[QUOTE=Manny98;14936827]Klay is the most overrated defender ever, he's always been a negative on that end, Jokic and Barkley are going to feast against your interior[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you suck at these things man, it's just a silly draft. It's okay.
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[QUOTE=Manny98;14936827]Klay is the most overrated defender ever, he's always been a negative on that end, Jokic and Barkley are going to feast against your interior[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you suck at these things man, it's just a silly draft. It's okay.
Manu > Kyrie
Ray > Klay
Barkley and Giannis is a wash
Jokic > Bird
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936831]Manu > Kyrie
Ray > Klay
Barkley and Giannis is a wash
Jokic > Bird[/QUOTE]
Kyrie > Manu quite easily, but I like Manu. Kyrie is the 2nd greatest shooting PG ever. 40+% on high volume from 3, best midrange shooting pg ever and best finishing PG. Best tough shot making pg. Offensively he's the most talented pg ever
Klay is better shooter and defender than ray. Ray better off the dribble but my team doesn't need that
Giannis easily better than Barkley.
And Bird/Jokic is close but wouldn't want Jokers defense unless paired with an elite rim protector. You paired him with the worst defensive option possible in ****ing Barkley :roll:
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936831][B][I][U]Manu > Kyrie
Ray > Klay
Barkley and Giannis is a wash[/U][/I][/B]
Jokic > Bird[/QUOTE]
Hahaha what?
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936832]Kyrie > Manu quite easily, but I like Manu. Kyrie is the 2nd greatest shooting PG ever. 40+% on high volume from 3, best midrange shooting pg ever and best finishing PG. Best tough shot making pg. Offensively he's the most talented pg ever
Klay is better shooter and defender than ray. Ray better off the dribble but my team doesn't need that
Giannis easily better than Barkley.
And Bird/Jokic is close but wouldn't want Jokers defense unless paired with an elite rim protector. You paired him with the worst defensive option possible in ****ing Barkley :roll:[/QUOTE]
Kyrie is my favorite player of all time but prime wise Manu was way more impactful as a player and better at virtually everything
Milwaukee Ray Allen was literally a top 10 player in the league and was carrying teams deep into the playoffs, Klay is the third/4th beat player on the Warriors in their championship runs stop it
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936841]Kyrie is my favorite player of all time but prime wise Manu was way more impactful as a player and better at virtually everything
Milwaukee Ray Allen was literally a top 10 player in the league and was carrying teams deep into the playoffs, Klay is the third/4th beat player on the Warriors in their championship runs stop it[/QUOTE]
Manu is better at passing and that's literally it. But yes, virtually everything. Nice argument.
I'll concede on Ray being the better player in a vacuum, but I'd rather have Klay as my 3rd/4th option. Dude dropped 60 points in 3 quarters with 11 dribbles. He's the best catch and shoot player ever and actually provides elite D unlike Allen. Klay is literally a 1 of 1 and a perfect compliment to more ball dominant players. Fit and optimization is something low IQs have problems grasping, which is why you surrounded Jokic with terrible fits at almost every position. My team not only out-talents yours, but it also significantly out-fits yours, which is arguably more important.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936846]Manu is better at passing and that's literally it. But yes, virtually everything. Nice argument.
I'll concede on Ray being the better player in a vacuum, but I'd rather have Klay as my 3rd/4th option. Dude dropped 60 points in 3 quarters with 11 dribbles. He's the best catch and shoot player ever and actually provides elite D unlike Allen. Klay is literally a 1 of 1 and a perfect compliment to more ball dominant players. Fit and optimization is something low IQs have problems grasping, which is why you surrounded Jokic with terrible fits at almost every position. My team not only out-talents yours, but it also significantly out-fits yours, which is arguably more important.[/QUOTE]
Passing, Defense , IQ, finishing, more efficient, way more impactful
Your team doesn't out talent anything I have a far superior backcourt and Jokic would easily be the best player on the floor if our teams were to go head to head
Don't worry about my fit because my team isn't finished yet
Paulina George
Mark Price
Ewing
[QUOTE=Manny98;14936806]I have enough spacing on my team and I'm aware my interior defense is lacking but I still have 3 picks remaining to solve that[/QUOTE]
Out of all the guys that have won DPOY and / or been great defenders like 95% of them are still available ~ Dwight, Rodman, Kidd, Mutumbo, Zo, Bogut, Gary Payton, Noah, Dray, Wallace bros, AK47, Matrix, Tyson Chandler, Ron Artest, Bill Lambier, Karl Malone, Sidney Moncrief, etc.
So I think you'll be straight if you just grab some combination of those guys. You already have Pippen too whose one of the best defenders ever.
[QUOTE=tpols;14936862]Out of all the guys that have won DPOY and / or been great defenders like 95% of them are still available ~ Dwight, Rodman, Kidd, Mutumbo, Gary Payton, Noah, Dray, Wallace bros, AK47, Matrix, Tyson Chandler, Ron Artest, Bill Lambier, Karl Malone, Sidney Moncrief, etc.
So I think you'll be straight if you just grab some combination of those guys. You already have Pippen too whose one of the best defenders ever.[/QUOTE]
Yep not giving anything away but the players I want will round out my team so well I'm well aware of my lack of rim protection which will be addressed as long as somebody doesn't pick the guys I want
Pierce
Jason Kidd
Draymond and Booker
Draymond adds all-time defense, could guard multiple positions, brings playmaking & leadership. Could start Draymond and bring KD off the bench depending on the match-up, similar to what Team USA did to Durant in the Olympics.
What Booker did in the Olympics got me sold on how he would fit with other stars. He took a lesser role and excelled at it. Played great defense & excelled as a catch and shoot guy at times and was able to contribute in other areas. I really thought he was the most consistent player along with LeBron throughout the Olympics. Kerr fell in love with the guy.
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Embiid
KD | Draymond
Kawhi
Booker
Stockton
I’m taking Sheed
Booker is not a good defender but that's the thing. It's good to pick superstars on your team rather than role players because more talented guys can and almost always improve on defense when they are given a lesser offensive load.
Zo Mourning
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936899]I’m taking Sheed[/QUOTE]
He was my back up plan if someone took Draymond. :lol
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936900]Booker is not a good defender but that's the thing. It's good to pick superstars on your team rather than role players because more talented guys can and almost always improve on defense when they are given a lesser offensive load.[/QUOTE]
Booker played great defense at the Olympics. Without having a big role on offense he was able to focus more on the things that role players usually do. Not all stars can make that transition though, Edwards at the Olympics although solid, was kinda of a ball stopper at times and killed the offensive flow. But some stars can indeed make that transition. I know T-Mac was a really good defender before he got a greater role on offense. It's very taxing for a star (especially a wing) to go 100% on offense & defense all the time.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936902]He was my back up plan if someone took Draymond. :lol
Booker played great defense at the Olympics. Without having a big role on offense he was able to focus more on the things that role players usually do. Not all stars can make that transition though, Edwards at the Olympics although solid, was kinda of a ball stopper at times and killed the flow. But some stars can indeed make that transition. I know T-Mac was a really good defender before he got a greater role on offense. It's very taxing for a star (especially a wing) to go 100% on offense & defense all the time.[/QUOTE]
Yea same with Kawhi. He peaked on D before his offensive load went up. From 2017 onwards, his D is very overrated. But the luxury is that most of our teams have plenty of scoring so you can pick the most complementary versions of these players. For instance I'll take 2008 Paul Pierce over his peak version. Takes a few less shots but more efficient, great from 3pt land and played good D.
Booker’s defense is average, not terrible, but if you have to have a defensive liability it might as well be from your guard rather than big. I’d probably bring him off the bench as instant offense, he’s a combo guard who can play the 1 and 2; start Draymond and dare the other team to try to cover KD with whatever 6’4 midget they have at the 2.
Pretty ****ing crazy that in an all time draft you can’t put together a curry, KD, Klay and Draymond core.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936906]Pretty ****ing crazy that in an all time draft you can’t put together a curry, KD, Klay and Draymond core.[/QUOTE]
After I drafted Kawhi & KD as my first picks I was hoping I would get a PF like Draymond or Sheed (because I knew I would need a PF who could defend the post) and both were somehow available in these rounds. It's very hard to find your modern day power forward in these drafts because the position is rather new.
I feel like those type of PFs in these drafts can be more valuable than your traditional PF like McHale, Barkley, & Malone because the league has changed so much in terms of spacing. On another note I feel like Bird would be the perfect PF in today's league.
I was gonna draft Sheed but he's actually not that great of a 3pt shooter. 35-36% from 3pt range on what were mostly open threes for him doesn't really move the needle for a great offense.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936909]I was gonna draft Sheed but he's actually not that great of a 3pt shooter. 35-36% from 3pt range on what were mostly open threes for him doesn't really move the needle for a great offense.[/QUOTE]
36% is pretty respectable, it's about league average. It's more about opening up the offense and keeping defenders honest. Having multiple shooters makes life so much easier for your bigs and wings who like to attack. Sheed is great post defender as well, he's a guy who would fit on any team on these drafts because he doesn't need a big role on offense to excel.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936909]I was gonna draft Sheed but he's actually not that great of a 3pt shooter. 35-36% from 3pt range on what were mostly open threes for him doesn't really move the needle for a great offense.[/QUOTE]All those times teams would double Ben Wallace on the block and leave Sheed right? Foh
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936911]All those times teams would double Ben Wallace on the block and leave Sheed right? Foh[/QUOTE]
Opposing PF/C didn't defend Sheed at the 3pt line. He was mostly open.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14936914][B]Opposing PF/C didn't defend Sheed at the 3pt line. [/B] He was mostly open.[/QUOTE]
Yes they did, Big Ben was one of the biggest offensively liabilities ever; very few teams played 4 on 5 like those Pistons did. You're not going to leave Sheed in that situation.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936916]Yes they did, Big Ben was one of the biggest offensively liabilities ever; very few teams played 4 on 5 like those Pistons did. You're not going to leave Sheed in that situation.[/QUOTE]
If you look at Sheeds splits and highlights he was mostly a post game turn around midrange jumpshot shooter. Teams weren't crowding him from 3. That wasnt even his game back then.
[video=youtube_share;-gvZFwDoeyU]https://youtu.be/-gvZFwDoeyU?si=Ah3d9NMPfab6K06o[/video]
Ball don't lie. And neither does the tape.
If you want a clutch stretch 4 who can play defense and bang timely 3s know who yall are discounting?
Robert Horry.
[QUOTE=tpols;14936935]If you look at Sheeds splits and highlights he was mostly a post game turn around midrange jumpshot shooter. Teams weren't crowding him from 3. That wasnt even his game back then.
[video=youtube_share;-gvZFwDoeyU]https://youtu.be/-gvZFwDoeyU?si=Ah3d9NMPfab6K06o[/video]
Ball don't lie. And neither does the tape.
[B]If you want a clutch stretch 4 who can play defense and bang timely 3s know who yall are discounting?
[/B]
Robert Horry.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't looking for a 3 and D stretch 4, I wanted someone who can create on the block, run the floor, is a good defender with length ~7foot, good feet defensively, money from mid range and is respectable from 3. Would I prefer he was an elite 40%'er from there? of course I would, but Horry doesn't check enough boxes. Maybe as like a last pick to round out my team.
[QUOTE=tpols;14936935]If you want a clutch stretch 4 who can play defense and bang timely 3s know who yall are discounting?
Robert Horry.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=tpols;14936935]If you look at Sheeds splits and highlights he was mostly a post game turn around midrange jumpshot shooter. [B]Teams weren't crowding him from 3[/B].[/QUOTE]There are a handful of players in nba history who warrants that kind of attention from 3, and Robert Horry wasn't even one of them :lol
Acting like that's the standard is wild.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936950]I wasn't looking for a 3 and D stretch 4, [B]I wanted someone who can create on the block,[/B] run the floor, is a good defender with length ~7foot, good feet defensively, money from mid range and is respectable from 3. Would I prefer he was an elite 40%'er from there? of course I would, but Horry doesn't check enough boxes. Maybe as like a last pick to round out my team.[/QUOTE]
You've already got that in Tim Duncan and Wemby in the post and around the paint. Why would you need to crowd that out more?
Horry is the perfect role player in all of NBA history especially as it pertains to the modern game. He was athletic, tall and big, had great shooting skills, and most importantly when your stars are getting doubled in crunch time he has the cajones to never be scared and drill clutch shots.
Malone. Him and Ewing are both guys who can fit with Giannis offensively due to their midrange shooting bringing centers out of the paint. Plus just another big athletic freak and great defender. Would split his minutes with Ewing pretty evenly.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936954]Malone. Him and Ewing are both guys who can fit with Giannis offensively due to their midrange shooting bringing centers out of the paint. Plus just another big athletic freak and great defender. Would split his minutes with Ewing pretty evenly.[/QUOTE]
I’m guessing this is Karl and not Moses?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14936955]I’m guessing this is Karl and not Moses?[/QUOTE]
Lol, yes.
Let's be real though; imagine almost certainly has the best team and will get the most votes.
Can't believe we let this dude surround curry with PG, KG, and D-Rob.. :lol
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14936967]Let's be real though; imagine almost certainly has the best team and will get the most votes.
Can't believe we let this dude surround curry with PG, KG, and D-Rob.. :lol[/QUOTE]I thought Manny was taking Admiral for sure as one of his double picks.
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[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14936973]I thought Manny was taking Admiral for sure as one of his double picks.[/QUOTE]
Manny dropped the ball on every pick after Jokic lol.
But anyways, I do think my team has an argument for best. Giannis brings an element that no team really has in terms of a guy who can attack the paint from anywhere on the floor and finish with all-time great efficiency while being a great passer. He has seasons more efficient than Shaq in terms of post scoring so him being surrounded by all-time great shooters is pretty nasty. 3pt shooting, midrange, transition, and post scoring my team doesn't have a weakness.
Although I do forsee imagine winning this thing