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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
I don't think Keanu is white + asian I think he's pacific islander or Native etc....
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=KWALI]I don't think Keanu is white + asian I think he's pacific islander or Native etc....[/QUOTE]
Actually Keanu's father is Half Chinese and Half Hawaiian while her mother is an English women.
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He was born Keanu Charles Reeves on the 2nd of September, 1964, in Beirut. His father Samuel Nowlin Reeves, a part-Chinese part-Hawaiian geologist had married English showgirl Patricia Taylor there, the couple having met after he'd seen her performing at a nightclub. His name, Keanu, is Hawaiian for "cool breeze over the mountains". Well, literally-speaking it means "the coolness", but the fancy extension is forgivable. We all need a little more poetry in our lives, don't we?
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[url]http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/keanu_reeves_biog.html[/url]
[B]Matrix Trivia[/B]
While the Wachowski brothers were writing the script for the [B]Matrix[/B], their first choice to play Neo was Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee. ... you realize that Keannu Reeves reminds me alot of the late Brandon Lee. ( almost look like the same)
[img]http://www.nndb.com/people/962/000031869/brandon-lee-sized.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.chinaexpat.com/files/u1/Brandon_Lee.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.clara.net/firstuniversal/lor-v.jpg[/img]
Brandon Lee's father Bruce Lee is [B]1/3 [/B]German and [B]3/4 [/B]Chinese while her mother is an English girl.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Why all the surprise and intrigue?:confusedshrug:
BASKETBALL (AND EVERY OTHER SPORT) IS RIGGED, BOTH ONE WAY AND THE OTHER. :eek:
Once you understand and accept this, there are no surprises.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=poeticism707]Why all the surprise and intrigue?:confusedshrug:
BASKETBALL (AND EVERY OTHER SPORT) IS RIGGED, BOTH ONE WAY AND THE OTHER. :eek:
Once you understand and accept this, there are no surprises.[/QUOTE]
You don't really believe that.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
MJ leads the league in no calls! Both offensively and defensively.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=skillswithaz]uh oh...umm
"Well if Kobe had taken a shot like that, they would've called him for an offensive foul and suspended him for game 7 because it was unnatural reaction."[/QUOTE]
Not really in 2days nba Russell will get call for hand checking.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Bump
My take: It does look like his hand goes forward, but I don't really see any touch... It's more of a slip imo.
I guess you could call one for the idea/movement itself... Like when you try to kick someone but he escapes the foot, you'd still get tossed..
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
If you notice, MJ BARELY touched Bryon Russell who was so off balance and out of position that he slipped trying to adjust. That would be weakest offensive foul ever if called....
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[QUOTE=bagelred]If you notice, MJ BARELY touched Bryon Russell who was so off balance and out of position that he slipped trying to adjust. That would be weakest offensive foul ever if called....[/QUOTE]
Yea.. what really hurt the game and the Jazz, was their legit 3 pointer waived off, and Harper's (?) 2 that was actually after the shot clock expired, counted.... While the Jazz 3 was still with a second left on the sc.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
It was not a foul. When I look at it from the best angle frame by frame all I see is what I call an ass caress, with Jordan's left hand coming down from top to bottom. Not forward pushing.
It would be the softest foul ever if it's a foul. And Jordan would have to have Goku like strength to make such a soft ass caress throw Russell to the floor.
What makes more sense, Russell fell from momentum and desperately trying to get back to try and block Jordan's shot, or that a soft ass tap just sent him flying to the floor. Wouldn't Russell be bitching?
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
I thought it was a foul when I seen it but I guess you could go either way.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Doesn't really matter...Does anybody really doubt that Jordan wouldn't have gotten a shot off regardless and probably would have made it?
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=Dro]Doesn't really matter...Does anybody really doubt that Jordan wouldn't have gotten a shot off regardless and probably would have made it?[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? How can he get off a shot when they call a foul?
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]What do you mean? How can he get off a shot when they call a foul?[/QUOTE]
I mean if he didn't use the "alleged" pushoff/crossover and had to use another move instead.....
Not saying Jordan would automatically make every clutch shot because he didn't. But in that situation in that game, I would bet on him making the shot.....
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Cheating to win, that is the mentality players need.
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[QUOTE=Dro]I mean if he didn't use the "alleged" pushoff/crossover and had to use another move instead.....
Not saying Jordan would automatically make every clutch shot because he didn't. But in that situation in that game, I would bet on him making the shot.....[/QUOTE]
That shot was like a free throw cause there was no way the defender could recover.
He MJ could've made a move but it's not guaranteed to get him as open as that slight "push" did.
[URL="http://youtu.be/vdPQ3QxDZ1s"]http://youtu.be/vdPQ3QxDZ1s[/URL]
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BU... BUT DAT HANDCHECKING DOEEEE :(. Lol offensive players could get away with cheating back then too.
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Refs would want MJ's autograph yet MJ stans today complain about LeBron getting favorable treatment. :lol
As to the play in question, it may have been a foul but it was the NBA Finals and you want it to be decided on the court so not calling it was the correct thing to do. However, if it was called the Jazz likely win Game 7 which would be in Utah and Pippen was unlikely to be able to play.
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[QUOTE=Dro]Doesn't really matter...Does anybody really doubt that Jordan wouldn't have gotten a shot off regardless and probably would have made it?[/QUOTE]
i doubt it. lol. I doubt most things that didn't happen. If Jordan didn't push off who knows. Now, do I doubt the bulls win that series? NO.
-Smak
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[QUOTE=brwnman]yep, I thought it was well known...[/QUOTE]
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Yeah I agre I love MJ but that was an offensive foul that wasn't called.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
I've been saying this for 10 years
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Probably. But that was something everyone knows they let go late in the game, for anyone,: not just Jordan.
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[quote=SI Article]
SI.com: First question -- Did Michael Jordan push off against Byron Russell?
John Stockton: No question.[b] I'm not saying that because I think it should have been called a foul. I don't. But he shoved him.[/b]
SI.com: [b]So he pushed off, but no foul.[/b]
Stockton: Agreed.
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[url]http://www.si.com/nba/2013/11/11/john-stockton-utah-jazz-nba-hall-fame-interview[/url]
If John ****ing Stockton isn't complaining, then everyone else should let it the hell go. :no:
And shit, this happens all the time. Reggie Miller admitted to fouling him and;
[i]"Daring the refs to make the call," - Reggie Miller[/i]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5drIn3aLco[/url]
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Probably. But that was something everyone knows they let go late in the game, for anyone,: not just Jordan.[/QUOTE]
no the refs/nba picks and chooses there fouls/nonfouls just look at that cp foul on the westbrook 3 at end of game 5, people usually say its playoffs refs aren't gonna call a foul like that at end of games, was literally one finger on his forearm then cp gets hacked and no call
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[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Refs would want MJ's autograph yet MJ stans today complain about LeBron getting favorable treatment. :lol
As to the play in question, it may have been a foul but it was the NBA Finals and you want it to be decided on the court so not calling it was the correct thing to do. However, if it was called the Jazz likely win Game 7 which would be in Utah and Pippen was unlikely to be able to play.[/QUOTE]
Those calls call rarly get call at the end of games. Reggie Miller shoved the living hell out of MY and no call.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Jordan was an immovable force.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
It was probably a foul, but not a foul forceful enough to be whistled at that point of the game, unless the refs were fooled by Russell going flying, which might have happened in other situations, but not here. After all, this wasn't the worst decision taken in that game, since the fates of 2 separate baskets changed thanks to the refs, which I don't know how many times has ever happened during the same game, especially in such an important game. This is a collective +5 in favor of Utah being rendered a +0 in 2 calls.
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[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]In my opinion, it depends on what angle you look at it from. When you look at it from the front angle, it looks like a push off. However, when you look at it from the side, it appears to be a light touch and that Russell fell down more because his momentum was heading one way and Jordan pulled back so quick that he kept going.
I think the "push off" is overstated. There was light contact, but not enough to call an offensive foul.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. When you look at the angle, depending on where you are, it was a light touch. Now if those late 90s players knew how to flop like the current NBA players, oh that would have been an offensive foul. But again, the 90s era was all about being tough and playing ball, minus Divac :facepalm
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
50 years later...
Some old [COLOR="Black"]as[/COLOR]s former ref: "I still think Jordan might've fouled Russell in Game 6"
Why the hell are people still talking about this? Its been more than 16 years since it's happened. We can't do anything to change the past. And besides... that was probably the greatest moment in playoff history.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
The GOAT broke his ankles, it wasn't a push, MJ barely touched his ass. Russell fell most likely due to momentum. It would absurd calling it an offensive foul and Russell didn't even whine about it.
Those last minutes of that game was the most clutch performance ever. GOAT gonna GOAT. :bowdown:
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Look at all the available angles, there is one clearly showing it wasn't a push. It doesn't matter either way tho, no one will call a foul on that play. :confusedshrug:
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
Why was this bumped 7 years after the fact? :wtf:
Also, even if it was a foul (it wasn't) no ref is going to call that in that situation... even if it's [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbL5U3MUzWA"]AGAINST Jordan himself[/URL]
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
That was a very weak push. My little niece wouldn't even fall down from that push. Russell got murked and lost his balance.
I've seen pushes stronger than that one that were not called. And it shouldn't be called near the end of the game.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
They counted the bucket and he won a championship.
Some dumb ref saying he thinks it was a foul is pointless. It wasnt. Get over it.
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[QUOTE=Soundwave]That's not a foul you guys are just too used to today's p*ssy-fied NBA where every damn little thing is a foul and every 2-guard relies on the refs to bail them out.
Look at this:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNnLXBnMfM[/url]
Reggie Miller *clearly* pushes off Jordan there, it's a small little push, but a full on, both forearms shove into the chest that sends Jordan flying back ... no foul call.
You don't call touch falls in clutch situations, the players should decide the game.[/QUOTE]
Jordan never complained about that either.
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Re: Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."
The game was just more physical then. That kind of contact wasn't uncommon.
When Zo did this to Pippen...
[IMG]http://i.dailyherald.com/stories/267/267568.jpg[/IMG]
..it was only called a regular hard foul. Pip shrugged it off without exaggeration and play continued.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Why was this bumped 7 years after the fact? :wtf:
Also, even if it was a foul (it wasn't) no ref is going to call that in that situation... even if it's [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbL5U3MUzWA"]AGAINST Jordan himself[/URL][/QUOTE]
Exactly!! Series before the finals:oldlol:
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[QUOTE=Poetry]The game was just more physical then. That kind of contact wasn't uncommon.
When Zo did this to Pippen...
[IMG]http://i.dailyherald.com/stories/267/267568.jpg[/IMG]
..it was only called a regular hard foul. Pip shrugged it off without exaggeration and play continued.[/QUOTE]
Bran would of been hospitalized for the season.
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[QUOTE=dreamwarrior][B]Jordan never complained about that either[/B].[/QUOTE]
:applause:
"In 1995, as you saw on the video, yeah, I pushed," Miller said Friday during his Hall of Fame induction speech. "I'm sorry. The ref didn't call it, I went with it."
"Like Magic said, 'By any means necessary,'" [B]he added, offering a similar admission about pushing Michael Jordan in the 1998 playoffs[/B]. "So I apologize. I've never said that publicly. So Greg, OK. I shoved you and kept you down."