etc. Other than that though his playoff numbers are at an absolute superstar level.
And the funny thing is we saw Curry and Luka play H2H in the playoffs and who came out on top? Curry won a ring with Andrew Wiggins as his 2nd option. Let that sink in. And Luka had Brunson whose easily a better player than Wigs. We didn't really appreciate how good that dude was til he went to New York.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896900]Comparing Dray and Klay to Kareem and Worthy is a ban-able offense tbh.[/QUOTE]
You are forgetting KD.
And Kareem was past his prime during the Lakers back to back titles in '87 & '88, basically a role player by '88.
Curry led a 73 win team and won 2 titles without Durant. Moot point.
And like was said before Curry has already beat Luka H2H in the playoffs. And he had the same exact team back then that he has now as the 10 seed only swapping poole for Chris paul. We already saw this experiment live.
Luka wiped the Suns that had made The Finals but got gentleman swept by Curry.
People are discounting what Lukas ball dominance does to star teammates. Brunson looks like a total superstar right now in New York and Porzingis has been absolutely balling since leaving Dallas. Kyrie is the only star that's really fit with Luka ball so far. And I like Luka but that needs to be brought up.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896914]I didn't read this take til today but now I see why warriorfan was upset. This is a horrible take given Curry has had exactly one bad playoff series in his career ~ 2016 Finals which was still better than 2011 Lebron or 2004 Kobe etc. Other than that though his playoff numbers are at an absolute superstar level.
And the funny thing is we saw Curry and Luka play H2H in the playoffs and who came out on top?Curry won a ring with Andrew Wiggins as his 2nd option. Let that sink in. And Luka had Brunson whose easily a better player than Wigs. We didn't really appreciate how good that dude was til he went to New York.[/QUOTE]
Im not trying to argue against picking Curry. This is what you guys are failing to comprehend.
I’m saying that depending on what someone values, it is not “very outrageous” to take the guy who is this year’s leading scorer and second in assists, and has also proven to be a playoff lion. Curry has plenty of strengths but his playoff numbers make him look more consistent than he’s really been. Look up game threads and youll see people talking in real time about how Curry has gone cold, meanwhile his teammates claw back from a 12 point deficit, then Curry starts hitting shots again once theyre back in the lead.
He has not been the dominant player in series where the teams are closely matched that he has been in the regular season. Im not saying he was ever BAD. You guys are seeing in polarities. My literal response was that it is not “very outrageous” as someone suggested, and you guys are acting like I called Curry a scrub.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896914]I didn't read this take til today but now I see why warriorfan was upset. This is a horrible take given Curry has had exactly one bad playoff series in his career ~ 2016 Finals which was still better than 2011 Lebron or 2004 Kobe etc. Other than that though his playoff numbers are at an absolute superstar level.
And the funny thing is we saw Curry and Luka play H2H in the playoffs and who came out on top? Curry won a ring with Andrew Wiggins as his 2nd option. Let that sink in. And Luka had Brunson whose easily a better player than Wigs. We didn't really appreciate how good that dude was til he went to New York.[/QUOTE]
It's narrative driven to say stuff like that though. They were playing great defense and getting contributions from 3-8 in a way that other teams were not.
First series against Denver Wiggins was the #4 scorer at 14 ppg, Poole and Klay were significantly above him in the 20s.
Against Memphis he was again the #4 scorer in the series behind Klay and Poole.
In the next series against the Mavs he was tied for second with Klay, and Poole was very close behind them.
Deay and Looney were also giving double digits per game.
Wiggins had his best series against Boston where he was the #2 scorer but Klay was only 1 point behind him. For the totality of the playoffs Wiggins was the 4th leading scorer on the team.
Name me a "#2 option" who's actually the #4. It's all narrative, it just sounds better to prop Curry up to say Wiggins was his #2 guy. It doesn't sound quite as good when you say they had three other guys besides Steph who could routinely get you 17-20 a night. Poole had the playoffs of his lifetime. It was the last time Klay was really Klay, and the "specialists" played excellent like Dray, Loony and GP
[QUOTE=tpols;14896916]Curry led a 73 win team and won 2 titles without Durant. Moot point.[/QUOTE]
How the hell is it a moot point? He won half his titles with KD, they had the most stacked team this league has ever seen at one point.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896916]Curry led a 73 win team and won 2 titles without Durant. Moot point.
And like was said before Curry has already beat Luka H2H in the playoffs. [B]And he had the same exact team back then that he has now[/B] as the 10 seed only swapping poole for Chris paul. We already saw this experiment live.
Luka wiped the Suns that had made The Finals but got gentleman swept by Curry.
People are discounting what Lukas ball dominance does to star teammates. Brunson looks like a total superstar right now in New York and Porzingis has been absolutely balling since leaving Dallas. Kyrie is the only star that's really fit with Luka ball so far. And I like Luka but that needs to be brought up.[/QUOTE]
Stop.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14896918]Im not trying to argue against picking Curry. This is what you guys are failing to comprehend.
I’m saying that depending on what someone values, it is not “very outrageous” to take the guy who is this year’s leading scorer and second in assists, and has also proven to be a playoff lion. Curry has plenty of strengths but his playoff numbers make him look more consistent than he’s really been. Look up game threads and youll see people talking in real time about how Curry has gone cold, meanwhile his teammates claw back from a 12 point deficit, then Curry starts hitting shots again once theyre back in the lead.
He has not been the dominant player in series where the teams are closely matched that he has been in the regular season. Im not saying he was ever BAD. You guys are seeing in polarities. My literal response was that it is not “very outrageous” as someone suggested, and you guys are acting like I called Curry a scrub.[/QUOTE]
In my 1st post I said the same thing that they're extremely close. But you were going on about Curry being a bad playoff performer 1/5 or whatever which had to be addressed because it's a patented falsehood.
The warriors had Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Dray, GPII, Looney in 2022 and 2024. The only real change was swapping podz for Otto porter and Chris Paul for poole.
Klay also missed most of the 2022 season and Poole outside of a small stretch is one of the worst players in the NBA so they were arguably even weaker in 2022. The warriors have choked a ton of games this year blowing big leads though.
The main difference this year isn't Golden State, it's that the conference is absurdly stacked. Way more stacked than in 2022.
The West this year may be the greatest conference of all time.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896924]The warriors had Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Dray, GPII, Looney in 2022 and 2024. The only real change was swapping podz for Otto porter and Chris Paul for poole.
Klay also missed most of the 2022 season and Poole outside of a small stretch is one of the worst players in the NBA so they were arguably even weaker in 2022. The warriors have choked a ton of games this year blowing big leads though.
The main difference this year isn't Golden State, it's that the conference is absurdly stacked. Way more stacked than in 2022.
The West this year may be the greatest conference of all time.[/QUOTE]
I understand that a lot of the players are the same. That isn't the question. You said it was the same [I]team[/I], implying that there is no difference overall.
You think it'd be a reasonable thing to say that the 2012 Celtics, for example, had the same team as 2008 plus a better Rondo?
Like 2012 Celtics > 2008?
The 2010 Spurs had largely the same core as 2007. Would you find it reasonable to call them the exact same team?
Again..stop. It's stupid.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14896676]You imagine that if you polled the people who voted him mvp they would say he was the best player in the league at the time? I don’t know that they would. It isn’t really the same question is it?[/QUOTE]
People were clamoring over Curry in 2016. It wasn't until after the Finals that people walked back their takes of Curry being the best in the NBA. But at the end of the regular season in 2016, many people, including those who voted him MVP, would've said he's the best player in the NBA.
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I understand.
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No you dont.
Actually if you look it up... the Curry Klay Dray Wiggins core combined is averaging almost the same exact production in 2024 as in 2022. And Kuminga averages 16 ppg on top of it and they have Chris Paul whose been a fantastic floor general 6th man. What you're saying doesn't add up at all. The players haven't fallen off a cliff like your other examples production wise.
Again the main difference is the western conference is absurdly stacked this year and if the warriors didn't blow a record amount of double digit leads they'd be a much higher seed.
[QUOTE=Wally450;14896928]People were clamoring over Curry in 2016. It wasn't until after the Finals that people walked back their takes of Curry being the best in the NBA. But at the end of the regular season in 2016, many people, including those who voted him MVP, would've said he's the best player in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
For sure, Curry was having a legendary season that year. It was the first year I actually saw the majority of fans rank a player ahead of LeBron throughout the year since like 2008, then the Finals happened.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896929]No you dont.
Actually if you look it up... the Curry Klay Dray Wiggins core combined is averaging almost the same exact production in 2024 as in 2022. And Kuminga averages 16 ppg on top of it and they have Chris Paul whose been a fantastic floor general 6th man. What you're saying doesn't add up at all. The players haven't fallen off a cliff like your other examples production wise.
Again the main difference is the western conference is absurdly stacked this year and if the warriors didn't blow a record amount of double digit leads they'd be a much higher seed.[/QUOTE]
Your condescension while being clueless always entertains :lol
Curry, Klay, Draymond, and Wiggins are all playing some of the worst ball either in the careers or in a decade. Just because the league has been ridiculous with the scoring numbers this year doesn't mean that they're as effective. Lebron is scoring more now than he did in 2016. I don't think anyone would claim he's been as good as he was then, no?
In 2022 the Warriors were the #1 defense in the league by Net Rating. This year they're 15th.
4th to 15th in net rating as well.
You can say the only difference is the league is better if you want. But then that makes the usual arguments of [B]"Player X won with THIS sidekick in one year, and Player Y one with a BETTER sidekick in a completely different year; therefore player X is better"[/B] that you frequently use seem dumb in retrospect.
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You can say the only difference is the league is better if you want.
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Yes the main difference is the competition. You're finally getting it.
Lebron and AD have looked amazing and won a title and they're a play in team. Warriors are fully healthy and have a great core and they're a play in team. The Kings with Fox and Sabonis who were a top seed last year are a play in team. The Durant Booker Beal Suns who were expected to be title contenders at the start of the season are a play in team.
That doesn't mean they're all "playing the worst ball of their careers'". Total nonsense. The competition level has risen is the difference.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896934]Yes the main difference is the competition. You're finally getting it.
[B]Lebron and AD have looked amazing and won a title[/B] and they're a play in team. Warriors are fully healthy and have a great core and they're a play in team. The Kings with Fox and Sabonis who were a top seed last year are a play in team. The Durant Booker Beal Suns who were expected to be title contenders at the start of the season are a play in team.
That doesn't mean they're all "playing the worst ball of their careers'". Total nonsense. The competition level has risen is the difference.[/QUOTE]
So they both are as good overall as they were in 2020?
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Yes the main difference is the competition. You're finally getting it.
Lebron and AD have looked amazing and won a title and they're a play in team. Warriors are fully healthy and have a great core and they're a play in team. The Kings with Fox and Sabonis who were a top seed last year are a play in team. The Durant Booker Beal Suns who were expected to be title contenders at the start of the season are a play in team.
That doesn't mean they're all "playing the worst ball of their careers'". Total nonsense. The competition level has risen is the difference.
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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14896937]So they both are as good overall as they were in 2020?[/QUOTE]
Strawman argument.
Lebron and AD have been great this year absolutely no question about it and honestly Reaves is a better 3rd option than anybody from the 2020 Laker team.
And they're a play in team!
That along with the other examples fully illustrates the competition level rising being the main factor. To say these teams are playing the worst ball of their careers because they are low seeds is total nonsense.
All time trolling right here.
The NBA has gotten so much better that a championship team that lost 6 total playoff games and never faced elimination is now a play in team.
Welcome to 3Ball territory. Well done on your rise up the troll rankings.
Yes... the West right now is at an all time high. It's not even debatable. The East looks pretty good now too. I've never seen low seeds this good before. And the high seeds are monstrous as well outside Minnesota.
[QUOTE=Wally450;14896928]People were clamoring over Curry in 2016. It wasn't until after the Finals that people walked back their takes of Curry being the best in the NBA. But at the end of the regular season in 2016, many people, including those who voted him MVP, would've said he's the best player in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Curry getting locked by Delly in 2015 was already a thing. So Im sure there were people who wouldve said “lets see what Curry’s 73-9 team does in the playoffs this year before we crown him.”
And then we saw how that played out.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14896943]Curry getting locked by Delly in 2015 was already a thing. So Im sure there were people who wouldve said “lets see what Curry’s 73-9 team does in the playoffs this year before we crown him.”
And then we saw how that played out.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that, although they were a small minority. Curry won over lot's of fans. But there were still doubters, who ended up being proven right.
[QUOTE=Wally450;14896944]I agree with that, although they were a small minority. Curry won over lot's of fans. But there were still doubters, who ended up being proven right.[/QUOTE]
True dat
[QUOTE=tpols;14896940]Strawman argument.
Lebron and AD have been great this year absolutely no question about it and honestly Reaves is a better 3rd option than anybody from the 2020 Laker team.
And they're a play in team!
That along with the other examples fully illustrates the competition level rising being the main factor. To say these teams are playing the worst ball of their careers because they are low seeds is total nonsense.[/QUOTE]
How is that a strawman? Do you know what that means? My point is that while the numbers are similar, the players aren’t as effective overall. You’re the one who threw in “and won a title”. If you don’t want something addressed then don’t say it.
Comparing 2020/2024 Lebron and AD overall is like..the exact opposite of a strawman. It’s an exact comparison to my point. Neither are as good as they were.
[QUOTE=Wally450;14896944]I agree with that, although they were a small minority. Curry won over lot's of fans. But there were still doubters, who ended up being proven right.[/QUOTE]
He was truly phenomenal in the rs during the early years of their dynasty, can't deny that. But at the same, the west also became weak when they made the finals five straight times. And it took him six finals just to garner his first finals mvp award.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896940]Strawman argument.
Lebron and AD have been great this year absolutely no question about it and honestly Reaves is a better 3rd option than anybody from the 2020 Laker team.
And they're a play in team!
That along with the other examples fully illustrates the competition level rising being the main factor. To say these teams are playing the worst ball of their careers because they are low seeds is total nonsense.[/QUOTE]
How many games have you watched this season? We were clowning their coach for like half of the season for a reason.
This season, LUKA is finally near Curry from 3, both percentage wise and total made.
And they both have all time great gravitational pull on defenses.
Luka is also a MUCH better passer out of double teams.
And a much better passer overall.
But Luka is also a worse perimeter defender, and a worse transition defender.
And drinks too much, so unlikely to have as long and healthy career as Curry.
But let’s not get carried away.
Prime Curry changed the league forever.
Changed the international game a bit too.
Luka has a long way to go to not catch hate when his fans make these kind of statements.
But this season Luka is insane on offense for way way more reasons than the PPG & APG.
Watching hella games shows everyone that.
There is not a solo defender of any size, length, athletic ability, or intelligence level, who can lock him up. Nor is there a team defense who he can’t figure out and bait, and fool, and carve up with both scoring and passing.
Son just sucks guarding guards.
Everything else, if he can stay healthy and stop drinking so much, he will be a top ten all time player.
I will say this.
I've seen Curry get locked up. I've seen Curry taken out of moments in big games. Either because he couldn't get space or because he couldn't get the ball period.
Never really seen anyone lock up Luka. He's getting pretty much any shot he wants.
Curry had an abysmal finals in 2016 so it's not an outrageous take at all if Luka ends up having a great postseason.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14897146]Curry had an abysmal finals in 2016 so it's not an outrageous take at all if Luka ends up having a great postseason.[/QUOTE]
If Luka has an mcl tear during the last part of the season we will see how he comes back from it and then can judge that accordingly to Curry’s 2016
I think there's little to no argument against it tbh. 2016 Steph obviously is considerably better on 3s and at the FT line, but you'd give everything else to Luka offensively. He's ~84%FG inside 3 ft and is also unstoppable from 3-10 this season. Cavs managed to take away Steph's looks from 3, and Steph was injured obviously as well which slowed him down, but we've seen an injured Luka multiple times in the POs and he didn't miss a beat production-wise because he's able to bully his way to the rim when he has nothing else going. He's just a more polished all-around offensive player and has the size advantage that Steph doesn't.
Until I see Luka get completely shut down in a PO series like Steph I can't really doubt him tbh. The WCF vs. Golden State might have been his worst because of the scoring efficiency, and he still averaged 32/9/6/2/1 56%TS. You could argue that he's a stat-padder like Bron, but he's yet to hit a serious low in the POs.
[QUOTE=tpols;14896940]Strawman argument.
Lebron and AD have been great this year absolutely no question about it and honestly Reaves is a better 3rd option than anybody from the 2020 Laker team.
And they're a play in team!
That along with the other examples fully illustrates the competition level rising being the main factor. To say these teams are playing the worst ball of their careers because they are low seeds is total nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Even though AD and Bron have been doing their thing and have been healthy for the most part, the supporting cast has had many issues this season, and the HC has sabotaged the team many of times with his BS rotations. Lakers are 20 - 8 in their last 28 games but are still in the Play-In because of Ham's bullshit early on in the season. Lakers also don't have the dawgs they did in 2020 when they had an elite defense. Dwight, Javale, Rondo, Danny Green & KCP were all huge in their roles.