Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038383]The Bonds steroid thing is a really slippery slope.

Bonds was great pre-steroids and was already on his way to being one of the best ever, but he still doesn't reach the heights he did without them. He went to a totally different level after taking them, just like McGuire and Sosa. He was better than them so he reached even greater heights.

But the reason I say it's slippery is because where do you draw the line. From the 50's-70's all the players were on amphetamines. If you're gonna call Bonds a cheater because he took steroids then the same logic should apply to them too. Also the guys who were on cocaine during the 80's.[/QUOTE]

Cocaine is not giving you an unfair advantage. What kind of nonsense did you just type? lol The effects of cocaine doesn’t even last long. Nice swing and miss there bud.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038299]Of all the greatest pitchers in that era I think Clemens actually gets forgotten the most. The later steroid aspect certainly doesn't help but he was such a dawg.

7 Cy's. Only 5 instances in MLB history of 20 K's in a game and he has 2 of them.

You always hear about Maddux (76 pitch complete game shutout), Pedro (4 pitch dominance), and Johnson (struck everyone out) and rightfully so but he doesn't get mentioned much.[/QUOTE]

That’s wild about the 20k’s only 5 times.

Off top of my head if you said Clemens has two.

I remember Kerry Wood had a meteoric rise before injuries and he clocked one in.

I’m guessing the others were Pedro Martinez (who I low key think was modern day goat pitcher) and big unit

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038418]Cocaine is not giving you an unfair advantage. What kind of nonsense did you just type? lol The effects of cocaine doesn’t even last long. Nice swing and miss there bud.[/QUOTE]

Look up greenies dude. Baseball season is a grind and amphetamines are performance enhancers big time.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038323]I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux years and he was a guy that chose to keep a low profile. Smoltz was everywhere doing commercials and appearances but Maddux didn't. He had almost reverse charisma.

I played a pickup game with some of the Braves once. Smoltz isn't as big as he looked on TV but Avery was bigger than he looked on TV lol. Afterwards Smoltz was wandering around the gym asking for $10 to pay the guest fee.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I was a low key Atlanta fan even though I hated them because they were so good in the 90’s. McGriiff and Justice were legit. But their pitching staff was unreal. Maddox, , Glavin, Smoltz, Avery as your number 4 starting pitcher? Ridiculous.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038323]I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux years and he was a guy that chose to keep a low profile. Smoltz was everywhere doing commercials and appearances but Maddux didn't. He had almost reverse charisma.

I played a pickup game with some of the Braves once. Smoltz isn't as big as he looked on TV but Avery was bigger than he looked on TV lol. Afterwards Smoltz was wandering around the gym asking for $10 to pay the guest fee.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

:lol

That is good shit

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038250]That would make you like 45. I don't believe you are that old. If so, you have to be the most immature middle aged man I have encountered. :oldlol:

I didn't see pre steroids Bonds but know how highly regarded he was. He peaked as a hitter when he was on steroids though, that isn't even a debate.

Only thing Bonds was better at during the 90's was fielding and stealing bases, but even as a defensive fielder during the 90's he didn't really blow you away, people always shitted on his weak arm.

Mays had the total package. Pre steroids Bonds as a hitter was basically Mays level, Bonds was probably slightly better, but Mays as a defensive fielder was superior, some have him as the best defensive center fielder ever.[/QUOTE]

You are a dumb asshole who doesn’t know much about baseball.

Go **** yourself

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038422]That’s wild about the 20k’s only 5 times.

Off top of my head if you said Clemens has two.

I remember Kerry Wood had a meteoric rise before injuries and he clocked one in.

I’m guessing the others were Pedro Martinez (who I low key think was modern day goat pitcher) and big unit[/QUOTE]

Pedro actually never did it. You called Unit correctly but the other was Max Scherzer in 2017 I believe.

[QUOTE=imdaman99;15038373]Degrom is a pitcher strictly and had at least a game or 2 hitting a home run winning 1-0. While obviously not as dramatic as a playoff game but how much pressure was it being up 3-0 in a series playing an overmatched and shook team?

You guys thump your chests when he's hitting 3HRs in a 14-0 game. [B]But running up your stats in a blowout win ain't impressing me.[/B] Hating aside it was a great game :lol[/QUOTE]

:lol

I know you cooled off just after this but baseball is fundamentally different than basketball. Short of having a position player or a shitty long reliever pitch (which doesn't happen in the playoffs, particularly an elimination game to go the WS), running up the score or coasting isn't a thing. All pitchers are always trying their best to make their pitches and get outs, and all hitters are always trying their best to get on base. Regardless of what the series score is.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038423]Look up greenies dude. Baseball season is a grind and amphetamines are performance enhancers big time.[/QUOTE]

What? I specifically cited cocaine. Read.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038428]Pedro actually never did it. You called Unit correctly but the other was Max Scherzer in 2017 I believe.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Sounds about right.

Pedro was insane in his hey day. Had like 4 or 5 pitches that were dirty as ****. Had control, movement, and heat.

Maddox was amazing though he had a huge arsenal too but could dissect pretty much any hitter with a steady diet of low 90’s 2 seem fastballs located perfectly pretty much every single time.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038431]What? I specifically cited cocaine. Read.[/QUOTE]

Yeah dude they referred to greenies which was basically adderall in the 70’s and you went on some tangent about cocaine.

With all due respect you are a low key ****ing idiot

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038427]You are a dumb asshole who doesn’t know much about baseball.

Go **** yourself[/QUOTE]
How old are you?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038434]How old are you?[/QUOTE]

Someone old enough to follow baseball in the 90’s unlike your lame ass watching nerdy YouTube videos and trying to speak like he knows shit

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038435]Someone old enough to follow baseball in the 90’s unlike your lame ass watching nerdy YouTube videos and trying to speak like he knows shit[/QUOTE]

You are almost 50 and still go around posting like a kid? Very sad.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038436]You are almost 50 and still go around posting like a kid? Very sad.[/QUOTE]

You are a midget beaner who never played sports and regurgitates retarded shit you hear other people say on YouTube videos

Kill yourself :roll:

I can't believe someone who is almost 50 wanted to meet up in person and fight over something I said about Curry.

Either you are lying about your age or the most emotionally immature middle aged man I have encountered.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038433]Yeah dude they referred to greenies which was basically adderall in the 70’s and you went on some tangent about cocaine.

With all due respect you are a low key ****ing idiot[/QUOTE]

“ Also the guys who were on cocaine during the 80's.”

Do you have selective reading? Are you slow? I guess that explains why you just roam the board posting one liners. Not much of a substance fella huh? Cocaine is not helping baseball players in ways you think steroids or even amphetamines do. It was dumb to imply the 80’s had a cocaine era that helped players perform. The effects of cocaine are shortlived. Baseball is a long game. Just shut up. You want to argue about something I never mentioned. Signs of someone that lacks reading and comprehension. I can’t help you there. Your parents should’ve left you on a napkin. But alas you’re here…

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038438]I can't believe someone who is almost 50 wanted to meet up in person and fight over something I said about Curry.

Either you are lying about your age or the most emotionally immature middle aged man I have encountered.[/QUOTE]

You are a little ***** who tries to bullshit things you know nothing about. Shrug

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038439]“ Also the guys who were on cocaine during the 80's.”

Do you have selective reading? Are you slow? I guess that explains why you just roam the board posting one liners. Not much of a substance fella huh? Cocaine is not helping baseball players in ways you think steroids or even amphetamines do. It was dumb to imply the 80’s had a cocaine era that helped players perform. The effects of cocaine are shortlived. Baseball is a long game. Just shut up. You want to argue about something I never mentioned. Signs of someone that lacks reading and comprehension. I can’t help you there. Your parents should’ve left you on a napkin. But alas you’re here…[/QUOTE]

Well gj completely ignoring half his post where he talks about greenies and tangent it all to cocaine.

Intellectually dishonest debate tactic and you aren’t fooling anyone. I’m not here to debate cocaine but players were definitely doing the modern day equivalent to adderall back in the day and it definitely is a performance enhancer for baseball. Hammerin Hank Aaron was straight on one.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038440]You are a little ***** who tries to bullshit things you know nothing about. Shrug[/QUOTE]

That's basically you. When you don't agree with someone's point, instead of refuting them by adding your own arguments and points, you personally attack them because you don't really have any points of your own. You just expose your low IQ when you do that.

It's very sad seeing someone who is almost 50 going around having temper tantrums and personally attacking posters over mundane things.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038442]That's basically you. When you don't agree with someone's point, instead of refuting them by adding your own arguments and points, you personally attack them because you don't really have any points of your own. You just expose your low IQ when you do that.

It's very sad seeing someone who is almost 50 going around having temper tantrums and personally attacking posters over mundane things.[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry you admit to us you were an obese child and didn’t even play sports growing up and have an extremely shallow grasp of basics in sports.

Also that you have no intellectual consistency and try to slam MJ and Wilt for playing in previous era while disparaging their competition yet in the next sentence try to say Ruth is goat because he did so well vs even worse competition.

You are just a clown. Go back to making threads about YouTube videos you watched about how the Moon is a spaceship rather than pretending you know a shred about sports.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038443]I’m sorry you admit to us you were an obese child and didn’t even play sports growing up and have an extremely shallow grasp of basics in sports.

Also that you have no intellectual consistency and try to slam MJ and Wilt for playing in previous era while disparaging their competition yet in the next sentence try to say Ruth is goat because he did so well vs even worse competition.

You are just a clown. Go back to making threads about YouTube videos you watched about how the Moon is a spaceship rather than pretending you know a shred about sports.[/QUOTE]

Didn't you admit that you smoke crack?

You are one of the biggest clowns on this forum, it has been this way for over a decade. You constantly get clowned on and nobody likes you.

Go away.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038444]Didn't you admit that you smoke crack?

You are one of the biggest clowns on this forum, it has been this way for over a decade. You constantly get clowned on and nobody likes you.

Go away.[/QUOTE]

No I didn’t that is something you nerds made up :lol

You got nothing and know nothing. You are nothing. Keep parroting low iq shit you get from vegging out on YouTube videos.

Moon is a spaceship! :roll:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038446]No I didn’t that is something you nerds made up :lol [/QUOTE]

lmaoooo

You literally posted a pic of some crack rock you just bought.

Around the time you posted your dirty apartment with empty beer cans and ashtrays everywhere

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038441]Well gj completely ignoring half his post where he talks about greenies and tangent it all to cocaine.

Intellectually dishonest debate tactic and you aren’t fooling anyone. I’m not here to debate cocaine but players were definitely doing the modern day equivalent to adderall back in the day and it definitely is a performance enhancer for baseball. Hammerin Hank Aaron was straight on one.[/QUOTE]

You’re not here to debate cocaine. So why did you reply?

“In the 70’s Kareem was best player in the nba. In the 80’s it was magic and bird. In the 90’s it was Shaq”.

Me “no in the 90’s it was MJ. Nice try”

Warriormeathead “Kareem was considered the best in the 70’s plus it was wildly recognized magic and bird was in the 80’s. I’m not here to debate what he said about the 90’s.”


You’re not bright at all here. Go find a way to get banned and feel accomplished in life

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038448]You’re not here to debate cocaine. So why did you reply?

“In the 70’s Kareem was best player in the nba. In the 80’s it was magic and bird. In the 90’s it was Shaq”.

Me “no in the 90’s it was MJ. Nice try”

Warriormeathead “Kareem was considered the best in the 70’s plus it was wildly recognized magic and bird was in the 80’s. I’m not here to debate what he said about the 90’s.”


You’re not bright at all here. Go find a way to get banned and feel accomplished in life[/QUOTE]

You are a low iq idiot and everyone knows. **** off you piece of trash.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038447]lmaoooo

You literally posted a pic of some crack rock you just bought.

Around the time you posted your dirty apartment with empty beer cans and ashtrays everywhere[/QUOTE]

You’ve never seen crack lol.

Talking about shit you know nothing about just like football, baseball, basketball, the moon.

You legit know nothing about nothing and watch YouTube videos from other idiots and then try to tell people what’s up. It’s insanely cringe lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038450]You’ve never seen crack lol.

Talking about shit you know nothing about just like football, baseball, basketball, the moon.

You legit no nothing about nothing and watch YouTube videos from other idiots and the. Try to tell people what’s up. It’s insanely cringe lol[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;uJ1hKtYOx_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1hKtYOx_c[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038451][video=youtube;uJ1hKtYOx_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1hKtYOx_c[/video][/QUOTE]

Speak of the devil, a YouTube video lmao

I ain’t clicking that shit I actually know shit I talk about and formulate my own opinions. I don’t watch that shit.

Keep wasting your life on your computer consuming low quality YouTube garbage from unqualified sources then gaslighting yourself into being some sort of expert.

Tell me how that works out for you :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038432]Interesting. Sounds about right.

Pedro was insane in his hey day. Had like 4 or 5 pitches that were dirty as ****. Had control, movement, and heat.

Maddox was amazing though he had a huge arsenal too but could dissect pretty much any hitter with a steady diet of low 90’s 2 seem fastballs located perfectly pretty much every single time.[/QUOTE]

Pedro had no weakness. Always on point with everything.

On top of the insane control, Maddux was like a computer with his knowledge of hitters. I think it was Tony Gwynn who got a hit off of him one time and he said in an interview that he knew he would never see that pitch in that spot again.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038453]Pedro had no weakness. Always on point with everything.

On top of the insane control, Maddux was like a computer with his knowledge of hitters. I think it was Tony Gwynn who got a hit off of him one time and he said in an interview that he knew he would never see that pitch in that spot again.[/QUOTE]

That’s wild. But yes many of the best were like that. Ted Williams was another one who could recall virtually every at bat he had in his entire life.

Maddux and Gwynn battles though. That stuff is pretty legendary.

I’ve heard some good stories about Pedro’s older brother getting some hype with the dodgers and he would tell them just wait till my little brother gets here :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038452]I actually know shit I talk about and formulate my own opinions. [/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038456]:lol[/QUOTE]

I would tell you to try it sometime but you legit have too low of an iq to do it.

Keep reflecting back about how apparently nba players in the 60’s-90’s were so bad that they can’t be compared to modern players yet in the next breath rant about how Ruth is the goat because he beat up on a segregated 1920’s league…. Lmfao


Clown

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038458]I would tell you to try it sometime but you legit have too low of an iq to do it.

Keep reflecting back about how apparently nba players in the 60’s-90’s were so bad that they can’t be compared to modern players yet in the next breath rant about how Ruth is the goat because he beat up on a segregated 1920’s league…. Lmfao


Clown[/QUOTE]

Since you are a little slow, here is one of my earlier posts in this thread regarding Ruth.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038093][B]Relative to their era[/B] Babe Ruth will never be topped. He was hitting more home runs than some teams and also had a season where he was the best pitcher in the American League.

Not even MJ was that dominant. Ruth was by far the best athlete of the 20th century.[/QUOTE]

How dumb do you feel?

There is also a thread in the NBA forum right now of me defending Russell and Wilt over Hakeem, yet you choose to ignore that.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038459]Since you are a little slow, here is one of my earlier posts in this thread regarding Ruth.



How dumb do you feel?[/QUOTE]

“ Not even MJ was that dominant. Ruth was by far the best athlete of the 20th century.”

You said this because he beat up on an archaic league, while you detract from past NBA players for doing the same thing with your weird LeBron stanning

You make up opinions randomly and work backwards to try to justify it rather than having a consistent thought process that works forward to discern who were the best players.

You probably won’t understand this even when I’m spelling it out in rudimentary terms because you are legit dumb as shit but there it is.

You legit think the moon is a spaceship…. :roll:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038460]“ Not even MJ was that dominant. Ruth was by far the best athlete of the 20th century.”

You said this because he beat up on an archaic league, while you detract from past NBA players for doing the same thing with your weird LeBron stanning

You make up opinions randomly and work backwards to try to justify it rather than having a consistent thought process that works forward to discern who were the best players.

You probably won’t understand this even when I’m spelling it out in rudimentary terms because you are legit dumb as shit but there it is.[/QUOTE]
I already explained to you that I mostly troll older players when those same posters who praise them shit and troll LeBron's play.

The fact that you can't tell the difference when someone is trolling and being serious just shows how slow you are.

I recently made fun of a list for having Hakeem ahead of Wilt & Russell, yet you choose to ignore that. Wonder why.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038461]I already explained to you that I mostly troll older players when those same posters who praise them shit and troll LeBron's play.

The fact that you can't tell the difference when someone is trolling and being serious just shows how slow you are.

I recently made fun of a list for having Hakeem ahead of Wilt & Russell, yet you choose to ignore that. Wonder why.[/QUOTE]

You are dumb as **** and think the moon is a spaceship.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038462]You are dumb as **** and think the moon is a spaceship.[/QUOTE]

You are a crackhead who is going through with withdraws this morning.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038463]You are a crackhead who is going through with withdraws this morning.[/QUOTE]

You are a midget beaner who thinks the moon is a spaceship and gonna waste his entire day watching retarded YouTube videos :lol

Nice life