Ace Bailey is legit

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037979]The person that supposedly did watch them said they had a weak schedule. 8th toughest in the country in the 2nd toughest conference. I watch my ncaa team. I know players are older which means better. But hey keep bringing that energy and tell me otherwise! I saw lots of mannys new fave demin and i saw the sixers pick. They didnt impress me like ace but maybe they will in the nba? :lol[/QUOTE]

So you saw VJ last game vs Minny and wasn’t impressed? The person who said he watched Ace did in fact watch Ace. As we all were in the Cooper Flagg thread discussing him. And he in fact watched him more than me because he is a Dylan Harper fan. Don’t play this “supposedly” game when you in fact didntt watch Rutgers or teams in that conference to determine how strong they were. You went online and found stats to support a claim. How you don’t find this strange behavior is funny to me.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037984]So you saw VJ last game vs Minny and wasn’t impressed? The person who said he watched Ace did in fact watch Ace. As we all were in the Cooper Flagg thread discussing him. And he in fact watched him more than me because he is a Dylan Harper fan. Don’t play this “supposedly” game when you in fact didntt watch Rutgers or teams in that conference to determine how strong they were. You went online and found stats to support a claim. How you don’t find this strange behavior is funny to me.[/QUOTE]

Saw gim in college

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037981]It is possible that durant played in a tougher conference since the big 12 is usually the best but unlikely since the ncaa is better now because the players are older. Common sense which i guess is something you lack. I didnt watch the sixers more than twice last year but i know they sucked :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Now it’s possible Durant played in a tougher conference when you were so adamant it was weak. All because Utah drafted a kid from Rutgers. So you want to show he played in a tougher conference even though you don’t even follow college basketball. Common sense would be you just sticking to the nba. Talking about things you aren’t knowledgeable on makes you look like an idiot. Don’t be an idiot.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037985]Saw gim in college[/QUOTE]

No you didn’t.

Let’s just go back to waiting for Ace Bailey next game and discussing that. You can’t talk college hoops here. You don’t watch.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037987]No you didn’t.

Let’s just go back to waiting for Ace Bailey next game and discussing that. You can’t talk college hoops here. You don’t watch.[/QUOTE]

I didnt watch ace. Why would i watch a crappy team in new jersey?

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037988]I didnt watch ace. Why would i watch a crappy team in new jersey?[/QUOTE]

A team in the “toughest conference in college basketball”

A team that featured two highly touted NBA lottery picks

I don’t know.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037990]A team in the “toughest conference in college basketball”

A team that featured two highly touted NBA lottery picks

I don’t know.[/QUOTE]


I just follow my teams these days. I have other interests.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037994]I just follow my teams these days. I have other interests.[/QUOTE]

I can’t tell you speak like you follow everything and everyone. “Hard to argue that”.

You want argue that younger players are better than older players? Dont know what to tell you. Some things are just common sense.:wtf:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15037997]You want argue that younger players are better than older players? Dont know what to tell you. Some things are just common sense.:wtf:[/QUOTE]

The first 8 picks in the draft were 1 and done. I guess they didnt get your memo about guys staying in school. :lol

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038000]The first 8 picks in the draft were 1 and done. I guess they didnt get your memo about guys staying in school. :lol[/QUOTE]

The top prospects are still going more guys are staying longer. They have options now. Many guys entered the tranfer portal and the draft. In The past they would have had to sit a year to transfer so they may have went pro if they werent happy at their school than sit a year or because they needed to feed their family.

Flagg only freshman on 1st or 2nd team all america. 3 graduate seniors. 2 seniors. 2 juniors. 2 sophomores. Those teams were dominated by freshman for a couple decades. Players staying in school makes a better game in college and the nba. Might be hard for ish to ununderstand? :confusedshrug:

Also have euro pros going to ncaa which couldnt happen in the past

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038008]The top prospects are still going more guys are staying longer. They have options now. Many guys entered the tranfer portal and the draft. In The past they would have had to sit a year to transfer so they may have went pro if they werent happy at their school than sit a year or because they needed to feed their family.

Flagg only freshman on 1st or 2nd team all america. 3 graduate seniors. 2 seniors. 2 juniors. 2 sophomores. Those teams were dominated by freshman for a couple decades. Players staying in school makes a better game in college and the nba. Might be hard for ish to ununderstand? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


So who were the guys who could have been drafted this year but decided to stay in school? I know a couple but this is not a common thing.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038010]Also have euro pros going to ncaa which couldnt happen in the past[/QUOTE]


The top 2 picks in the draft last year played overseas . Holland and Buzelis played for overtime elite which didn't even exist in 2006.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038015]The top 2 picks in the draft last year didn't play in college.[/QUOTE]

But they also have other options now. Demin went to an nba program and became a lottery pick

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038017]But they also have other options now. Demin went to an nba program and became a lottery pick[/QUOTE]

Another one and done. Guys who can get drafted don't stay in school often. It is the random late 1st/2nd round guys that decided to stay in school

A handful of guys aren't enough to change the competitive landscape. There are so many teams that the effect is negligible.There are 18 teams just in the big 10.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038020]Another one and done. Guys who can get drafted don't stay in school often. It is the random late 1st/2nd round guys that decided to stay in school

A handful of guys aren't enough to change the competitive landscape. There are so many teams that the effect is negligible.There are 18 teams just in the big 10.[/QUOTE]

Guys guaranteed 1st round makes sense. 2 guaranteed years. Otherwise they are weighing their options especially if they like school like student athletes should. Stupid to have guys in college that are only there to play sports. Give the scholarships to those who want to be there. If the gleague was a real minor league it would help. The best player in the final four played 4 years as did half of the all americans i.e. the best players.. older players is better. The ncaa and nba are better now. Not as good as when most guys played 4 or at least 3 but a lot better than it was before nil and portal for sure. Less guys like cody williams and keyonte george watering down the nba on tanking teams is better

Also more ncaa teams hiring nba coaches and personnel to prepare guys for the nba

Much better than before nil? :lol

NIL just started and there are only a handful of guys choosing to stay in school instead of getting drafted. You are acting like it is dozens of players even though you can't name one of them.

Two of the guys drafted top 10 last season played in the gleague.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038024]Much better than before nil? :lol

NIL just started and there are only a handful of guys choosing to stay in school instead of getting drafted. You are acting like it is dozens of players even though you can't name one of them.

Two of the guys drafted top 10 last season played in the gleague.[/QUOTE]

I have to name the graduate seniors and seniors who were voted as top 10 players? Broome, clayton, sears, jones and tonje. Tonje i know is 24. The average age has went up. A handful of players doesnt change the average age. Most of the guys drafted top 10 should have played in the gleague. That is a big part of the problem. They should all be considered gleaguers until they prove otherwise. Nba should be for proven vets. A lot easier to tank with gleaguers though. You if anyone should have a handle on it with that roster. You called ace a project. Projects should be in the gleague not taking minutes from a proven vet. Sucks!

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038026]I have to name the graduate seniors and seniors who were voted as top 10 players? Broome, clayton, sears, jones and tonje. Tonje i know is 24. The average age has went up. A handful of players doesnt change the average age. Most of the guys drafted top 10 should have played in the gleague. That is a big part of the problem. They should all be considered gleaguers until they prove otherwise. Nba should be for proven vets. A lot easier to tank with gleaguers though. You if anyone should have a handle on it with that roster. You called ace a project. Projects should be in the gleague not taking minutes from a proven vet. Sucks![/QUOTE]

Do you not understand English? Let's try this again.

Who are the guys who COULD HAVE BEEN DRAFTED THIS YEAR BUT DECIDED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL INSTEAD?

Two I know of are Yaxel Lendeborg and Philon? Anyone else?

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038027]Do you not understand English? Let's try this again.

Who are the guys who COULD HAVE BEEN DRAFTED THIS YEAR BUT DECIDED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL INSTEAD?

Two I know of are Yaxel Lendeborg and Philon? Anyone else?[/QUOTE]

I named 5 of the top 10 players that have played at 4 years instead of going pro. Only flagg was a freshman so 9 of 10 went back for more schooling after their freshman year. I know ritchie saunders went back to try to win the title with aj

multiple reports list over 30 players who withdrew before the initial May 28 deadline, with others withdrawing even later. Some articles specifically mention the return of players like Braden Smith (Purdue) and Thomas Haugh (Florida).

Significant increase: The number of players returning to college after declaring for the draft was notably high in 2025, potentially higher than previous years. This is the first year that players can withdraw after the NBA combine, giving more flexibility.

At least 45 NCAA players entered the 2025 NBA draft and then withdrew to return to college, though the exact number fluctuates and some sources may vary. This was a significant number, driven in part by factors like Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals and recent rule changes allowing players to withdraw even after the NBA combine.

In the past more than 60 guys entered the nba draft early when only 60 can be drafted. Now they have other options than going pro. Not sure why that is so difficult to undetstand?

NIL deals: High-profile NIL deals at some universities made it more financially viable for players to stay in school.
Draft projections: Many players who were not projected as lottery picks or first-round selections opted to return to school to improve their draft stock.
Rule changes: The new rule allowing players to return to school after the combine if they notify their athletic director by a certain deadline provided a safety net for those who participated in the event.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038030]At least 45 NCAA players entered the 2025 NBA draft and then withdrew to return to college, though the exact number fluctuates and some sources may vary. This was a significant number, driven in part by factors like Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals and recent rule changes allowing players to withdraw even after the NBA combine.[/QUOTE]



:facepalm

Nobody was talking about the draft stock of Clayton or Sears last year. If they had come out they would behave been mid 2nd round picks at best, probably going undrafted.

Feel free to post the mock drafts from last year that had Clayton or Sears ranked anywhere.

Guys staying 4 years is nothing new. They were doing that 20 years ago too because their draft stock wasn't high enough to come out early.

You still haven't provided one name that would have been drafted this year but chose to go back to school.
Just because someone declared for the draft doesn't mean they actually would have been drafted. A lot of guys who went back to school did so because they didn't get drafted.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038032]:facepalm

Nobody was talking about the draft stock of Clayton or Sears last year. If they had come out they would behave been mid 2nd round picks at best, probably going undrafted.

Feel free to post the mock drafts from last year that had Clayton or Sears ranked anywhere.

Guys staying 4 years is nothing new. They were doing that 20 years ago too because their draft stock wasn't high enough to come out early.

You still haven't provided one name that would have been drafted this year but chose to go back to school.
Just because someone declared for the draft doesn't mean they actually would have been drafted[/QUOTE]

Ritchie saunders. Draft stock will probably drop because of his age

NIL and the transfer portal are keeping players in college longer, which allows teams to see prospects develop for more seasons before they are draft-eligible. This can lead to a more polished product entering the draft, although it has also led to a decrease in early entrants, as seen in recent years.

Also the top conferences are getting better because of transfer portal

In the past guys may have went pro even if they werent projected to be drafted by the nba. Needed money, didnt want to sit out a year to transfer etc. More fuys are staying in school longer. Unless you gate school and arent guaranteed to be a 1stvrounder it makes more sense to stay in school now. Hard to understand?

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038033]Ritchie saunders. Draft stock will probably drop because of his age

NIL and the transfer portal are keeping players in college longer, which allows teams to see prospects develop for more seasons before they are draft-eligible. This can lead to a more polished product entering the draft, although it has also led to a decrease in early entrants, as seen in recent years.

Also the top conferences are getting better because of transfer portal[/QUOTE]

So that's 3 guys. Sorry but that isn't changing the competitive landscape in the NCAA.

The good prospects still declare ASAP. There were 14 one and done players in the first round.

Yaxel Lendeborg (Michigan): The forward and two-time AAC Defensive Player of the Year was a potential first-round pick but will play his final season at Michigan instead.
Milos Uzan (Houston): After a stellar season with the Cougars, Uzan withdrew his name and returned to Houston, positioning the program as a top contender.
PJ Haggerty (Kansas State): The AAC Player of the Year withdrew from the draft and transferred from Memphis to Kansas State.

Boogie Fland (Florida): After an impressive freshman season at Arkansas that was cut short by injury, the guard withdrew from the draft and transferred to Florida.
Donovan Dent (UCLA): The guard was one of the best point guards in the country at New Mexico before transferring to UCLA for his final year of eligibility.
Labaron Philon (Alabama): The dynamic guard nearly declared for the draft but returned to Alabama for a starring role in the team's offense.

Tahaad Pettiford (Auburn): Despite a strong performance at the NBA Draft Combine, the guard decided to return to Auburn for his sophomore year.
Darrion Williams (NC State): The first-team All-Big 12 forward transferred from Texas Tech to NC State.
Isaiah Evans (Duke): As a key returning piece for Duke, Evans has the opportunity to break out in the ACC during the 2025–2026 season.

2025–2026 season.
Alex Condon (Florida): The forward opted to return to Florida, a move that helped bolster the team's prospects following several key departures.
Elliot Cadeau (Michigan): A gifted passer and former five-star prospect, Cadeau transferred from North Carolina to Michigan to run the offense for coach Dusty May.
Karter Knox (Arkansas): After a strong finish to his freshman season, Knox returned to Arkansas, making the team a potential top-15 contender.

Bruce Thornton (Ohio State): The veteran guard is a key returner who helps position the Buckeyes for the 2025–2026 season.
Dante Moore (Oregon) and Caleb Banks (Florida): These players were also listed as prospects who opted to return to college.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038035]So that's 3 guys. Sorry but that isn't changing the competitive landscape in the NCAA.

The good prospects still declare ASAP. There were 14 one and done players in the first round.[/QUOTE]

14 guaranteed contracts fir two years. Smart move!

14 guys returned that were projected to be drafted. More than a handful for most of us

Let's assume that all of those guys would have been drafted, which is debatable. That isn't moving the needle. There are 52 teams just in the top 3 conferences (Sec, big 10, and ACC).

Most likely some of them pulled out of the draft because they realized they wouldn't be drafted.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038039]Let's assume that all of those guys would have been drafted, which is debatable. That isn't moving the needle. There are 52 teams just in the top 3 conferences (Sec, big 10, and ACC).

Most likely some of them pulled out of the draft because they realized they wouldn't be drafted.[/QUOTE]


2025 Big 12 tournament: Bracket, schedule, scores for men's ...
The Big 12 was the #1 ranked conference in NCAA men's basketball for the 2024-25 season

More players returned to school last year than ever before. It does make a difference. Older more experienced players. If they werent in a top conference many transferred to one. Pros fros around the world also joining. Ncaa better than it has been in more than 2 decades certainly

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038040]2025 Big 12 tournament: Bracket, schedule, scores for men's ...
The Big 12 was the #1 ranked conference in NCAA men's basketball for the 2024-25 season

More players returned to school last year than ever before. It does make a difference. Older more experienced players. If they werent in a top conference many transferred to one. Pros fros around the world also joining. Ncaa better than it has been in more than 2 decades certainly[/QUOTE]



:roll:

The SEC had 14 teams make the NCAA tournament, twice as many as the big 12

I went back a looked at the 2007 draft and that draft class was older than this one.

:roll:

There were 8 juniors and 5 seniors just in the first round there were only 8 freshmen compared to 14 this year.

:roll:

Notably there were 3 juniors in the top 10 horford, Noah and Jeff Green.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038042]I went back a looked at the 2007 draft and that draft class was older than this one.

:roll:

There were 8 juniors and 5 seniors just in the first round there were only 8 freshmen compared to 14 this year.

:roll:

Notably there were two juniors in the lottery, horford and Noah.[/QUOTE]


And yet the average age of college players has went up

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038044]And yet the average age of college players has went up[/QUOTE]

Based on what, the voices in your head?

I can't remember any time in recent years when there were 3 juniors in the top 10, 13 upper class men in the first round. That would never happen now.

This draft class was younger than 2007 you have been talking out of your ass the whole time.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038042]I went back a looked at the 2007 draft and that draft class was older than this one.

:roll:

There were 8 juniors and 5 seniors just in the first round there were only 8 freshmen compared to 14 this year.

:roll:

Notably there were 3 juniors in the top 10 horford, Noah and Jeff Green.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038041]:roll:

The SEC had 14 teams make the NCAA tournament, twice as many as the big 12[/QUOTE]

Quality vs quantity.

Postseason Success: Of the seven teams that made the tournament, six made it to the Sweet 16 or further.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038045]Based on what, the voices in your head?

I can't remember any time in recent years when there were 3 juniors in the top 10, 13 upper class men in the first round. That would never happen now.

This draft class was younger than 2007 you have been talking out of your ass the whole time.[/QUOTE]

Already posted it. If you arent going to pay attention why should i bother schooling you?