Would you say Jaylen Brown is now worth his contract?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14915161]Sure. Getting someone to work for you for less than market value is always smart. You just can’t assume the option will be available. Even people who like going to work don’t like to see somebody they consider equal or worse than them having a bunch of extra money.

I often see fans make the argument that once you’re rich, it doesn’t matter if you get a few million more next time but that’s just poor people trying to apply a standard these guys don’t live by. They are a lot like us. You don’t just get rich and stop being greedy. You get rich and you start having ambitions you previously never dreamed of.

Another factor….Jaylen Brown is A vice president of the players union. He is somebody in the room for big business decisions. Union officials always want to push salaries higher. It’s not as bad as the NFL where every top guy gets pressure from the union to set a new benchmark at every opportunity because of the structured nature of nba deals…but a union guy giving a big hometeam discount also wouldn’t send the right message.

Hes supposed to get all his money and establish that letting the benchmarks gets you all your money.

Wrong guy to talk into taking less. He would probably see it as a greater responsibility not to establish that you hit the metrics and standards and still don’t get paid.[/QUOTE]

yea fair point about the players union. If haggling wasnt on the table then you take option A.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914568]Question: Do you think that Michael Jordan was a good owner?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think anybody does. Pretty sure he stopped being friends with Chuck because of that reason :lol

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914421]They've already extended Holiday and Porzingis. Any team that has collected a great core is going to have to pay out a lot of money but so long as the Celtics ownership is willing to pay the bill (and they are) its not a problem.[/QUOTE]
Update: Derrick White is getting an extension for 4 years, 125 mil. Celtics activated the option on Hauser and they are negotiating an extension.

So I'm sure that this will have the team wearing, like, five aprons. On the same day White's extension is announced the Celtics have anounced that the team is up for sale. So the approach of the next buyers could change things...after 2028. The following are just my thoughts:

They bought the team for 360 mil. Team is currently valued at 4.7 billion. Who ever buys this team is going to be Ballmer-rich. I'm hoping it's not the Saudis. The purchaser hopefully buys because they want a ready-made winner. But either way the current core would be getting another 4 years. And you really can't predict any team's future past 4 years.

No

300 is too much of a money for a star who cannot score more than 21 ppg in finals.

210 is fine. But he is way way overpaid. despite weakest of the weak FMVP.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14925739]No

300 is too much of a money for a star who cannot score more than 21 ppg in finals.

210 is fine. But he is way way overpaid. despite weakest of the weak FMVP.[/QUOTE]

Because the team is loaded? Celtics just paid their entire starting lineup. The offense is spread so not one player has to go into full on chuck mode

What I would say is, regardless of contract size he has proven he is now worthy of playing with Lebron.


Get it done, Rob :crazysam:

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14925782]Because the team is loaded? Celtics just paid their entire starting lineup. The offense is spread so not one player has to go into full on chuck mode[/QUOTE]

This was literally his highest scoring playoff run of his career. :facepalm :oldlol:

[QUOTE=beasted;14925811]This was literally his highest scoring playoff run of his career. :facepalm :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Just a few years ago people were saying Boston was cheap and petty not taking care of their players. Now Boston pays everyone and people still bitch. Man stfu

[QUOTE=beasted;14925811]This was literally his highest scoring playoff run of his career. :facepalm :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Why is 23.9 laughable? Especially considering he's never been first option. He has four 20+ ppg postseason and a career playoff average of 19. These are solid numbers.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925817]Why is 23.9 laughable? Especially considering he's never been first option. He has four 20+ ppg postseason and a career playoff average of 19. These are solid numbers.[/QUOTE]

I'm still awaiting an answer to a question I posed months ago and got crickets from you:

What makes Brown worth the supermax and not the max?

[QUOTE=beasted;14925823]I'm still awaiting an answer to a question I posed months ago and got crickets from you:

What makes Brown worth the supermax and not the max?[/QUOTE]

Because Rings motherfvcker

[QUOTE=beasted;14925823]I'm still awaiting an answer to a question I posed months ago and got crickets from you:

What makes Brown worth the supermax and not the max?[/QUOTE]

I probably didn't see the point in continuing the conversation. To give you the answer I feel I've likely already said, JB is vitally important to the Celtics championship formula. You think it's smart to risk screwing up a potential multiple nba champion, ok. I think that's stupid. Which is likely why I would have left your question unanswered.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925830]I probably didn't see the point in continuing the conversation. To give you the answer I feel I've likely already said, JB is vitally important to the Celtics championship formula. You think it's smart to risk screwing up a potential multiple nba champion, ok. I think that's stupid. Which is likely why I would have left your question unanswered.[/QUOTE]

Screwing up a Championship formula before they even became champs? Paying him more than any other team could pay him by giving him a max (and not the supermax) is trying to kill the formula?

To each his own. The only thing you're right about is that there's no having a logical conversation about anything Celtics with you. You're incapable of an impartial opinion rooted in any facts or logical comparisons to other players.

[QUOTE=beasted;14925832]Screwing up a Championship formula before they even became champs? Paying him more than any other team could pay him by giving him a max (and not the supermax) is trying to kill the formula?

To each his own. The only thing you're right about is that there's no having a logical conversation about anything Celtics with you. You're incapable of an impartial opinion rooted in any facts or logical comparisons to other players.[/QUOTE]

You are strange. Imagine breaking up a tandem before they reached their prime. Denver proved why it’s worthwhile to hang on to your young talent and not give up. Celtics just cemented that notion.

[QUOTE=beasted;14925832]Screwing up a Championship formula before they even became champs? [/quote] Yes. That's even worse, the Celtics could have one less championship if Stevens thought like you. [QUOTE]Paying him more than any other team could pay him by giving him a max (and not the supermax) is trying to kill the formula?[/QUOTE]You have never heard of a player being offended by a contract offer. That's fine but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We have had this conversation before.

[Quote]To each his own. The only thing you're right about is that there's no having a logical conversation about anything Celtics with you. You're incapable of an impartial opinion rooted in any facts or logical comparisons to other players.[/QUOTE] You are the idiot that would actually say the Celtics did the wrong thing after Brown led them to a championship and earned finals MVP. Go take a look in the mirror. I've been arguing with morons for years about the value of Tatum and Brown. Guess what? We Celtics fans have been right all along.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925839]Yes. That's even worse, the Celtics could have one less championship if Stevens thought like you. You have never heard of a player being offended by a contract offer. That's fine but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We have had this conversation before.

You are the idiot that would actually say the Celtics did the wrong thing after Brown led them to a championship and earned finals MVP. Go take a look in the mirror. I've been arguing with morons for years about the value of Tatum and Brown. Guess what? We Celtics fans have been right all along.[/QUOTE]

How could the Celtics have one less championship when the earliest that Brown could become a free agent is this summer?

Also, in this hypothetical alternate reality, Brown would be so offended by the Celtics offer that he would have left for less years and less money per year.

Right.

[QUOTE=beasted;14925841]How could the Celtics have one less championship when the earliest that Brown could become a free agent is this summer?

Also, in this hypothetical alternate reality, Brown would be so offended by the Celtics offer that he would have left for less years and less money per year.

Right.[/QUOTE]

How many stars do we have to see force trades for you to understand that it happens?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925845]How many stars do we have to see force trades for you to understand that it happens?[/QUOTE]

You know that forcing a trade still won't get him a supermax, nor a 5 year deal, right?

[QUOTE=beasted;14925848]You know that forcing a trade still won't get him a supermax, nor a 5 year deal, right?[/QUOTE]

It would get him in to a new team that he isn't angry with for low-balling him. You appear to think the Celtics are stupid, that they offered Brown what they did for fun. He's one of the leaders of the NBPA. He's not taking less than he's worth. The Celtics did the right thing and won a championship. They know what he's worth to them. You clearly don't. Now why is averaging 23.9ppg in the playoffs as a second option laughable?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925849]It would get him in to a new team that he isn't angry with for low-balling him. You appear to think the Celtics are stupid, that they offered Brown what they did for fun. He's one of the leaders of the NBPA. He's not taking less than he's worth. The Celtics did the right thing and won a championship. They know what he's worth to them. You clearly don't. Now why is averaging 23.9ppg in the playoffs as a second option laughable?[/QUOTE]

This is a very illogical take that has never happened in league history. But sure, Brown would be a first.

I don't think any 2nd options who've proved they cannot play up to the standard of a first option is worth the supermax. It's nothing personal to Jaylen.

[QUOTE=beasted;14925855]This is a very illogical take that has never happened in league history. But sure, Brown would be a first.

I don't think any 2nd options who've proved they cannot play up to the standard of a first option is worth the supermax. It's nothing personal to Jaylen.[/QUOTE]

So we're not going to answer the question of why 23.9ppg is a laughable postseason? Then I guess asking how 26.9 ppg (22-23 season) is not up to the standard of a first option would be pointless.

No, Jaylen Brown would not be the first player to demand a trade. Have you been posting any attention at all?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14925860]So we're not going to answer the question of why 23.9ppg is a laughable postseason? Then I guess asking how 26.9 ppg (22-23 season) is not up to the standard of a first option would be pointless.

No, Jaylen Brown would not be the first player to demand a trade. Have you been posting any attention at all?[/QUOTE]

23.9 PPG is the lowest career high playoff PPG, and 26.9 PPG is the lowest regular season PPG for any player receiving a 35% of cap supermax. The players who've received a 35% supermax (that were only eligible for 30% otherwise) are Curry, Lillard, Davis, Harden, Giannis, Tatum. Brown is significantly worse than every one of these players and that's not debatable. Agreed?

You are right, and I was wrong. After doing research, Brown would only be the 3rd player eligible for a 5 year supermax since inception to leave and take less. The first 2 were Durant and Kawhi. Point stands that it's still very unlikely.

So the 23.9 is laughable because of 35% instead of 30%? Somehow that just isn't that funny. The Celtics will be keeping the team intact in spite of that 5%. They would be way over the cap either way and if you're worried about the owner's pockets that's very sweet of you but Grousbeck and company bought the team for 360 million and are likely to sell it for 5 billion. Thank you for your concern.

Update: Tillman and Queta have been resigned.

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14914383]Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Only guys who win multiple league or finals mvp's are.

Of course he is. You never get anywhere near same value if you trade a guy like Brown.

He just won the two MVPs of the series for the ECF and Finals. He was their best player in the biggest series. That is deserving of the max amount he can be paid. It was obviously the correct decision for a "win now" team like the Celtics were and continue to be for the next few years.

With how much scrubs get paid nowadays I'm fine with paying a player of j Brown's caliber.

[QUOTE=tpols;14926140]With how much scrubs get paid nowadays I'm fine with paying a player of j Brown's caliber.[/QUOTE]

I can accept this stance. There have been plenty of slightly above mediocre guys breaking banks.

I thought he wasn´t a superstar and he didn´t worth that huge contract.
I was not right
The Ring Justifies everything (is like that Middleton contract)

Sorry J. Brown.

[URL="https://share.newsbreak.com/7tz5oqps"]Sam Hauser extended for 4 years [/URL]

So the short list for potential owners is Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffet. Are there any other possible issues with this deal? [QUOTE=JISU;14926390]I thought he wasn´t a superstar and he didn´t worth that huge contract.
I was not right
The Ring Justifies everything (is like that Middleton contract)

Sorry J. Brown.[/QUOTE]

We appreciate the "Come to Jaylen" moment. Your sins are forgiven.