Taking high quality immigrants just damages other countries. America is like the Lakers and all the other countries are the small market teams who get screwed when their best leaves for LA.
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Taking high quality immigrants just damages other countries. America is like the Lakers and all the other countries are the small market teams who get screwed when their best leaves for LA.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013048]Because it's clearly anti-black/brown and pro-white. What part of scrapping the entire refugee program [I]except[/I] for whites is unclear? Furthermore, that's the first set of Afrikaaners. There will be more. And again, I'm all for bringing them (despite not knowing the full scope of the situation), but I'm all for bringing South Sudanese too.[/QUOTE]
So it's based on color and not race or country of origin? Are we doing pigment analysis with each applicant or what? Do the Guidos from mexico get denied refugee status?
There is a huge statistical difference between many and majority. 'Many' is up for interpretation. Does this mean five of your friends? Whereas the majority of conservatives has statistical relevance.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15012967]The right wing social media influencers you are referring to aren't shitting on Mexico because they're racist. They're doing so because the "peaceful protestors" are waving the flag of Mexico while setting the U.S. flag on fire. These people are asking for a fight. If you can criticize our country and our culture then we can criticize yours.[/QUOTE]
Cool story. Showing a few cases of flag burning isn't hatred of America, it's anger and hostility towards government and its policies. Why do you think it happened rampantly during the 1960s? There was this war called the Vietnam war that Americans didn't agree with.
Then the government tried to ban flag burning during the 80s. Flag burnings increased. Why? Because it was protected free speech and guess what happened, the SCOTUS ruled that it is in fact protected free speech.
Am I in favor of that? No. But you citing one or a few cases of this during a protest is meaningless when Mexicans are Americans and many of them are indigenous to the US long before the US even became the US. Not to mention, there's 38 million of them for crying out loud.
[QUOTE]And I'm sorry but it's not racist to criticize multiculturalism either. There are legitimate arguments against it that have nothing to do with prejudice or race. I'm not saying immigrants have to leave their identities behind when they come here but I also think they have an obligation to assimilate.[/QUOTE]
Case in point. This is why people are angry. Name an immigrant group that doesn't assimilate within 2-3 generations. I'll wait.
It's just unbelievable how you think these racist talking points are in fact ok. Multiculturalism has been the backbone of our country since its inception.
We've been a diverse nation for hundreds of years, and every time new populations arrive, bigots sell the idea to voters like yourself that "they're not assimilating" or that "they're a threat!" It happened with the Chinese, the Japanese, the Irish, the Italians, and now with Mexicans, South and Central Americans, Arabs, Indians, etc.
[QUOTE]Trump suspended the refugee program because too many people were gaming the system pretending to be facing persecution when in reality they're here for the economic benfits. I understand he made an exception for the whites coming from South Africa but those people ARE actually being persecuted. These are well off people financially. They're not looking to come here for any other reason. Plus the Trump administration said they're admitting about 1,000 people, not [B]hundreds[/B] of thousands.[/QUOTE]
Yea, and people in South Sudan ARE being persecuted. People in Burma ARE being persecuted. People in a lot of other places ARE being persecuted.
Interesting how you find moral justifications for whites but everyone else can take a hike.
[QUOTE]I mean do you honestly think that Trump is looking to beef up the white population by letting in [B]1,000 [/B] white people from South Africa? That's gonna make a dent and restore white dominance?[/QUOTE]
Trump is just a figurehead. I'm more concerned with the voting block. The sentiment is there. Ignoring it is crazy.
[QUOTE=rawimpact;15013054]So it's based on color and not race or country of origin? Are we doing pigment analysis with each applicant or what? Do the Guidos from mexico get denied refugee status?
There is a huge statistical difference between many and majority. 'Many' is up for interpretation. Does this mean five of your friends? Whereas the majority of conservatives has statistical relevance.[/QUOTE]
Bro, if you want a deep dive into my word choice then go ahead. I've made my point. Take an issue with the talking heads and the statistics, as well as the voter block, not me.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15013051]Taking high quality immigrants just damages other countries. America is like the Lakers and all the other countries are the small market teams who get screwed when their best leaves for LA.[/QUOTE]
That is the way it should be. Sure we can take on refugees as well, but if we have the opportunity to take in talented and bright individuals -- they need to be prioritized.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013056]Bro, if you want a deep dive into my word choice then go ahead. I've made my point. Take an issue with the talking heads and the statistics, as well as the voter block, not me.[/QUOTE]
Because your word choice has significance which is why i asked for a poll citation. How do you not see a difference between the word many vs majority? You can call it what you want... but until you provide a reference proving majority of conservatives are against immigration... it's completely false. You are trying to paint conservatives a certain way by making fallacious presumptions. Just because one wants better control does not mean they want to abolish.
[QUOTE=rawimpact;15013057]That is the way it should be. Sure we can take on refugees as well, but if we have the opportunity to take in talented and bright individuals -- they need to be prioritized.[/QUOTE]
You can't have your cake and eat it too. High functioning, wealthy, and otherwise intellectual individuals likely won't leave their homeland (unless there's like civil war or something). They have good standing in society and have the means for a good life.
The US is a capitalist system. We need a lot of low skilled labor to keep the engine running. Immigrants will often fill those jobs simply because Americans won't.
I'm sure you're an educated and probably doing well enough for yourself. Are you going to drive a taxi, change the bedsheets at the Hampton Inn, pick fruit, or clean a train stop?
It's immigrants who do the majority of these jobs as well as produce jobs because some of them sell land and property in their home countries to open up gas stations, restaurants, delis, local restaurants in their ethnic enclaves, etc.
This has been the rubric forever and it's not going to change because some Americans like you and tpols think a bunch of upper-middle class scientists will mass migrate and fill those jobs.
[QUOTE=rawimpact;15013058]Because your word choice has significance which is why i asked for a poll citation. How do you not see a difference between the word many vs majority? You can call it what you want... but until you provide a reference proving majority of conservatives are against immigration... it's completely false. You are trying to paint conservatives a certain way by making fallacious presumptions. Just because one wants better control does not mean they want to abolish.[/QUOTE]
I showed statistics that showed the majority of Republicans believe immigration and refugees to be a threat. What part of anti-DACA, close the refugee program but allow whites, 8/10 Republicans saying immigrants and refugees are a threat, or 73% of Republicans wanting decreased immigration does not drive home the point?
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013049]Who said it is a right? What people are saying is, fix the system. 88% of legal immigrants are non-Europeans, a significant shift to once upon a time when it was mostly Europeans. It took 2 months then, it takes 10 years now. See the difference?[/QUOTE]
USA wasn't running like a 40 trillion dollar government deficit back then bro. And there were way less people back then so a population increase wasn't a big deal. Now it is. I don't think you realize how broken the house of cards is that the USA government is currently operating as.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15013046]Stop acting like you've never heard of Stephen Miller.[/QUOTE]
Show me where Stephen Miller has said he's against legal immigration. Remember, I'm the Conservative here. I know my side.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013050]Don't you regularly talk smack about Latinos, Muslims, and blacks? Coulda sworn I've seen you take aim at POC on this forum, so you saying all of this now is pretty meaningless. If it wasn't you, then I apologize.
According to the Gallup poll, 73% of Republicans want immigration decreased. Want more data, here's an article on views on immigrants and refugees...
[URL="https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/republican-concerns-over-immigration-hit-all-time-high"]https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/republican-concerns-over-immigration-hit-all-time-high[/URL]
It's actually worse than I thought, lol.[/QUOTE]
I despise Islam. And mass immigration clearly doesn't work whether it be legal or not. Just look at Europe. You're trying to paint people who oppose illegal immigration as bigots, and it will not stick my friend. I support legal immigration. And if the country is becoming too populated and we don't have the resources to keep up with legal migration to this country, then we have the right to halt the process or slow the numbers down. Migrating to this country isn't a right.
Stop trying to paint someone who doesn't want this country to be overrun as some sort of bigot. It's stupid.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013047]Not really. I clearly said "many if not most". You're getting hung up on the wording, but the premise still remains. Who is more likely to speak against immigration, who ended the refugee program (except for whites), who wanted to scrap DACA (inhumane), etc? As for decreased immigration, it's all anti-immigrant. Here's a Gallup article:
You can call this whatever you like. It's all anti-immigrant. And a significant number of conservatives simply don't like black and brown people.[/QUOTE]
That Gallup article....was it written before or after Biden let 20mil+ illegals into the United States?
Just curious
nvm.... I saw it was written in August of last year which explains why Republicans felt the way they did at the time.
[QUOTE=tpols;15013066]USA wasn't running like a 40 trillion dollar government deficit back then bro. And there were way less people back then so a population increase wasn't a big deal. Now it is. I don't think you realize how broken the house of cards is that the USA government is currently operating as.[/QUOTE]
The USCIS is a $6 billion dollar department, pennies in the grand scheme of things, especially when legal immigrants are paying their way. Sponsors are financially responsible for who they bring and reliance on government aid affects your citizenship application.
I'm not saying that the process' time should be the same as it was in 1940. I'm saying it shouldn't be anywhere near as long as it is now. That would incentivize legal immigration.
Once again, I'm not for illegal immigration, and I do generally agree with most of the deportations. But there's nuance to this discussion that you and other Conservatives aren't admitting to.
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013071]I despise Islam. And mass immigration clearly doesn't work whether it be legal or not. Just look at Europe. You're trying to paint people who oppose illegal immigration as bigots, and it will not stick my friend. I support legal immigration. And if the country is becoming too populated and we don't have the resources to keep up with legal migration to this country, then we have the right to halt the process or slow the numbers down. Migrating to this country isn't a right.
Stop trying to paint someone who doesn't want this country to be overrun as some sort of bigot. It's stupid.[/QUOTE]
Then you despise nearly 26% of the world's population. Good luck with that homie. And thanks for telling us you basically hate immigrants. Idk what this "mass immigration" problem it is that you speak of, but using Europe as an example is dumb because those are Democratic-Socialist nations. No one is saying we need to take on millions of refugees simultaneously with all of our other legal pathways.
And this is how I know you're falling for the rhetoric. The most amount of refugees we've ever taken in in a single year was 207,000 back in 1980. So where is this "mass immigration" coming from? Oh, that is unless you mean regular LEGAL immigration. Apparently it was good for your ancestors but not for anyone else.
You support legal immigration when it's your kind. That's the crux of the matter. And claiming overpopulation is nonsensical. The US is not overpopulated. Most of the country is made up of farms and rural areas, mountains, and underdeveloped terrain that have people who think like you living there.
And no one is saying we should use tax dollars to fund legal immigrants anyway. That's not how the green card process even works.
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[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15013090]That Gallup article....was it written before or after Biden let 20mil+ illegals into the United States?
Just curious
nvm.... I saw it was written in August of last year which explains why Republicans felt the way they did at the time.[/QUOTE]
You're not following my argument. The statistic was about LEGAL immigration. And I posted another research study after that. Conservatives want to have their cake and eat it too...decry immigrants, fight DACA and deport people who came as children and lived their entire lives here, free of crime, to cartel and drug infested areas of their home countries, ban refugees (except for whites), say that immigrants are a threat, complain about immigrants all the time and demand legal immigration be curbed....
....then [I]after[/I] all of that, take to public spaces like ISH and claim how you're not against legal immigration. This has been the literal rubric of America for most of its history. Lookup the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, look up quotas in order to prevent Eastern European Jews and Italians from coming to the country in the 1920s, lookup the refusal to enter 36,000 Holocaust refugees during WW2, Japanese being barred from land ownership or citizenship in 1913, policies during the 1930s against Mexicans, etc.
Fast forward to today, and it's just more of the same. Good luck because 50 years from now, we'll be looking back at this and wondering again, "why were people so horrid?"
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013094]Then you despise nearly 26% of the world's population. Good luck with that homie. And thanks for telling us you basically hate immigrants. Idk what this "mass immigration" problem it is that you speak of, but using Europe as an example is dumb because those are Democratic-Socialist nations. No one is saying we need to take on millions of refugees simultaneously with all of our other legal pathways.
And this is how I know you're falling for the rhetoric. The most amount of refugees we've ever taken in in a single year was 207,000 back in 1980. So where is this "mass immigration" coming from? Oh, that is unless you mean regular LEGAL immigration. Apparently it was good for your ancestors but not for anyone else.
You support legal immigration when it's your kind. That's the crux of the matter. And claiming overpopulation is nonsensical. The US is not overpopulated. Most of the country is made up of farms and rural areas, mountains, and underdeveloped terrain that have people who think like you living there.
And no one is saying we should use tax dollars to fund legal immigrants anyway. That's not how the green card process even works.[/QUOTE]
it's funny that their rethetoric is verbatim all across the board. a lot of people on the left, or just a lot of americans in general do not support illegal immigrants. but people like patrick and the other bozo keep using the same tired argument "they are a burden on our social welfare system, crime, they hate america, etc".
the real issue in LA right now is how the feds are handling deportations and treating people in general. the fast tracked deportation system violating any due process is inhumane, again, i am not advocating they get to stay here, but when feds pick them up and they're in a plane to who knows where before their family even knows what detention center they were at to get an attorney, they're gone. what the fvck. and then the idiot president antagonizes people that are frustrated with these scare tactics. LA riots are being escalated bc of how the feds are treating everyone, including citizens.
people like patrick just feed off of fox news 24/7, they have brain rot. they are unable to think for themselves. what fox news doesn't show is how discriminatory ICE/DHS/HSI has been lately, they disregard legal identification and just choose who to detain and abduct based on their emotional state that day. that's absolutely not OK. i haven't heard a single peep from a MAG fakkit regarding the US Marshall (federal law enforcement officer) that was detained by ICE for being a hispanic, or the construction worker that was sent to a detention center even after he showed a government ID, apparently ICE told him it's fake and took him away. That's a lawsuit and a nice payday for the lunacy of the feds. Of course, neither the agents nor their superiors or Trump will ever take accountability for that stuff. The next president, likely a democrat, will be cleaning up trump's mess for a long time.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15013094]Then you despise nearly 26% of the world's population. Good luck with that homie. And thanks for telling us you basically hate immigrants. Idk what this "mass immigration" problem it is that you speak of, but using Europe as an example is dumb because those are Democratic-Socialist nations. No one is saying we need to take on millions of refugees simultaneously with all of our other legal pathways.
And this is how I know you're falling for the rhetoric. The most amount of refugees we've ever taken in in a single year was 207,000 back in 1980. So where is this "mass immigration" coming from? Oh, that is unless you mean regular LEGAL immigration. Apparently it was good for your ancestors but not for anyone else.
You support legal immigration when it's your kind. That's the crux of the matter. And claiming overpopulation is nonsensical. The US is not overpopulated. Most of the country is made up of farms and rural areas, mountains, and underdeveloped terrain that have people who think like you living there.
And no one is saying we should use tax dollars to fund legal immigrants anyway. That's not how the green card process even works.[/QUOTE]
This is what cretins like you do, you accuse the other side of negative things to make your point of view more valid. Nowhere did I say or imply that I hate immigrants. So stop this lying and this nonsense you're spewing. Time and time again I have supported legal immigration. My family are immigrants. Just stop making shit up and perhaps you can have an honest conversation with the other side for once in your life.
Clowns like Hoops over here think that all Latinos are a monolith and think alike. Unless you're a Latino yourself, then you don't know how we feel on the issue. And I can say with certainty that the majority of Latinos in this country DO NOT support illegal immigration.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013126]Clowns like Hoops over here think that all Latinos are a monolith and think alike. Unless you're a Latino yourself, then you don't know how we feel on the issue. And I can say with certainty that the majority of Latinos in this country DO NOT support illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]
you are not a real latino, you don't have a clue of how difficult it is to become a legal immigrant. your family got asylum byb just saying that fidel was after them. that's all they had to say and they were granted entry, even if they were not under any danger. mexicans and south americans applying for a visa have to wait a long time, get vetted, pay a lot of money (relative to their incomes) and wait a year or 2 to get an appointment at an embassy. there is no "yes mister, fidel want to kill me" and boom! you're in. so SHUT DA FUKK UP.
and i've never met a hard working cuban. ya'll are lazy af, must be in a constant diabetic coma from eating all those plantains. let me know when you've had to walk across the hot sonoran desert fighting off coyotes, snakes, scorpions and dodging the border patrol while being extremely dehydrated, suffering from heat stroke crossing mountain terrains.
that's right you plantain eating b1tch, nothing has ever been easy for a mexican immigrant.
Its fun imagining ICE deporting Chewing for being Latino. But then your imagination is let down by the reality that Chewing is an insanely fat white guy who lives in the south and collects 4XL NBA jerseys.
Since the L.A. Wildfires and seeing how Karen Bass has handled everything. I cannot believe that person was ever voted in to run that city. She is incompentant.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15013133]you are not a real latino, you don't have a clue of how difficult it is to become a legal immigrant. your family got asylum byb just saying that fidel was after them. that's all they had to say and they were granted entry, even if they were not under any danger. mexicans and south americans applying for a visa have to wait a long time, get vetted, pay a lot of money (relative to their incomes) and wait a year or 2 to get an appointment at an embassy. there is no "yes mister, fidel want to kill me" and boom! you're in. so SHUT DA FUKK UP.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Wrong on all accounts. My family did not get political asylum. My family came here in the 60's and applied for citizenship legally. Your mind is so sick that you think you speak for all Latinos. We're not sick degenerates like you.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013162]Nope. Wrong on all accounts. My family did not get political asylum. My family came here in the 60's and applied for citizenship legally. Your mind is so sick that you think you speak for all Latinos. We're not sick degenerates like you.[/QUOTE]
Was your family originally from Mexico? (serious question)
Trump's stupidity is going to inadvertently seat Gavin Newsome into the Presidency.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013162]Nope. Wrong on all accounts. My family did not get political asylum. My family came here in the 60's and applied for citizenship legally. Your mind is so sick that you think you speak for all Latinos. We're not sick degenerates like you.[/QUOTE]
sure, whatever you say chico.
anyways, ima smoke one of these tonight:
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013126]Clowns like Hoops over here think that all Latinos are a monolith and think alike. Unless you're a Latino yourself, then you don't know how we feel on the issue. And I can say with certainty that the majority of Latinos in this country DO NOT support illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]
Come on man :lol
You’re the king of lumping groups together that you aren’t a part of and assuming everyone thinks the same.
“You Liberals this, you liberals that”. “Muslims this, Muslims that”.
I’m glad you can admit now that you only really know your own group or beliefs system, but you frequently don’t practice that thought.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013174]Come on man :lol
You’re the king of lumping groups together that you aren’t a part of and assuming everyone thinks the same.
“You Liberals this, you liberals that”. “Muslims this, Muslims that”.
I’m glad you can admit now that you only really know your own group or beliefs system, but you frequently don’t practice that thought.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of your response to me? Have i said anything that's factually incorrect?
[QUOTE=Meticode;15013164]Was your family originally from Mexico? (serious question)[/QUOTE]
I'd kill myself if I was Mexican.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013176]I'd kill myself if I was Mexican.[/QUOTE]
Where is your family from originally?
[QUOTE=Meticode;15013177]Where is your family from originally?[/QUOTE]
Mother's side is Cuban and father's side is Dominican.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013174]Come on man :lol
You’re the king of lumping groups together that you aren’t a part of and assuming everyone thinks the same.
“You Liberals this, you liberals that”. “Muslims this, Muslims that”.
I’m glad you can admit now that you only really know your own group or beliefs system, but you frequently don’t practice that thought.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013178]Mother's side is Cuban and father's side is Dominican.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;K1GhBfCG0F8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1GhBfCG0F8[/video]
**** these Democrat anarchists
You're wasting your money on Cuban cigars by the way. And stop trying to be like us. There's no Mexican Scarface for a reason.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013194]You're wasting your money on Cuban cigars by the way. And stop trying to be like us. There's no Mexican Scarface for a reason.[/QUOTE]
Who you kidding?
You're a honkey.
You made up this Cuban thing so you could shield yourself from hating on Latinos.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013178]Mother's side is Cuban and father's side is Dominican.[/QUOTE]
Right on! If you were Mexican I hope you wouldn't kill yourself.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15013194]You're wasting your money on Cuban cigars by the way. And stop trying to be like us. There's no Mexican Scarface for a reason.[/QUOTE]
LMAO, a fictional drug dealer? el chapo, a real life kingpin, has way more notoriety and aura than scarface ever will