[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14974170]Makes the Mavs 10x better now.[/QUOTE]
Defense is about to be super elite.
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14974170]Makes the Mavs 10x better now.[/QUOTE]
Defense is about to be super elite.
[QUOTE=tpols;14974166]An AD Lively Gafford frontcourt rotation is super S tier. They're going to bully teams. [/QUOTE]
We're not going to do $hit but watch the Lakers play Cleveland or Boston in the Finals.
Do we really believe OKC is going to make it to the Finals?
[QUOTE=tpols;14974175]Defense is about to be super elite.[/QUOTE]
About to be super injured.
They can't all 3 stay healthy
[QUOTE=tpols;14974175]Defense is about to be super elite.[/QUOTE]
Good luck on getting ad to play as much as possible.
Ya know, AD had been making his pitch to play next to a center recently.
I wonder if the Lakers couldnt see a long term move to make in that regard, and AD's agent identified Dallas as a potential place to quietly make a call to.
Because the thing is, Davis is gonna be around longer than Bron. He might have been looking ahead and not wanting the pressure of being stuck at center with a so-so squad in the most scrutinized market in basketball. Hes a low key guy and I dont think he really wants to be 'the guy' deep down.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Rich Paul made some back door overtures to Dallas about this, and then Dallas approached the Lakers. Nico Harris is close with The James Gang. Theyd trust him to keep it hush if thats what happened.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14974174]LeBron and Luka works like how Harden and CP3 worked. They don't shoot as well but they're bigger and stronger and finish inside better. LeBron has never played with a guy like Luka before. Kyrie had the scoring but not the passing. Wade didn't have the shooting. AD is an off-ball guy.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook. Albeit Luka is way smarter and better. But he's hurt now too. Dallas pulled a heist.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14974176]We're not going to do $hit but watch the Lakers play Cleveland or Boston in the Finals.
Do we really believe OKC is going to make it to the Finals?[/QUOTE]
If chet is back, yes.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14974170]Makes the Mavs 10x better now.[/QUOTE]
If Kyrie stays healthy, maybe.
If he gets hurt, who is gonna bird feed all these bigs? None of them are great at creating their own and that includes Davis. Hes less skilled than I think a lot of people realize. He gets points being bird fed and grabbing offensive rebounds. It's not a knock but thats his game. Still can be very effective. Hes also not much of a playmaker.
Kyrie is gonna be the key to the whole thing. Theyd better pray he stays healthy.
[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14974185]If Kyrie stays healthy, maybe.
If he gets hurt, who is gonna bird feed all these bigs? None of them are great at creating their own and that includes Davis. Hes less skilled than I think a lot of people realize. He gets points being bird fed and grabbing offensive rebounds. It's not a knock but thats his game. Still can be very effective. Hes also not much of a playmaker.
Kyrie is gonna be the key to the whole thing. Theyd better pray he stays healthy.[/QUOTE]
He averaged 30+ppg in the playoffs with the Pelicans. Dude gets buckets regardless. Obviously if they lose their only other All Star talent to injury they'll sink but you can say that about any team.
The NBA doesn't make sense anymore.
Honestly feels like WWE.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14974086]I wonder if Luka privately told the Mavericks that he’s done and wants out.[/QUOTE]
I think that is very obvious and he's been done with Mavs for some time.
Mavs fans have been delusional. The Mavs and their GM's have not been able to put a decent team around him.
Also it seemed obvious to me that Luka would always go to the Lakers, because he is a big time charismatic star that wants the limelight.
He's just been professional about it and not asked for a trade in public.
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Is this the biggest negative surprise for a franchise since Shaq left for LA?
Feels very similar.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14974115]Rumors on Twitter that LeBron to the Warriors is gaining some traction.[/QUOTE]
For whom?
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[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14974174]LeBron and Luka works like how Harden and CP3 worked. They don't shoot as well but they're bigger and stronger and finish inside better. LeBron has never played with a guy like Luka before. Kyrie had the scoring but not the passing. Wade didn't have the shooting. AD is an off-ball guy.[/QUOTE]
Luka supposedly was not happy about being asked to play off ball this season, so I don't see how he goes and stands in the corner.
The Lebron to Warriors rumor seem more likely.
Nothing standing between the Lakers and the ship now.
I had no to go on about 3 websites and 5 official Twitter accounts before I believed this was real.
The biggest most shocking trade in NBA history. Easily.
This is a great rebuilding move for the Lakers. James and Doncic are an awkward pairing and they are likely worse short-term but Doncic could give them 10 years of contention if he takes care of his body. They really should consider trading James to a contender. They might be able to match OKC for talent with the haul they would get back. James and Doncic could figure it out offensively but neither guy has ever had to play without the ball so that will be an adjustment and someone may be unhappy about it. Maybe even both of them. But the real problem is defense. On paper the Lakers right now are terrible at it. Who is going to protect the rim, Bron? Need to make a second move here.
Dallas initiating this makes me think there's something behind the scenes we don't know about. Doncic put that team on his back and took them to the finals. For them to move on from such a massive talent when he's only 25 is wild. Maybe the new owner didn't want to pay supermax, they don't like his attitude/think he's a poor leader, are really put off by his conditioning...I dont know what it is but I'm expecting for the backstabbing leaks to start soon. With that said, years ago Ainge had wanted to unite Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis and was ready to trade the Js to get it done. Kind of ironic that the team the Celtics just faced in the finals is going to achieve that vision. They will need Irving to perform like a franchise-leading superstar, a role he only has had for one postseason in his whole career with not-so-great results. But with AD that's a classic inside-outside combo and the Maverick defense on paper just got about 50 million times better. I think they could use another scoring wing but Dallas is going to be interesting if nothing else.
This trade is also great for the NBA. Assuming he doesn't make a stink about it they want stars of Doncic's caliber in LA and New York. Assuming they don't trade James we won't be able to get the Lakers off of our televisions.
The more I think about this, the more it makes sense for Dallas.
Luka has issues with his conditioning, attitude and overall leadership. As great as he is, he is unable to stay in shape, stop arguing with refs or whining like a bitch when things aren't going his way. Would you really want to a supermax to someone like that with those reservations? Is he really going to start putting in 100% effort and get ripped when he's making that sort of money? The answer is likely, no. The chances of Luka declining prematurely are far greater than him still being a bonafide superstar into his 30s. He will start picking up more and more injuries too.
Would you really want to roll the dice with your entire franchise on Luka Doncic? I'm not sure I would. With AD they can win right now and for a while if everyone stays healthy. With a team like the Mavs, its always about the here and now. They know it's hard to attract free agents. They're going for it at a time when every other team is beatable. There is no all-conquering juggernaut out there. For those reasons, this isn't a bad move.
Yoooooooo what the ****? I JUST saw this on my facebook timeline but I thought it was one of those scam headlines.
WHAT THE ****? Whyyyyy? Howwww?
I will say this, though. For all the talk of the next league face, Luka's national profile is about to blow up big-time in that Laker jersey.
This is just....the most from out of left field move I've seen in the NBA in some time. Makes me think Lebron's on the move too, they're blowing it up. But he's not leaving California, which leaves the Warriors and Clippers.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14974263]Makes me think Lebron's on the move too, they're blowing it up. But he's not leaving California, which leaves the Warriors and Clippers.[/QUOTE]
I agree he's not leaving California but he has a no trade clause with a player option. He ain't going anywhere unless he says so. It's almost embarrassing for him to have to agree to be shipped off.
IF he is going then it's got to be to the Dubs. We all know with LeBron its always about controlling the narrative. Going there means he can paint it as wanting to play with Steph before he retires rather than being surplus to the Lakers' plans. He would have a much better shot of a chip this season doing that then staying in LA.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14974222]Is this the biggest negative surprise for a franchise since Shaq left for LA?
Feels very similar.[/QUOTE]
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Cleveland nearly burnt themselves out of existence after this interview.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14974265]I agree he's not leaving California but he has a no trade clause with a player option. He ain't going anywhere unless he says so. It's almost embarrassing for him to have to agree to be shipped off.
IF he is going then it's got to be to the Dubs. We all know with LeBron its always about controlling the narrative. Going there means he can paint it as wanting to play with Steph before he retires rather than being surplus to the Lakers' plans. He would have a much better shot of a chip this season doing that then staying in LA.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the Lebron/Steph pairing has been making the rounds for some time now. So definitely the Dubs if he signs off.....
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14974255]The more I think about this, the more it makes sense for Dallas.
Luka has issues with his conditioning, attitude and overall leadership. As great as he is, he is unable to stay in shape, stop arguing with refs or whining like a bitch when things aren't going his way. Would you really want to a supermax to someone like that with those reservations? Is he really going to start putting in 100% effort and get ripped when he's making that sort of money? The answer is likely, no. The chances of Luka declining prematurely are far greater than him still being a bonafide superstar into his 30s. He will start picking up more and more injuries too.
Would you really want to roll the dice with your entire franchise on Luka Doncic? I'm not sure I would. With AD they can win right now and for a while if everyone stays healthy. With a team like the Mavs, its always about the here and now. They know it's hard to attract free agents. They're going for it at a time when every other team is beatable. There is no all-conquering juggernaut out there. For those reasons, this isn't a bad move.[/QUOTE]
what
Lakers already got a championship out of the AD trade and after signing Lebron.
100% of the league, when asked if you want Luka for AD, says yes. AD is 31, Luka is 25.
also none of things you mentioned are enough to let someone like Luka go. He still took the team to the finals despite the conditioning, whining, attitude. Unless there is something we don't know yet. Terrible move for Dallas. Huge W for Lakers
Lakers will be in contention for the next decade with this move.
reality is melting.
Practically, tho... a legit trade. Both teams improve. IF AD is on the floor, he might be better than Luka esp if you already have Kyrie. This'll be the first time you see Ky with a legit BIG and his own team. He is gonna show ya something. Luka, I dunno what he's gonna do.
-Smak
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LeBron's hairline then compared to whatever the hell they put on his head for the Trainwreck movie 5 years later :oldlol:
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also none of things you mentioned are enough to let someone like Luka go. [/QUOTE]
So why did they then? They're aware of all the things that you mentioned but traded him anyway.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14974088]Most shocking and out no where trade in all my years of watching the NBA.
I still can't believe it.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
100%.
Complete insanity.
The one thing glaring in this thread is people undervalue Davis. Lakers traded a lot to get him and benefitted from a NBA championship as a result. Hes an elite two way basketball player. You don’t trade for guys like Anthony Davis and not give up value in return. I’m pretty sure Embiid if traded would fetch back more value than people here think. Yes their availability is of concern but when they are available? You’re looking at the best of the best.
Would I have made the trade? No. What I am saying is Davis is viewed and value differently amongst the NBA than here on ISH. Hes giving you 26ppg (top 10 in lg) 12rpg (6th in lg) 3 assists and adding 2 blocks a game (ranks 3rd). Let’s not act like Lakers gave up a tuna can and should’ve gave up even more. Luka is a great player. He is not Anthony Davis, player player first rd pick great.
AD was a 3 year window with his age, play style and health. This is preposterous.
Nico Harrison needs to be investigated.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14974283]The one thing glaring in this thread is people undervalue Davis. Lakers traded a lot to get him and benefitted from a NBA championship as a result. Hes an elite two way basketball player. You don’t trade for guys like Anthony Davis and not give up value in return. I’m pretty sure Embiid if traded would fetch back more value than people here think. Yes their availability is of concern but when they are available? You’re looking at the best of the best.
Would I have made the trade? No. What I am saying is Davis is viewed and value differently amongst the NBA than here on ISH. Hes giving you 26ppg (top 10 in lg) 12rpg (6th in lg) 3 assists and adding 2 blocks a game (ranks 3rd). Let’s not act like Lakers gave up a tuna can and should’ve gave up even more. Luka is a great player. He is not Anthony Davis, player player first rd pick great.[/QUOTE]
you're not wrong, dallas will be a completely different team with ad being their defensive anchor, but both him and kyrie are made out of glass.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14974287]you're not wrong, dallas will be a completely different team with ad being their defensive anchor, but both him and kyrie are made out of glass.[/QUOTE]
Yep that is the risk. Both are healthy at the same time when it counts. If they are? Sheesh. Dallas is banking in both being available during playoffs which Irving was all last postseason. If we asked ourselves what did Dallas need? It was an Anthony Davis caliber big. But there was no way for them to acquire such a talent. At least we thought. The window is short but when you’re in a win now mode? I get it. We shall see how it plays out.
Shocking trade nonetheless. Didn’t see either being moved nor heard any rumors on either being dealt.
Lmao, I come home to see this fvcking news :roll:
I can't even process this move, it's genuinely the most shocking trade I've ever seen.
I wouldn't even be surprised if LeBron gets moved as well.
I suspect? that LA gets worse short term. Maybe Dallas does too but they have more potential to get better short term depending on chemistry.
Lakers need to dump LeBron, if they can.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14974296]Lmao, I come home to see this fvcking news :roll:
I can't even process this move, it's genuinely the most shocking trade I've ever seen.
I wouldn't even be surprised if LeBron gets moved as well.[/QUOTE]
The more I think about it, I feel like this really clears a path for Lebron to GSW. As Nowoco( think that's the name) reminded me, he has a no trade clause. Getting Luka to build around is a great future move but doesn't move LA any closer to a chip this year with how much worse they are defensively now. The Warriors are pretty much stuck in neutral, and Lebron pairing with Steph for like a last hurrah and chance at a title is pretty compelling.
At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.
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At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.[/QUOTE]
As someone on ESPN mentioned, Adam Silver still has to approve this trade for it to happen. There is no reason why he wouldnt but he does have to do it.
For the reason you mentioned, he is loving this. Especially if LeBron moves to GSW. It makes three teams absolute box office, even in the RS. A week before the NFL season ends too. It's Christmas come late for Silver.
Jazz may have helped minnesota getva playoff spot with this trade and wont get a 2nd lottery pick
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14974299]As someone on ESPN mentioned, Adam Silver still has to approve this trade for it to happen. There is no reason why he wouldnt but he does have to do it.
For the reason you mentioned, he is loving this. Especially if LeBron moves to GSW. It makes three teams absolute box office, even in the RS. A week before the NFL season ends too. It's Christmas come late for Silver.[/QUOTE]
My youtube feed is flooded with this story from multiple channels so yeah, Xmas come late indeed and even better for him, it's a ratings booster without him scrambling his brain cells coming up with all these bat-shit crazy ideas( the new all-star format, 10 min quarters, etc etc).