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[QUOTE=8Ball;14940768]LeBron has 3 golds, 1 bronze in the olympics.
[B]Jordan has 2.[/b]
LeBron also better olympic performer and olympic MVP at age 39.
LeBron is a vastly better performer in he olympics vs tougher competition than Jordan was.
Jordan worship is 100% nostalgia at this point.[/QUOTE]
Two what? But two, as in...
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[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941074]No wonder you were banned. I sent you a list of Bird's bad games, with full boxscores (more than what you provided) and you claimed there was no "context", yet your weak attempts in your Lebron list have less context :roll:
Just go home bro, your done. I proved Larry has more chokes than Lebron while playing over 100 less playoff games.[/QUOTE]
Here's another fun fact for you: Seeing how the illustrious GAME SCORE is the end-all-be-all stat, did you know that Lebron is not even in the top ten for highest playoff game score? And barely cracks the top 20, behind the likes of non-chokers such as Jamal Murray? Did you know that?
Must suck to be a Bronie....
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941084]Here's another fun fact for you: Seeing how the illustrious GAME SCORE is the end-all-be-all stat, did you know that Lebron is not even in the top ten for highest playoff game score? And barely cracks the top 20, behind the likes of non-chokers such as Jamal Murray? Did you know that?
Must suck to be a Bronie....[/QUOTE]
Lebron is routinely considered to be in the top 2-3 all time. I don't think the Lebron stans are struggling :lol
Also, Glad to see you have seen the light and recognized gamescore. Did you know Lebron has a top 3 playoff gamescore average of all time? That is insane considering he also has the most playoff games every played. He has 5 of the top 50 gamescore playoff games of all time, and the highest game score ever recorded in a finals game. Only MJ has a higher average based on all retired players.
Meanwhile, poor Larry Bird mustered up one single game in the top 100 for game score, which is only the 92nd highest game score in the playoffs :cry:
To all the teams that won silver in the NBA, they all must have felt really good about placing second every time. The NBA should start celebrating finals losses.
[QUOTE=Airupthere;14941099]To all the teams that won silver in the NBA, they all must have felt really good about placing second every time. The NBA should start celebrating finals losses.[/QUOTE]
No problem, we can ignore silvers and look at the players who won championships as the best player and best player specifically in the finals.
Here are the top 2 in the 3-point era.
MJ - 6
Lebron - 4
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941089]Lebron is routinely considered to be in the top 2-3 all time. I don't think the Lebron stans are struggling :lol
Also, Glad to see you have seen the light and recognized gamescore. Did you know Lebron has a top 3 playoff gamescore average of all time? That is insane considering he also has the most playoff games every played. He has 5 of the top 50 gamescore playoff games of all time, and the highest game score ever recorded in a finals game. Only MJ has a higher average based on all retired players.
Meanwhile, poor Larry Bird mustered up one single game in the top 100 for game score, which is only the 92nd highest game score in the playoffs :cry:[/QUOTE]
Lol at this guy being stuck on game score.
Let me educate you some more.
Did you know that Larry Bird is considered one of the clutchest players of all time?
Meanwhile, did you know that Lebron has the most choke jobs of all time, including the most epic choke job in the history of the sport?
Yes, Lebron has lots of great playoff performances, but they don't erase his choke jobs no matter how much you wish they do.
"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but GAME SCORE!!!!!! :cry:"
[QUOTE=Airupthere;14941099]To all the teams that won silver in the NBA, they all must have felt really good about placing second every time. The NBA should start celebrating finals losses.[/QUOTE]
To play for championship or not to play for a championship.... what's your answer?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14941127]To play for championship or not to play for a championship.... what's your answer?[/QUOTE]
Dumb question. Here's another one:
To play for a championship or to win a championship...What's your answer?
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941089]Lebron is routinely considered to be in the top 2-3 all time. I don't think the Lebron stans are struggling :lol
Also, Glad to see you have seen the light and recognized gamescore. Did you know Lebron has a top 3 playoff gamescore average of all time? That is insane considering he also has the most playoff games every played. He has 5 of the top 50 gamescore playoff games of all time, and the highest game score ever recorded in a finals game. Only MJ has a higher average based on all retired players.
Meanwhile, poor Larry Bird mustered up one single game in the top 100 for game score, which is only the 92nd highest game score in the playoffs :cry:[/QUOTE]
Since we are going by game score.
LeBron's game 6 vs Warriors in 2016 is the highest game score recorded in NBA finals game.
[QUOTE=Axe;14941080]Two what? But two, as in...
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Jordan only has 2 olympic gold medals.
Jordan's first olympic attendance was 1980, he finally retired for good in 2002. So Olympic wise, only 2 gold medals in 22 years.
LeBron 3 golds, 1 bronze in 20 years. LeBron is the vastly superior Olympic player than Jordan.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14538126]Lebron did it.
Finally. Been waiting 25 years for someone to surpass Jordan and it happened in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]
And yet.....Jordan is STILL consensus GOAT. I mean, it's not even close. That has to hurt!
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Don't worry, maybe Wembanyama will finally do it.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941107]Lol at this guy being stuck on game score.
Let me educate you some more.
Did you know that Larry Bird is considered one of the clutchest players of all time?
Meanwhile, did you know that Lebron has the most choke jobs of all time, including the most epic choke job in the history of the sport?
Yes, Lebron has lots of great playoff performances, but they don't erase his choke jobs no matter how much you wish they do.
"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but GAME SCORE!!!!!! :cry:"[/QUOTE]
We already disproved your claim that Lebron has the most chokes of all time. By the way Lebron has the most game winners and clutch shots of all time in the playoffs. Lebron also has the highest career 4th quarter ppg average in NBA history.
Sorry buddy, Lebron is factually one of the most clutch playoff performers of all time. Your low-IQ trolling doesn't change reality.
Feel free to show me the data the proves Larry is one of the clutchest players of all time. Keep coming back to me. You are an easy punching bag.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941218]We already disproved your claim that Lebron has the most chokes of all time. [B]By the way Lebron has the most game winners and clutch shots of all time in the playoffs[/B]. Lebron also has the highest career 4th quarter ppg average in NBA history.
Sorry buddy, Lebron is factually one of the most clutch playoff performers of all time. Your low-IQ trolling doesn't change reality.
Feel free to show me the data the proves Larry is one of the clutchest players of all time. Keep coming back to me. You are an easy punching bag.[/QUOTE]
Nope. He doesn't. That's misinformation by people who twist the meaning of "clutch."
I've had a standing challenge to Bronie fluffers to show me someone who has more chokes than Lebron. Nobody's done it. I guess the name "LeShrivel" didn't just come out of nowhere.
So sorry. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941222]Nope. He doesn't. That's misinformation by people who twist the meaning of "clutch."
I've had a standing challenge to Bronie fluffers to show me someone who has more chokes than Lebron. Nobody's done it. I guess the name "LeShrivel" didn't just come out of nowhere.
So sorry. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I already showed you Bird had more despite playing over 120 LESS games. Other players like Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and the majority of the players who have played the most playoff games have more chokes than Lebron :lol. Only MJ has a better ratio of good playoff games to chokes.
Also you are really struggling by claiming "game winning shots" aren't clutch :lol
You have yet to give everyone your criteria/definition of chokes and clutch. You've shown no other data either to compare to your dumbass Lebron list.
Idk man, at this point I am getting bored. Sure I keep proving you wrong and even giving you an opportunity to make your claims better, but you literally aren't doing anything. It's lame and I am bored AF now with you. Like I said in the beginning, your entire premise is dumb since you are only trying to compare "volume" instead of "ratio" (i.e how many games played).
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941231]I already showed you Bird had more despite playing over 120 LESS games. Other players like Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and the majority of the players who have played the most playoff games have more chokes than Lebron :lol. Only MJ has a better ratio of good playoff games to chokes.
Also you are really struggling by claiming "game winning shots" aren't clutch :lol
You have yet to give everyone your criteria/definition of chokes and clutch. You've shown no other data either to compare to your dumbass Lebron list.
Idk man, at this point I am getting bored. Sure I keep proving you wrong and even giving you an opportunity to make your claims better, but you literally aren't doing anything. It's lame and I am bored AF now with you. Like I said in the beginning, your entire premise is dumb since you are only trying to compare "volume" instead of "ratio" (i.e how many games played).[/QUOTE]
Lol. No, you showed me that you have no clue how to see beyind the raw number of a stat. And you clearly have no clue what choking is.
Here, let me educate you some more. You'll thank me later.
[video=youtube;a3lAuohZvnE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lAuohZvnE[/video]
[video=youtube;JphetiuFDak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JphetiuFDak[/video]
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941250]Lol. No, you showed me that you have no clue how to see beyind the raw number of a stat. And you clearly have no clue what choking is.
Here, let me educate you some more. You'll thank me later.
[video=youtube;a3lAuohZvnE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lAuohZvnE[/video]
[video=youtube;JphetiuFDak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JphetiuFDak[/video][/QUOTE]
I can tell you struggled to graduation high school...if you even managed to do that.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941264]I can tell you [B][SIZE=5]struggled to graduation high school[/SIZE][/B]...if you even managed to do that.[/QUOTE]
Oh the irony.....:roll:
I see that you refuse to educate yourself.
Very closed minded. :confusedshrug:
[video=youtube;-RFoVbZKSgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFoVbZKSgI[/video]
If it was LeBron, "What a choker"
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14941276][video=youtube;-RFoVbZKSgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFoVbZKSgI[/video]
If it was LeBron, "What a choker"[/QUOTE]
Well, I have in fact demonstrated that Lebron has the most choke jobs of all time.
Excpet of course for Tom Brady.
:roll:
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941309]Well, I have in fact demonstrated that Lebron has the most choke jobs of all time.
Excpet of course for Tom Brady.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
You haven't demonstrated anything because you still haven't defined what a choke is or given any specific criteria that we can use to compare players.
Meanwhile everyone else has given specific items and info to show Lebron is indeed clutch. We are waiting on that criteria of yours.
Also that fact that you are comparing Lebron to Tom Brady is well...interesting. Hey if you want to say he and Lebron are the GOATs then go ahead.
Also got my thread to 100 comments and go to bodybag Full Court about a dozen times. Feels good.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941079]After 25 years....
Jordan is still the consensus GOAT.
:lebronamazed:
Read it and weep. :lol
Hey, [b][u][size=25]rememeber[/b][/u][/size] that time you thought that telling everyone that you rented a 1,300 square foot apartment was going to impress them? :roll:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941309]Well, I have in fact demonstrated that Lebron has the most choke jobs of all time.
[B][u][size=25]Excpet[/b][/u][/size] of course for Tom Brady.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941319]You haven't demonstrated anything because you still haven't defined what a choke is or given any specific criteria that we can use to compare players.
Meanwhile everyone else has given specific items and info to show Lebron is indeed clutch. We are waiting on that criteria of yours.
Also that fact that you are comparing Lebron to Tom Brady is well...interesting. Hey if you want to say he and Lebron are the GOATs then go ahead.
Also got my thread to 100 comments and go to bodybag Full Court about a dozen times. Feels good.[/QUOTE]
7 pages into this thread and you still haven't been able to show a single person that's ever said not making the finals was better than making it.
Which was the whole premise of your thread.
And you got DESTROYED.
Here's a serious question. Who has more choke jobs, you or Lebron?
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941341]7 pages into this thread and you still haven't been able to show a single person that's ever said not making the finals was better than making it.
Which was the whole premise of your thread.
And you got DESTROYED.
Here's a serious question. Who has more choke jobs, you or Lebron?[/QUOTE]
There are many people who think a 4-0 finals record is more impressive then a 4-6 finals record. You know this but just want to keep posting for some reason.
Many people think MJ is goat for the simple reason that he went 6-0 in the finals. While impressive, if you asked these people if it would be better for MJ to have a 6-2 finals record, they would often say no.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941407]There are many people who think a 4-0 finals record is more impressive then a 4-6 finals record. You know this but just want to keep posting for some reason.
Many people think MJ is goat for the simple reason that he went 6-0 in the finals. While impressive, if you asked these people if it would be better for MJ to have a 6-2 finals record, they would often say no.[/QUOTE]
So your argument is assuming what some imaginary people WOULD say, but have not actually said.
Ok.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14941409]So your argument is assuming what some imaginary people WOULD say, but have not actually said.
Ok.[/QUOTE]
Not imaginary, very real people all the time. You must live under a rock :roll:
Keep coming back to me though. Love to see my thread explode.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941407]There are many people who think a 4-0 finals record is more impressive then a 4-6 finals record. You know this but just want to keep posting for some reason.
Many people think MJ is goat for the simple reason that he went 6-0 in the finals. While impressive, if you asked these people if it would be better for MJ to have a 6-2 finals record, they would often say no.[/QUOTE]
The problem with being satisfied in just reaching the finals with lebron is this. He went to superteam in MIA that was so dominant and unprecedented that even bron boldly predicted not 7, not 8 championships. They knew they broke something. Only to go 2/4. You can blame Wade or Bosh all you want but if you are claiming a stake at being GOAT, part of that responsibility is driving the team to win when you are already poised to win. Lebron did not exhibit that. Not making the finals while clearly not having the personnel or team make up is understandable. Losing in the finals, when you already have the tools and then some more, is what's not acceptable and should not be celebrated as a "silver".
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941412]Not imaginary, very real people all the time. You must live under a rock :roll:
Keep coming back to me though. Love to see my thread explode.[/QUOTE]
Still waiting for you to show me a single one.
If you could, you would have. You're just making yourself look stupid and desperate lol.
[QUOTE=Airupthere;14941414]The problem with being satisfied in just reaching the finals with lebron is this. He went to superteam in MIA that was so dominant and unprecedented that even bron boldly predicted not 7, not 8 championships. They knew they broke something. Only to go 2/4. You can blame Wade or Bosh all you want but if you are claiming a stake at being GOAT, part of that responsibility is driving the team to win when you are already poised to win. Lebron did not exhibit that. Not making the finals while clearly not having the personnel or team make up is understandable. Losing in the finals, when you already have the tools and then some more, is what's not acceptable and should not be celebrated as a "silver".[/QUOTE]
The only loss on Lebron is 2011 and he gets hammered for that to this day. Even I think it's the biggest blackmark in his career. Also it's not about being satisfied with a silver, it's just acknowledging that it's a notable achievement. Winning your conference has always been an achievement.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14941457][B]The only loss on Lebron is 2011[/B] and he gets hammered for that to this day. Even I think it's the biggest blackmark in his career. Also it's not about being satisfied with a silver, it's just acknowledging that it's a notable achievement. Winning your conference has always been an achievement.[/QUOTE]
Please reference the list of choke jobs I posted earlier in this thread.
bron was over heard the other day if Bronny and he do not play at least 5 minutes per game... he will ask for a trade
[QUOTE=Jasper;14942223]bron was over heard the other day if Bronny and he do not play at least 5 minutes per game... he will ask for a trade[/QUOTE]
Source?
I'm skeptical.