[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14992635][video=youtube_share;5J3N60QXU6Q]https://youtu.be/5J3N60QXU6Q[/video]
We win again fam![/QUOTE]
What an unbiased and reliable source :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14992635][video=youtube_share;5J3N60QXU6Q]https://youtu.be/5J3N60QXU6Q[/video]
We win again fam![/QUOTE]
What an unbiased and reliable source :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992659]Is that why you went full retard, took the #1 Trump talking point of the last 10 years and laid it out as an "unpleasant truth for MAGAs"?
I'm sure if a life long politician was in charge, he or she would've worked with all those economists who are on TV these days to get those darn tariffs just right and brough the manufacturing jobs back :oldlol[/QUOTE]
The Man is a legit beaner who actively roots for USA to lose because of weird racial self loathing.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14992690]The Man is a legit beaner who actively roots for USA to lose because of weird racial self loathing.[/QUOTE]
You are weirdly obsessed with race, bro.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992573]
The fact that past politicians sold out America for the benefit of corporations and Trump pointing out this over and over and over again, is why he was elected President. And you come here presenting it as an "unpleasant truth about America that MAGA don't want to recognize" :oldlol:
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it's true that trump ran on a populist platform in 2016 but this was not included or at least not at all prioritized in the recent campaign cycle. if it was, it was only messaged in passing or in a vague manner and in no way conveyed the extreme, broad-based route that he's taken.
trump may also have a genuine belief in his vision for america-first in regard to trade but his implementation is sloppy - large scale blanket tariffs aren't going to be sustainable in the long term nor will it work in any significant way against an economic machine such as china. they'll turn elsewhere in the same way that Russia did when we sanctioned them to the bone. there's no way China will allow themselves to be embrassed again on the world stage after their hundred years if shame.
what you'd [B]like[/B] for these tariffs to be so far haven't demonstrated to be so. they've only been used as a leveraging or bullying tool against weaker, more fragile economies in an attempt to get some 'deals' or optic wins that are most likely in effect mediocre at best. targeted tariffs would make much more sense if trump wanted to implement them in a way that adheres to his long term vision but these as they're set up now sure ain't it.
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Do you understand that tariffs are a fee for companies to pay on the initial value of their imported product and not a fee for the Chinese govt?[/QUOTE]
they're also a massive [U]tax[/U] on americans. a [U]tax[/U] that Americans aren't eager to pay as we're recovering from the disaster of bidenomics.
[QUOTE]let's have a look at a recent press release from the Trump Whitehouse:[/QUOTE]
wat. im surprised someone like you is quick to cite something without question coming straight out of the white house. you don't look at all of this with any skepticism or doubt whatsoever? don't tell me you nod your head along with whatever that caroline leavitt spews from her podium, do you? come on man. snap out of it.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14992712]You are weirdly obsessed with race, bro.[/QUOTE]
So obsessed he has to have a racial gimmick account :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992659]Is that why you went full retard[/QUOTE]
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[video=youtube;LZeX5q5dwO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZeX5q5dwO0[/video]
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/chinese-state-media-tells-trump-to-stop-whining-as-trade-war-spirals[/url]
"The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train."
Why is this statement so accurate when describing the average American LOL.
[QUOTE=n00bie;14992944][url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/chinese-state-media-tells-trump-to-stop-whining-as-trade-war-spirals[/url]
"The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train."
Why is this statement so accurate when describing the average American LOL.[/QUOTE]
Because you are a petty ch1nk.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14992714]it's true that trump ran on a populist platform in 2016 but this was not included or at least not at all prioritized in the recent campaign cycle. if it was, it was only messaged in passing or in a vague manner and in no way conveyed the extreme, broad-based route that he's taken.
[/QUOTE]
Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.
[QUOTE]trump may also have a genuine belief in his vision for america-first in regard to trade but his implementation is sloppy - large scale blanket tariffs aren't going to be sustainable in the long term nor will it work in any significant way against an economic machine such as china. they'll turn elsewhere in the same way that Russia did when we sanctioned them to the bone. there's no way China will allow themselves to be embrassed again on the world stage after their hundred years if shame.
what you'd [B]like[/B] for these tariffs to be so far haven't demonstrated to be so. they've only been used as a leveraging or bullying tool against weaker, more fragile economies in an attempt to get some 'deals' or optic wins that are most likely in effect mediocre at best. targeted tariffs would make much more sense if trump wanted to implement them in a way that adheres to his long term vision but these as they're set up now sure ain't it.
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It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:
[QUOTE]Through the tariff, the Community applies the principle that domestic producers should be able to compete fairly and equally on the internal market with manufacturers exporting from other countries / territories.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]
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wat. im surprised someone like you is quick to cite something without question coming straight out of the white house. you don't look at all of this with any skepticism or doubt whatsoever? don't tell me you nod your head along with whatever that caroline leavitt spews from her podium, do you? come on man. snap out of it.[/QUOTE]
So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.
If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been. Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14993465]Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.
It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:
[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]
So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.
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If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been.[/B] Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and then you think your beloved Trump is any different, hence why people are laughing at you
[QUOTE=RRR3;14993502]Yeah and then you think your beloved Trump is any different, hence why people are laughing at you[/QUOTE]
Says the kid who thinks he's cool voting for a rapper for President. I can only imagine a girls reaction when try to wow them with your alleged love for anarchy too.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14993465]Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.
It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:
[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]
So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.
If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been. Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.[/QUOTE]
dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.
i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]
nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.
like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.
i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]
nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.
like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]
"Trump needs a well thought out plan..."
"There's too must instability, he's too unpredictable..."
When you sit down at the poker table, things don't always go according to strategy. It's not like he's teaching 1st grade math here, he's going toe to toe with world leaders and trying to bring them to heel. He's throwing punches and he's taking punches.
If he blows our entire chip stack and bankrupts the country, then fine you have my permission to point the finger. In reality though the poker game is still being played and we still have plenty of leverage. The stock market is not the be all and end all when it comes to the economy, and like always that too will come back.
The "strategy" is short term pain for long term gain. I don't expect everything to go 100% smoothly.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14993535]"Trump needs a well thought out plan..."
"There's too must instability, he's too unpredictable..."
When you sit down at the poker table, things don't always go according to strategy. It's not like he's teaching 1st grade math here, he's going toe to toe with world leaders and trying to bring them to heel. He's throwing punches and he's taking punches.
If he blows our entire chip stack and bankrupts the country, then fine you have my permission to point the finger. In reality though the poker game is still being played and we still have plenty of leverage. The stock market is not the be all and end all when it comes to the economy, and like always that too will come back.
The "strategy" is short term pain for long term gain. I don't expect everything to go 100% smoothly.[/QUOTE]
i'm not so easily convinced. i don't know who you are and i ain't preaching but don't be so quick to give a president the benefit of the doubt because it almost always ends in disappointment. i stay skeptical until i see results - not results pushed by the administration and it's cohorts in the media but results that i can see with my own two eyes. but we'll see though, and ill be glad to have that conversation in due time whichever way the pendulum ends up swinging.
i hope for the sake of folks that voted trump into office to get away from taxes and inflation and especially for small businesses that are gonna be feeling that short term pain you speak of that you're right. like i said, that pain will show in trump's poll numbers and you'd better believe he takes that shit as serious as a heart attack.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14993583]i'm not so easily convinced. i don't know who you are and i ain't preaching but don't be so quick to give a president the benefit of the doubt because it almost always ends in disappointment. i stay skeptical until i see results - not results pushed by the administration and it's cohorts in the media but results that i can see with my own two eyes. but we'll see though, and ill be glad to have that conversation in due time whichever way the pendulum ends up swinging.
i hope for the sake of folks that voted trump into office to get away from taxes and inflation and especially for small businesses that are gonna be feeling that short term pain you speak of that you're right. like i said, that pain will show in trump's poll numbers and you'd better believe he takes that shit as serious as a heart attack.[/QUOTE]
Why shouldn't his voters give him the benefit of the doubt? It's why they voted for him. They wanted him to be a tough negotiator.
I don't really think Trump has to worry about poll numbers. He's been defying the odds and proving polls wrong his entire career. He also knows the democrats are insanely weak right now too so he has way more room to move and fukk up.
In short, the sky would have to be falling in order for the people to abandon Trump. When the average person is really feeling it. The detractors smell blood so they are going to try and craft this narrative that the sky IS falling, but in reality we're in the same boat we've been in.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.
i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]
nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.
like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]
Trump is just a clueless ping-pong ball between his dumbass advisers.. "Art of the deal" :facepalm
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1k2k0vt/wsj_exclusive_trump_advisers_took_advantage_of/[/url]
Dementia Donny does what his handlers tell him. Is anyone tired of the :winning" so far? It just begun...
[QUOTE=Baller234;14993598]Why shouldn't his voters give him the benefit of the doubt? It's why they voted for him. They wanted him to be a tough negotiator.
I don't really think Trump has to worry about poll numbers. He's been defying the odds and proving polls wrong his entire career. He also knows the democrats are insanely weak right now too so he has way more room to move and fukk up.
In short, the sky would have to be falling in order for the people to abandon Trump. When the average person is really feeling it. The detractors smell blood so they are going to try and craft this narrative that the sky IS falling, but in reality we're in the same boat we've been in.[/QUOTE]
You should have never come back. :facepalm
[video=youtube_share;XJz1IJ-ONL0]https://youtu.be/XJz1IJ-ONL0?list=RDXJz1IJ-ONL0[/video]
[QUOTE=diamenz;14993528]dude you just seem to be very overly optimistic about all of this while the reality is this tariff implementation is sloppy, uncalculated and unpredictable. one minute they're on then they're off, they're at a set percentage and then they're not, no exemptions oh no but wait these exemptions. there's zero stability. trump's basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. what are we trying to accomplish here? if the trump administration would take a breath and put together a targeted and intelligent plan to bring back specific manufacturing industries then i'd be all for it because there's no doubt and I fully acknowledge that trade agreements, nafta in particular have been hurting us for a long time (still to this day) and that we have a broken trade system but like I said - this ain't it jack. i give trump credit for bringing this issue to the forefront but it ends there.
i guess we'll see though, won't we? maybe trump will change tariff policy bigly tomorrow or the next day only to switch it up again the following week. :rolleyes: no one here can plan around this chaos. [URL="https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-11-25/card/jd-com-pledges-27-billion-to-help-chinese-exporters-7mrc8ASFaJXeuk3PFn0O"]meanwhile china is making moves mobilizing their industry in full force in order to weather this storm.[/URL]
nonetheless, just wait until the price increases hit and trump's poll numbers plummet. it'll be interesting to see what route gets taken then.
like i said - this so called policy isn't what you're wishing it were. either that or you're confused or in denial about it. frankly it sounds to me like you're suffering from a mild case of trump enslavement syndrome here, with all due respect brother.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.
It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.
For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.
I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.
It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.
For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.
I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]
Trump and his goofy economic policy team are the reason. EU imposes its own tariffs and has its own trade agreements like most nations have, including the US. What the EU doesn't have is an idiot who rips up agreements overnight and does whatever he feels like. He doesn't even understand how tariffs and the economy work in general, and there is no greater example than him attacking Powell for refusing to cut interest rates. A move that would bring about the exact opposite effect of what you want and increase inflation.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.
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two weeks into a twenty year project... we'll sure see about that. in addition to the question of it's longevity, we'll see if trump and his advisors can adapt and react the way baller321 claims they can. the way the tariffs are layed out now isn't sustainable in the long run and any "short term" pain is going to be a hell of an understatement for those barely making ends in both their personal and small businesses. prices are going to *ucking skyrocket, particularly out of china. gonna be very interesting to see where all of this goes (no sarcasm).
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives. [/QUOTE]
there's too many variables at play here to make such a generalized statement. one major turn of events would be trump taking us to war with iran. then those gas prices you speak of will be no *ucking joke. you're gonna see more bikes than cars out there on the streets if that's ends up being the case.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]
i can't tell you why. you tell me bro (again, no sarcasm or passive aggressiveness here). but it's not only just 'i don't trust trump' - it's that i don't trust [I]any [/I]moth3r****er - especially the mf'ers in washington whomever they may be. everybody's either influenced by ideologies and ego or bought off by somebody or something but i hope for everybody's sake you and anyone else putting stock into this endeavor ends up being right.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14994879]I don't think I've been super positive about anything, my angle into this thread was simply to call out people for doomerism 2 weeks into like a 20 year project. I do see it as a positive that they lowered tariffs to 10% for countries willing to negotiate a new trade deal and if it was reported in the media as a positive gesture instead of them being unpredictable and cHaOs, most people would see it that way too.
It's easy to only focus on the short term negatives as they're mentioned over and over in the media and always short sighted. Getting general inflation down will help make up for any potential price hike caused by tariffs. E.g "oh car prices are about to jump", but if gas prices are 20% lower for the duration you have the car than they otherwise would've been, how much more expensive will your car really be? There's absolutely no mentioned or talk about these kind of positives, only the negatives.
For the rest, I don't think I have much more to say than what Baller already said.
I'll ask again though, what's the reason blanket [I]and[/I] specialized tariffs work for a union like the EU, but will cause an economic destruction of the US? Is there any other reason than "I don't trust Trump" to be the one to do it"?[/QUOTE]
you're so fvcking stupid lmao.
Anyone with half a brain can see that tariffs alone won't bring back manufacturers, that's a half assed solution. On top of that, we have full blown austerity by the federal government when you have to heavily invest in a reindustrialization program to bring back jobs...instead jobs and programs are being slashed so that Trump and his oligarch robber barons can justify yet another tax cut for themselves.
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We win again fam
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We win again fam
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[QUOTE=TheMan;14994905][B]Anyone with half a brain can see that tariffs alone won't bring back manufacturers, that's a half assed solution.[/B] On top of that, we have full blown austerity by the federal government when you have to heavily invest in a reindustrialization program to bring back jobs...instead jobs and programs are being slashed so that Trump and his oligarch robber barons can justify yet another tax cut for themselves.[/QUOTE]
Okay so enlighten us then since you're the expert. How does America bring back manufacturing?
In your own words.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14995001]Okay so enlighten us then since you're the expert. How does America bring back manufacturing?
In your own words.[/QUOTE]
That's the problem, bro. There are experts in these fields, I'm not gonna go against what the best economic/financial gurus best advice based on gut instinct, like the Idiot In Chief routinely does...
Anyways back to reality...
[video=youtube_share;-6NtyK-MgRY]https://youtu.be/-6NtyK-MgRY?si=3Gt1vKh7JdrdFg-c[/video]
I saw a great video a while back by a top economist, can't recall his name but in a gist, tariffs won't do shit bringing back jobs, the government needs to create programs that target what industries they want back, and this will take time, it's not a matter of weeks or months or even a couple years, this should be seen as generational program...but I digress, nobody in America wants to do textile work, those aren't really worth bringing back but high tech industries, for the security of the US should be in America, plus they would be high paying jobs. Quick rundown and I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, you need to heavily invest in research and development, subsidize industries, offer tax incentives, loan guarantees, educate workers for these high skill positions etc., Trump is offering absolutely none of that, bullying other countries and trying to force US companies back won't be done by only tariffs, that's actually punishing our own population, bro. The fed needs to spend a lot for this to happen but it's worth it, also we're far behind in infrastructure, that needs to change. Tax cuts for the rich is insane and it's doing the complete opposite.
I'll try to find the video, it's long but it's really thorough, using historical and recent examples of countries doing just that. We need to move away from being a consumer based economy, we spend more than what we produce, and it's not even close. That's what frustrating, I don't want us to lose this trade war but we do not hold the stronger cards in this and we're doing jack shit in strategies that actually have been proven to work...what Trump is doing raises the risk of a depression so bad it'll be back to 1930s America all over again...but then again, this is what late stage capitalism looks like.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14995008]That's the problem, bro. There are experts in these fields, I'm not gonna go against what the best economic/financial gurus best advice based on gut instinct, like the Idiot In Chief.
Anyways back to reality...[/QUOTE]
I specifically asked you to respond [B]in your own words[/B] because I didn't want you to just seek some random blog or YT video out of desperation in order to make your point for you. And yet even when tasked with this simple request, you couldn't resist.
So in other words, as expected, your entire argument isn't even your own. You couldn't even parse out the information and explain it in layman terms. It's just someone else telling you what to think.
I see you edited your post.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14995008]I saw a great video a while back by a top economist, can't recall his name but in a gist, tariffs won't do shit bringing back jobs, the government needs to target what industries they want back, nobody in America wants to do textile work, those aren't really worth bring back but high tech industries for the security of the US should be in America, plus they would be high paying jobs. Quick rundown and I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, you need to heavily invest, subsidize, offer tax incentives, loan guarantees, educate workers for these high skill positions etc., Trump is offering absolutely none of that, bullying other countries and trying to force US companies back won't be done by only tariffs, that's actually punishing our own population, bro.
I'll try to find the video, it's long but it's really thorough, using historical and recent examples of countries doing just that. We need to move away from being a consumer based economy, we spend more than what we produce, and it's not even close. That's what frustrating, I don't want us to lose this trade war but we do not hold the stronger cards in this.[/QUOTE]
Lmao.
First you insist that Trump just wants to cut taxes for his billionaire buddies and it's so terrible, but in the next breath you insist we should give those same billionaires tax incentives and loan guarantees so they keep their production in house. Which is it?
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Newsflash genius, so long as it's cheaper to produce goods out of the country, people are going to take advantage of that. And if you would rather America invest in it's own infrastructure, why wouldn't you want us to use outside money? You're complaining about spending cuts but again in the next breath you want us to just invest all this money. Where is it coming from?
Please,[B] in your own words.[/B]
Dude, the tax incentives I'm talking about aren't tax cuts to the rich like Trump and the GOP want. The tax incentives I'm talking about have a purpose, bringing back jobs and requires employers paying US workers good wages. Tax cuts today don't require any of that, it's supposed to encourage trickle down economics but that neoliberal economic plan has been a complete and utter failure.
And if I'm parroting others words, I'm using reliable sources from economists that have studied countries that effectively grew industries in their countries. Your parroting a doofus who bankrupted casinos :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;14995009]I specifically asked you to respond [B]in your own words[/B] because I didn't want you to just seek some random blog or YT video out of desperation in order to make your point for you. And yet even when tasked with this simple request, you couldn't resist.
So in other words, as expected, your entire argument isn't even your own. You couldn't even parse out the information and explain it in layman terms. It's just someone else telling you what to think.[/QUOTE]
sounds like lakers_1987 tbh.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14995014]Dude, the tax incentives I'm talking about aren't tax cuts to the rich like Trump and the GOP want. The tax incentives I'm talking about have a purpose, bringing back jobs and requires employers paying US workers good wages. Tax cuts today don't require any of that, it's supposed to encourage trickle down economics but that neoliberal economic plan has been a complete and utter failure.
And if I'm parroting others words, I'm using reliable sources from economists that have studied countries that effectively grew industries in their countries. Your parroting a doofus who bankrupted casinos :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Yea sorry, you're not making any sense whatsoever. You can talk in circles all you want, it's not gonna work.
Large corporations already receive significant tax incentives from federal, state and local governments. Just look at Amazon. They get all sorts of tax incentives and tax abatements because they create so many jobs and provide such a boost to the local economy. How is that any different from what you're proposing? You're saying the solution is give these corporations MORE incentives? That's gonna solve everything?
:oldlol:
Also, while we're at it, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by trying to paint Trump as some sort of failed businessman. That would be like trying to paint Michael Jordan as a failed basketball player. He's one of the most successful businessmen of our time. I know you have an irrational hate boner for Orange Face but you really strip yourself of all credibility when you say stupid things like that.
Trump is behind countless business ventures. He has his hand in real estate all across the globe, golf courses, resorts, entertainment and media, branding and licensing, etc. I'd say he's done pretty well for himself but you would rather hyperfocus on his failures. Again that would be like criticizing Michael Jordan in a game because he didn't make every shot and only went 14/20.
It reveals that more than anything, your opinion and your worldview isn't really informed by facts or logic, but rather your seething hatred of Orange Face because you think he's the antichrist.
In a proper capitalist society, textile work would pay well. It would involve high tech equipment, but since it is necessary, people would get paid from it. Just like welders and plumbers make decent money now if they do it well. You have to get rid of the export it to slave labor option. Just like you gotta get rid of the exploit migrants option. Things need to be re-valued, and the good part about a tariff (alho I’d prefer it be toward the company selling not buying) is that it decreases the profit by doing such. There should be humanitarian tariffs at least.
Dunno how this whole trade war is gonna work out, but we do need to make our own stuff. Keeping people who live in tiny apartments and paying them dog shit here seems more responsible than them getting slaved overseas, but the cost to even be alive is more here. Why? Our economy is more balanced, simply. The value of work should be roughly equal in the ideal. The difference would be resources and technology.
-Smak
[QUOTE=Baller234;14995009]I specifically asked you to respond [B]in your own words[/B] because I didn't want you to just seek some random blog or YT video out of desperation in order to make your point for you. And yet even when tasked with this simple request, you couldn't resist.
So in other words, as expected, your entire argument isn't even your own. You couldn't even parse out the information and explain it in layman terms. It's just someone else telling you what to think.[/QUOTE]
Hes messycan. They never do their own homework
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We win again fam :lol
[QUOTE=Baller234;14995001]Okay so enlighten us then since you're the expert. How does America bring back manufacturing?
In your own words.[/QUOTE]
You don’t. You delegate manufacturing to Bangladesh and Vietnam and focus on value added industries like ai, chips, energy, finance etc. Why do you think Nike wants to open sweatshops in these countries but keep their base of operations in a much more expensive country like the US? Because stability is worth the extra cost. If we keep playing grab-ass with tariffs it will hurt our credibility and stability and dissuade domestic investment in the long run.
I can't even imagine how embarrassed warriorfan is right now, being a devout Trumptard and all.
So much winning. India & Vietnam coming to us is huge.
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We win again fam :lol[/QUOTE]
You will always be a dirty beaner.