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[QUOTE=highwhey;15016457]i don't think china will get involved directly. but i bet if the US is tied up with Iran, i suspect China will see a window at taking over Taiwan,,,[/QUOTE]
Expect them to directly intervene once Israel and US start creeping up on the Strait. They cooperate with the Russians.
The Russians are ready to play hardball.
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15016394]You're calling this an endless war a DAY after Trump intervened? :oldlol:
Look at how emotional and irrational you're behaving. You're foaming at the mouth. You want this to go on.
Edit: My apologies your post was from last night... not even an HOUR after Trump intervened.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that cute.
Baller thinks this is a one sided poker game and Iran will not retaliate.
If higher gas prices is the biggest pain we feel, I'll take that anyway...
[QUOTE=Axe;15016275]Now this is very disturbing. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I wonder what Neal Romer has to say about this current situation.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15016471]If higher gas prices is the biggest pain we feel, I'll take that anyway...[/QUOTE]
I'll be surprised if it's only that. It's going to be hard to tell though in this economy of tariffs and such though. I just hope we're not heavily involved in another Middle Eastern war for years where we blindly send our men into harms way over nothing.
[video=youtube;N4cs-8mrP_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4cs-8mrP_s[/video]
well the necons win again huh guys. god *uck it all.
How the U.S. bombing of Iran would've looked like:
[video=youtube;U2XL7S-c7Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2XL7S-c7Fg[/video]
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Shut your autistic ass up.
[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;15016467]Isn't that cute.
Baller thinks this is a one sided poker game and Iran will not retaliate.[/QUOTE]
In poker you can win one of two ways. You can win by getting your opponent to fold or you can win by having the best hand. We know for certain that U.S. & Israel aren't folding so that means Iran would need to have the cards to win.
Do you think Iran has the cards? I don't. It would require China and/or Russia going to bat for them and I don't think either side is willing to at this point, especially Russia who has their own hands full with their own active conflict.
Iran can retaliate sure. They can posture and they can beat their chest, but it doesn't mean shit if they don't hold the cards. And if Trump signaled anything with this attack, it's that he's not fukking around. I don't think he has any issue pushing their shit in even further if he has to.
Our side is going to come out on top most likely, the question is at what cost.
Draft Poopsie First.
No one's "for or against" this war is meaningful. For the simple fact that none of us have a real grasp of the severity of Iran's nuclear weapons program or how big of a threat that really is to the world. They can tell us that Iran is grave threat, with "weapons of mass destruction" but none of us know how real that is.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15016826]No one's "for or against" this war is meaningful. For the simple fact that none of us have a real grasp of the severity of Iran's nuclear weapons program or how big of a threat that really is to the world. They can tell us that Iran is grave threat, with "weapons of mass destruction" but none of us know how real that is.[/QUOTE]
considering how israel has been one step ahead of iran + mossad's notoriety in the intelligence community + israel's cowardness/bully tactics, it's clear they had a good idea that iran does not have a nuke. if they did, israel wouldn't have struck first. this entire conflict is a case study why nukes are great deterrents, but not having one makes you susceptible to attacks like that of israel.
I will say that most people are unaware of the fact that a raise in oil prices is actually a net gain for the US. Trump and our Gov I am sure have a firm grasp on that, which is why they don't care if Iran shuts their oil down. Because just like the Russia Ukraine war, it results in the US supplying everyone instead. At a high price even.
The US produces the most oil in the world and it will be happy to supply those that can no longer get oil from Iran.
Our gas prices will rise, and that is the part that is in everyone's face. But what they are not seeing is the new wealth flowing in.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15016832]I will say that most people are unaware of the fact that a raise in oil prices is actually a net gain for the US. Trump and our Gov I am sure have a firm grasp on that, which is why they don't care if Iran shuts their oil down. Because just like the Russia Ukraine war, it results in the US supplying everyone instead. At a high price even.
The US produces the most oil in the world and it will be happy to supply those that can no longer get oil from Iran.
Our gas prices will rise, and that is the part that is in everyone's face. But what they are not seeing is the new wealth flowing in.[/QUOTE]
And that money goes to Trump's true base and the only one he cares about, the elites... working class be damned
[QUOTE=TheMan;15016900]And that money goes to Trump's true base and the only one he cares about, the elites... working class be damned[/QUOTE]
Yes, the average citizen will just be paying more at the pump. But this being Trump's last term, he no longer has to win over the population.
Starting to look the same as when Soleimani was bombed in 2020. Iran tells the US where it's going perform retaliation, fires off a few rockets and that's that.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15016905]Starting to look the same as when Soleimani was bombed in 2020. Iran tells the US where it's going perform retaliation, fires off a few rockets and that's that.[/QUOTE]
"we bombed iran, and they are retaliating by bombing our military bases abroad, but it's no big deal i promise"
the mental gymnastics required to be a trump supporter is top comedy
[QUOTE=highwhey;15016908]"we bombed iran, and they are retaliating by bombing our military bases abroad, but it's no big deal i promise"
the mental gymnastics required to be a trump supporter is top comedy[/QUOTE]
It is a big deal, the vast majority of MAGA don't support helping Israel like this and are vocal about that.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15016909]It is a big deal, the vast majority of MAGA don't support helping Israel like this and are vocal about that.[/QUOTE]
i'm not seeing that at all. i understand my anecdotal experience does not represent the entirety of MAGA, but i am surprised that i am not seeing more backlash. i've actually not seen any from his loyalists. my fb is full of MAGAs (i work in the construction industry), and every comment has been along the lines of "it was a long time coming" or "i'm proud of my president" or "FAFO".
[QUOTE=highwhey;15016910]i'm not seeing that at all. i understand my anecdotal experience does not represent the entirety of MAGA, but i am surprised that i am not seeing more backlash. i've actually not seen any from his loyalists. my fb is full of MAGAs (i work in the construction industry), and every comment has been along the lines of "it was a long time coming" or "i'm proud of my president" or "FAFO".[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Iran is a terrorist breeding shithole nation. They ****ed around and found out. I like your Facebook friends. You, not so much.
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it's wild that trump is taking action to remove massie simply because he didn't fall in line like every other republican. what an insecure little b1tch, dude needs to have all republicans agree with him or else they get the boot. the zionist lobby has insane power. israel first.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15016832]I will say that most people are unaware of the fact that a raise in oil prices is actually a net gain for the US. Trump and our Gov I am sure have a firm grasp on that, which is why they don't care if Iran shuts their oil down. Because just like the Russia Ukraine war, it results in the US supplying everyone instead. At a high price even.
The US produces the most oil in the world and it will be happy to supply those that can no longer get oil from Iran.
Our gas prices will rise, and that is the part that is in everyone's face. But what they are not seeing is the new wealth flowing in.[/QUOTE]
Oil is down 5%
[QUOTE=highwhey;15016910]i'm not seeing that at all. i understand my anecdotal experience does not represent the entirety of MAGA, but i am surprised that i am not seeing more backlash. i've actually not seen any from his loyalists. my fb is full of MAGAs (i work in the construction industry), and every comment has been along the lines of "it was a long time coming" or "i'm proud of my president" or "FAFO".[/QUOTE]
The most upvoted comments on twitter and forums are about wanting to focus on America first, but what do you realistically expect, that Trump doesn't have leeway and your friends on facebook would start supporting AOC?
You want to equate it to Bush Obama wars, but most people won't go into a frenzy about destroying these 3 facilities with warning given ahead of time that it might happen. And if Iran can no longer enrich Uranium at scale at least for a good while, most people probably thinks that's a good thing as well.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15016925]The most upvoted comments on twitter and forums are about wanting to focus on America first, but what do you realistically expect, that Trump doesn't have leeway and your friends on facebook would start supporting AOC?
You want to equate it to Bush Obama wars, but most people won't go into a frenzy about destroying these 3 facilities with warning given ahead of time that it might happen. And if Iran can no longer enrich Uranium at scale at least for a good while, most people probably thinks that's a good thing as well.[/QUOTE]
What part of this isn't only about Iran's nuclear program but regime change are you having trouble comprehending? Trump already undercut Rubio and Vance talking to the Sunday morning political news shows with his moronic MIGA tweet. Trump is literally a 14 year old troll on social media with his idiot tweets, he is not a serious person, this guy is not the guy you want leading you in an existential fight... fortunately for us it isn't at this time unless this shit escalates out of control (certainly not off the realm of possibility) to where the Russians or Chinese or worse, both get involved, then it will be shitting bricks time because this retard can unintentionally get us into WWIII.
Do you really really trust this retard's instincts? :facepalm
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15016925]The most upvoted comments on twitter and forums are about wanting to focus on America first, but what do you realistically expect, that Trump doesn't have leeway and [B]your friends on facebook would start supporting AOC?[/B]
You want to equate it to Bush Obama wars, but most people won't go into a frenzy about destroying these 3 facilities with warning given ahead of time that it might happen. And if Iran can no longer enrich Uranium at scale at least for a good while, most people probably thinks that's a good thing as well.[/QUOTE]
Never implied that. I expect fully grown adults to think for themselves and stop being NPCs, you know...hold donnie boy accountable for his actions, but i forget, he's never held himself accountable so why would anyone else do that for him?
in regards to your 2nd point, that would be respectable except these were the same people riding his d1ck when he said no wars. the memes write themselves.
this is like 99% of MAGA this past week:
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Well there's that.
Total cease fire between Iran and Israel. Trump won again.
No active plans for US to respond to Iran's retaliation: Official, sources
There are no active plans for the U.S. to respond to Iran's retaliation at this time, according to a U.S. official and two sources familiar with the president's thinking.
One source cited Iran's attacks as a "failed retaliation" and said there was a growing consensus among the president's advisers that there may not need to be a response at this time.
The source stated the president feels Iran has gotten the attacks "out of their system," as Trump stated on social media Monday, but cautioned he reserves the option to change his mind.
Trump announces Israel and Iran have agreed to ceasefire, set to begin in 6 hours
President Donald Trump announced on social media that Israel and Iran have agreed to a complete and total ceasefire, set to begin in approximately 6 hours.
The agreement involves two 12-hour ceasefire periods, according to Trump:
Iran will initiate the first 12-hour ceasefire.
Israel will follow with the second 12-hour ceasefire.
After 24 hours, the war will be officially declared ended.
[url]https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-iran-live-updates-irans-khamenei-punishment-israel/?id=123109706[/url]
Iran already denying it lol
I think it's impossible for anyone to jump to any conclusions. There is a lot of posturing going on now. Trump himself has proven that things can change on a whim and that even what he's saying can't be taken at face value. In war no one can be trusted.
Having said that, I had to cite this post from Dave Smith. I kind of like Dave, he seems willing to have an honest discussion and he embarrassed a lot of woke lefties in the lead up to the election, but posts like these are why he's also a total idiot:
[url]https://x.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1937270676164907441[/url]
[B]What exactly is the hawks explaining for the restraint that Iran showed in their response, that doesn’t destroy the foundational claim for their entire justification for this conflict in the first place?[/B]
^ Is he asking what good reason Iran would have to show restraint? Lol you mean aside from having their shit pushed in from the other side of the globe with a single strike? Geez I dunno, why do you think Japan showed so much "restraint" after Hiroshima?
Do tell Dave.
[QUOTE=TeflonDonTrump;15016957]Well there's that.
Total cease fire between Iran and Israel. Trump won again.[/QUOTE]
it was supposed to be a temporary ceasefire anyway but its not even true.
Your boy is playing cute infront of the cameras. He's treating this presidency like a reality tv show.:oldlol:
[QUOTE=TeflonDonTrump;15016957]Well there's that.
Total cease fire between Iran and Israel. Trump won again.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=brownmamba00;15016967]it was supposed to be a temporary ceasefire anyway but its not even true.
Your boy is playing cute infront of the cameras. He's treating this presidency like a reality tv show.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Immigrant meltdown ^^^
this entire thing was a psyop, i knew it from the beginning but i also was running my own pysop on you guys to gauge your reactions.
[url]https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-us-strikes-06-23-25-intl-hnk#cmc9lse6g001a3b6nr1gx8whn[/url]
“At this very moment, the enemy is committing aggression against Iran, and Iran is on the verge of intensifying its retaliatory strikes, with no ear to listen to the lies of its enemies,”
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15016911]Exactly. Iran is a terrorist breeding shithole nation. They ****ed around and found out. I like your Facebook friends. You, not so much.[/QUOTE]
So are Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Yemen, Oman, Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Syria, North Korea, countless African countries, Lebanon, Palestine, China, Russia, other former Soviet Union countries, Venezuela and a couple other South American countries, etc etc. Should the US declare war on all of them?? Let's just police the entire globe, thoughts?
[QUOTE=TeflonDonTrump;15016957]Well there's that.
Total cease fire between Iran and Israel. Trump won again.[/QUOTE]
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!
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