Here's the thing though. Trump is legit on the E list. He had sex with a minor.
I think many are overlooking the severity of that, or are like warriorfan and trying to convince themselves it isn't real.
It's real. And Elon knew.
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Here's the thing though. Trump is legit on the E list. He had sex with a minor.
I think many are overlooking the severity of that, or are like warriorfan and trying to convince themselves it isn't real.
It's real. And Elon knew.
What the MAGAS think Trump has too much integrity or decency to have sex with a minor?
I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.
Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15012273]I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.
Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.[/QUOTE]
thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012274]thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like this guy is speaking from experience :lol
"The girls sure are fighting aren't they?"--AOC
[QUOTE=TheMan;15012179]Except I don't write speeches for AOC nor Bernie...
You've been one of Musk most ardent supporters... what's your honest take when Elon says Trump is def in the Epstein files and that's the reason they won't release them? No qualms at all that Orange Man Bad just might be a pedo? Also, how do you sleep at night? You're ok repping a child molester so long as you "owned duh libs"...? Asking for a friend...[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you guys keep harping on this ridiculous point. If if it were ever found out that Trump did something sexual with a small child, I would never ever defend it and I would wholly condemn him.
In another thread you equated Donald Trump with Dick Cheney because he *might* one day start a war over a total lie even though he hasn't yet. Now you're jumping to conclusions about me because you think I *might* defend Donald Trump being a child molester. All of your arguments are based on feelings and preconceived notions. Newsflash he hasn't been outed as anything yet.
See the problem is that you guys worship politicians and you think your leaders are infallible so you project that feeling onto others. You think that because we support Trump, we must view him as a god. As if we voted for the guy totally ignorant to the fact that he's a world class bullshitter. Newsflash, we know.
I do support Musk. His contribution to the movement can't be ignored. That doesn't mean he is a god to me. That doesn't mean he can't be a bad faith actor when it suits him. If Elon's intentions were pure he could have revealed whatever Epstein information he had a long time ago. Instead he waits for this precise moment and only implicates Trump and one else.
Also he doesn't explain Trump's involvement to any capacity. He just says "he's in the files". Okay we knew that already. Do you know anything else or are you just stirring shit? This isn't really fitting behavior for a guy who says he only wants what's best for the country.
There's also another option of course, which is that this is all one big show like WWE meant to distract us from god knows what and they've had this play ready to go from the beginning. Let's be honest, would anyone be surprised if they kissed and made up? I wouldn't.
All in all definitely a crazy timeline.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15012180]And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?
[B][SIZE=5]When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...[/SIZE][/B]until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol[/QUOTE]
As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:
You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:
And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to [B]re-education camps [/B]because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?
Very good to know.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012285]As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:
You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:
And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to [B]re-education camps [/B]because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?
Very good to know.[/QUOTE]
I was using hyperbole, no I don't believe we should imprison all capitalists, I'm in fact one and I do believe in capitalism, but not the runaway devour everyone run by the elites today. There shouldn't be billionaires, rich people yes, but these insanely wealthy oligarch robber barons are a cancer on a healthy society because they will always try to own the government because they have the means to, they corrupt government officials and politicians and have them doing their bidding instead of what is good for society at large.
We are middle class stiffs, we aren't in the club, we never were. Our enemy isn't the poor foreigners trying to better their lives, it's the one percenters robbing us blind. Trump ran on fighting for us but every action he has taken only support the rich like him.
Hopefully one day you realize that...
And to address the other post, no I don't think Trump banged a literally child, meaning a 10 year old but he definitely has hit underage teen girls...there are a lot of weird pedo shit that girls who participated in Ms Teen USA have come out publicly about Trump when he owned Ms Teen USA.
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This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.
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:roll:
[QUOTE=TheMan;15012300]There shouldn't be billionaires, rich people yes, but these insanely wealthy oligarch robber barons are a cancer on a healthy society because they will always try to own the government because they have the means to, they corrupt government officials and politicians and have them doing their bidding instead of what is good for society at large. [/quote]
I'm sorry but this is extremely faulty logic to me. So you're okay with rich people, just not billionaires? It's okay to get rich just not too rich?
So what does "too rich" mean? At what point does your net worth become "too rich"?
Give me a hard number or at least a definable range.
political theater aside (all seven pages of it), believe it or not elon is the right's blessing in disguise in regard to exposing how shitty this bill is. he could end up saving trump a lot of political grief if it were to pass as-is. otherwise a lot of maga npc's would have never known. granted a lot of them [I]still [/I]won't know when this all over with and could probably care less because they're only in it for the left vs. right bullshit but at least maybe some of them will. then of course you have the segment of maga that [B]does [/B]know better but is too pu$$y to call it out but, yeah... people gonna people.
This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15012320]This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.[/QUOTE]
interesting theory. what does it have to do with you weighing [B][SIZE=7]400 POUNDS[/SIZE][/B]?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15012319]political theater aside (all seven pages of it), believe it or not elon is the right's blessing in disguise in regard to exposing how shitty this bill is. he could end up saving trump a lot of political grief if it were to pass as-is. otherwise a lot of maga npc's would have never known. granted a lot of them [I]still [/I]won't know when this all over with and could probably care less because they're only in it for the left vs. right bullshit but at least maybe some of them will. then of course you have the segment of maga that [B]does [/B]know better but is too pu$$y to call it out but, yeah... people gonna people.[/QUOTE]
Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump, but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it? To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible.
Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.
Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012331]Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump,[B] but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it? To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible. [/B]
Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.
Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.[/QUOTE]
straight out of a page from trump's art of the deal. he is behaving just as unhinged as trump has behaved against liberal opposition.
how quickly (and conveniently) you forget trump's lack of diplomacy and sanity :oldlol:
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012333]straight out of a page from trump's art of the deal. he is behaving just as unhinged as trump has behaved against liberal opposition.
how quickly (and conveniently) you forget trump's lack of diplomacy and sanity :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with punching back when you're being attacked.
There's also nothing wrong with putting a deranged liberal in their place so we can point and laugh.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15012313]This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt it's a charade... but not for the reasons you suggested.
It would be for much more complex reasons than that.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012274]thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.[/QUOTE]
Oh I wouldn't doubt that at all and pretty much agree with you.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15012276]Sounds like this guy is speaking from experience :lol[/QUOTE]
Hell I've done it before. Don't know about my leaders or supervisors I had in my life that were completely assholes and unfair, but I smiled pretty for them to stay in their good graces.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012274]thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.[/QUOTE]
Is this mf'er serious? :oldlol:
Politicians acting purely out of self interest? Politicians claiming to be friends one moment and enemies the next?
And you believe you're the smartest person in the room because you arrived at this conclusion in [B]2025[/B]?
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[QUOTE=Meticode;15012338]Hell I've done it before. Don't know about my leaders or supervisors I had in my life that were completely assholes and unfair, but I smiled pretty for them to stay in their good graces.[/QUOTE]
i cannot do that. it's actually a defect of mines, i am unable to kiss ass/fake liking scumbags. it's began affecting some of my professional relationships, but i cannot fake liking someone lol. some of the most succesful people in my line of work are very good at it though, they will stand there smiling, fake laughing at non-funny jokes, smooch, etc and they will get awarded big contracts for making that asshole feel like he's funny and charming. me on the other hand, i couldn't give a rats ass LOL, you have a problem? i have a solution. i kind of wish i was good at faking that sheet though, not going to lie.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012339]Is this mf'er serious? :oldlol:
Politicians acting purely out of self interest? Politicians claiming to be friends one moment and enemies the next?
And you believe you're the smartest person in the room because you arrived at this conclusion in [B]2025[/B]?
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classic long duck dong logic..."let me oversimplify something someone else said to prove them wrong". false equivalancy.
the difference between this admin and most traditional administrations are the people crossing party lines/divisions to join him. in other words, they are people unqualified, isolated, pulled from the basement, have zero in common with trump all because the traditional republicans aren't going to be 'yes men' to the same degree as a jd vance, gabbard, rfk will. there's a reason these people are pulled from the fringes of the political space.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012341]classic long duck dong logic..."let me oversimplify something someone else said to prove them wrong". false equivalancy.
the difference between this admin and most traditional administrations are the people crossing party lines/divisions to join him. in other words, they are people unqualified, isolated, pulled from the basement, have zero in common with trump all because the traditional republicans aren't going to be 'yes men' to the same degree as a jd vance, gabbard, rfk will. there's a reason these people are pulled from the fringes of the political space.[/QUOTE]
Wtf do you mean traditional republicans? Do you live under a rock? Do you live in a shack with no windows and no wifi? Trump has defined the party for close to a decade now. The "traditional republicans" were booted a long time ago.
So Brandon's picks were qualified? The Cackler was qualified? Bootygig was qualified? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012343]Wtf do you mean traditional republicans? Do you live under a rock? Do you live in a shack with no windows and no wifi? Trump has defined the party for close to a decade now. The "traditional republicans" were booted a long time ago.
So Brandon's picks were qualified? The Cackler was qualified? Bootygig was qualified? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
this headline encompasses most of trump's appointees in a nutshell:
[QUOTE]“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention
One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.
by Hannah Allam[/QUOTE]
nothing you say will change those fax. crawl back into your sniper's nest.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15012345]this headline encompasses most of trump's appointees in a nutshell:
nothing you say will change those fax. crawl back into your sniper's nest.[/QUOTE]
So you think Brandon's administration featured only the best and brightest and not just those who were entangled politically?
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012346]So you think Brandon's administration featured only the best and brightest and not just those who were entangled politically?
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
The Biden administration was low IQ as highweight is.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012331]Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump,[B] but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it?[/B] To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible.
Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.
Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.[/QUOTE]
Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, just getting my way through the recent pages but...this is fvcking rich coming from a Trump guy, I have to say.
Are you really saying criticize a dude spewing mean words and accusations? Really??
I'm not chewing on this like some would (aside from the hilarity of course). But come on now...
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15012351]Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, just getting my way through the recent pages but...this is fvcking rich coming from a Trump guy, I have to say.
Are you really saying criticize a dude spewing mean words and accusations? Really??
I'm not chewing on this like some would (aside from the hilarity of course). But come on now...[/QUOTE]
low self awareness is a common trait among MAGA fakkits...as i said, elon is doing the exact same thing trump has been doing for years and yet his supporters are butthurt about it :oldlol:
When a figure involved in politics suddenly appears with a black eye, followed by a complete change in something, then you have to be very suspicious.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15012350]The Biden administration was low IQ as highweight is.[/QUOTE]
Quit pretending that intelligence is a trait admired by MAGA.
doomsy how did you not see this all coming bro?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15012399]doomsy how did you not see this all coming bro?[/QUOTE]
I saw this a mile away....
It's the Antichrist and False Prophet bro.... anything is possible with those two.
I'll admit... for a second DOGE threw me off...
I thought maybe Trump really was trying to balance shit out with the budget...
but Conservatives are never Conservative when it comes to spending... we've known this for awhile now.
"Trump says mean words all the time..."
Yea, at his [B]enemies[/B]. When he's being attacked or forced to go on the offensive. Musk and Trump are supposed to be friends.
If it's really just a bill you're worried about and you wanted to have a rational discussion in the hopes of reaching an arrangement, and you just want what's best for the country... you don't go about it like this. That's not how you settle a disagreement with your friends. You're the one who backed his campaign and propped this guy up as a savior in the first place.
In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.
The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.
[QUOTE=jstern;15012358]When a figure involved in politics suddenly appears with a black eye, followed by a complete change in something, then you have to be very suspicious.[/QUOTE]
Can you elaborate? Are you inferring he might have been physically threatened or that he joined the cult.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012407]
In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.
The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.[/QUOTE]
It makes Elon look worse... but now that he's brought up Epstein... I want to know more about that.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15012410]It makes Elon look worse... but now that he's brought up Epstein... I want to know more about that.[/QUOTE]
Well since he seems to know so much, why doesn't Elon himself come out and tell us?