Ben Wallace and Joakim Noah separated in locker room...at half time

[QUOTE=saKf]I'm with Noah on this one.

I can't believe he's the only one who's pissed about players not caring during a loss.[/QUOTE]
SAKF would you or would you not bench one of kids if he was laughing on the bench during a game your squad is losing?

I'm pretty sure I know your answer already. :)

[QUOTE=boozehound]sure didnt ahve anything to do with their miserable start and the terrible play from their "big" 3 (Kirk, ben, deng) :rolleyes:

get some perspective[/QUOTE]

None of those 3 admitted that they weren't playing hard for Skiles. Only Wallace came out and said that. And Wallace was the guy that went to Reinsdorf with his agent to "consult" about Skiles days before the firing. None of those 3 had anything to do with that.

And for as bad as Hinrich has been, he doesn't come close to Wallace. The guy is having the worst offensive year for a big man in the history of the NBA. And his defense is pathetic too.

Simply put, he is the biggest problem with the team and he has to go today. He is a coach-killing cancer that has more power than anyone in the organization not named Reinsdorf. It's time for the Chairman to step in get him out of there.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]SAKF would you or would you not bench one of kids if he was laughing on the bench during a game your squad is losing?

I'm pretty sure I know your answer already. :)[/QUOTE]

I know this wasn't posed to me, but I'd think it depends on what the players are laughing about. If they're showing a disregard for the game -while winning or losing- then it's a problem. If they're just staying loose, but still paying attention to the game, I'd think it's less of a big deal. If they're laughing at Noah because they hate him, then I'd tread carefully because the team is about to implode.

Does anyone actually know who or what they were laughing about? Or who was laughing?

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You can't argue with Wallace's record (Carisle, Brown, Flip, Skiles), but Bulls fas are trying to blame the season on him when he is such a small part of their terribleness.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? Ben Wallace is the primary reason the Bulls are terrible.

First, he's awful on the court, clearly among the worst centers in the NBA this year. Zero offense, spotty defense, doesn't even rebound particularly well.

Second, he's awful off the court, quitting on Scott Skiles so as to get Skiles fired, organizing the players in their disgraceful punishment of Noah (who the heck are this year's Bulls to point fingers at anybody?), laughing his butt off as the team gets destroyed.

On a young team with meek personalities, the guy who was signed to be the team's role model, is a dog without a collar.

Yesterday, Noah busted his ass for 12 points, 11 rebounds. Wallace jogged to 4 points, 3 boards. And laughed.

In the 20 years that I have watched the Bulls, nobody ever brought down a squad like Wallace is doing this year.

[QUOTE=dak121]
And for as bad as Hinrich has been, he doesn't come close to Wallace. The guy is having the worst offensive year for a big man in the history of the NBA.
[/QUOTE]
did you follow him before you signed him? He has always been a terrible baller (apparently he has small hands and can barely palm the ball). Now that hes lost some of his athletic ability, a 6'7" (ive heard hes really closer to 6'6") guy playing the 5 is going to suck offensively. his only offense was on alleys, blown assignments, and putbacks. Hes probably shorter than the average sf in the nba today. I dont doubt he had a role, but its pretty clear as an outsider he is only one part of the problem (and skiles approach to the players, not just wallace, seems to have been a part of it. Just cause they havent comeout and said it doesnt mean they hadnt tuned his aggressive barfight provoking style ass out).

Joakim Noah for Andrea Bargnani?

- Bargnani is quiet and seemingly doesn't give a damn about anything. Perfect fit alongside guys who will laugh after losses.

- Noah is fiery but Sam Mitchell would bodyslam him in an instant if he crosses the line.

EDIT: Stupid typo... brain not working too well.

[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]JBargnani is quiet and seemingly doesn't give a damn about anything. Perfect fit alongside guys who will laugh after wins.[/QUOTE]
It's so strange to see Raptor fans say the kind of things I did about Bargnani after all the venom spewed in my direction for saying them.

[QUOTE=Patrick27]Noah's often tardy and got into a scuffle with his current coach. Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]

Ah, I did not know about the lateness. Yeah, that would go over poorly.

How could anyone see how much of a duuchebag Noah was before he got into the nba and not anticipate this? I mean, i'm surprised it took THIS long.

Not to say he's wrong about being miffed guys are laughing on the bench, but as a rookie guys dont take well to you telling them about it, right or wrong. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else, i guarantee you. Thats Noah for you.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3y5hTHuP4[/url]

okay maybe everybody missed this on the first page - please

try turning off your sound and then watch...

[QUOTE=brwnman][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3y5hTHuP4[/url]

okay maybe everybody missed this on the first page - please

try turning off your sound and then watch...[/QUOTE]
yeah I caught it. What a goof. I wonder how he skanks

[QUOTE=picc84]Not to say he's wrong about being miffed guys are laughing on the bench, but as a rookie guys dont take well to you telling them about it, right or wrong. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else, i guarantee you. Thats Noah for you.[/QUOTE]

Seeing that these are the same bums that got their coach fired and are currently a bottom of the barrel team in the East they should take the criticism well.

Unlike the 'great guys' that Paxson seems to love so much, Noah actually gives a damn and is willing to say something about it.

**** this team.

I don't care if the guy fancies 6 year old boys in his spare time. The question is, does he help the Bulls win on the basketball court?

On that score, Noah has been OK -- several games this year he has come off the bench, played well defensively, grabbed some boards, added energy, done what a big role player is supposed to do. Maybe he's supposed to be better than a role player as a lottery pick, but at least he's been a positive.

Energy off the bench is always useful, but even better when team that plays Wallace and Tyrus.

Really, Noah needs to shut his mouth. It's not as if he was asked to be a vocal leader of the team, like Brandon Roy was. What gives him any right to cross a vet like Wallace? Is it just me, or does Noah seem to be wayyy too proud and arrogant. He didn't even want to play in Chicago in the first place. It's not like he's out on the floor contributing to the Bulls' effort that often.

[QUOTE=dak121]Seeing that these are the same bums that got their coach fired and are currently a bottom of the barrel team in the East they should take the criticism well.

Unlike the 'great guys' that Paxson seems to love so much, Noah actually gives a damn and is willing to say something about it.

**** this team.[/QUOTE]
something tells me that you loved all of these exact same bums last year. Oh the beloved baby bulls could do no wrong.

[QUOTE=Patrick27]Noah's often tardy and got into a scuffle with his current coach. Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]


ya but Jerry Sloan doesn't tolerate stuff like that plus he is a tough minded coach himself and all the Jazz players care about winning.... With Sloan, all his players are like him in a way............ I mean look at the Bulls now..... they have a new temporary coach for the rest of this season and they're treating him like a damn substitute teacher :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Noah is upset that players laugh on the bench and everybody makes it seem like he's the bad guy. Shame on your Noah!

Bulletproof Ben Wallets

[QUOTE=BULLS]This is why people who haven't watched more than 10 minutes of a Bulls game don't belong in this thread.

What gives him any right to cross the biggest disgrace in Chicago Bulls history is what you meant. [/QUOTE]

Exactly. I can't believe that a Bulls fan who watches the team regularly, would ever support Ben Wallace on anything. Maybe that fan also doesn't like Noah and says they are both at fault, that I could see. But taking Wallace's side? Can't be a Bulls fan, because the guy is just murdering our team.

I mean, would any Knicks fan pound the table and defend Eddie Curry?

[QUOTE=BULLS]

Pistons/Ohio St. fans are the only ones who side with Wallace.[/QUOTE]
what is the OSU connection?

[QUOTE=JohnR]Exactly. I can't believe that a Bulls fan who watches the team regularly, would ever support Ben Wallace on anything. Maybe that fan also doesn't like Noah and says they are both at fault, that I could see. But taking Wallace's side? Can't be a Bulls fan, because the guy is just murdering our team.

I mean, would any Knicks fan pound the table and defend Eddie Curry?[/QUOTE]

I agree...Wallace has done nothing with us..once again...the Bulls thought he would come in bring defense and leadership hahah leadership??

I like Noah but I dont defend him in this situation....even though his heart and passion is in the right place...hes still a rookie...he needs to shut up and play basketball and not call your team out (twice this year) and fight with your coach....I wouldnt be shocked if hes involved in a trade at the deadline...due to all the stuff hes done and what the bulls are not telling us...I hope they dont get rid of him...because Noah is going to be good with more playing time...but he needs to control himself and shut the *uck up....

[QUOTE=DieHardBullsFan]I agree...Wallace has done nothing with us..once again...the Bulls thought he would come in bring defense and leadership hahah leadership??

I like Noah but I dont defend him in this situation....even though his heart and passion is in the right place...hes still a rookie...he needs to shut up and play basketball and not call your team out (twice this year) and fight with your coach....I wouldnt be shocked if hes involved in a trade at the deadline...due to all the stuff hes done and what the bulls are not telling us...I hope they dont get rid of him...because Noah is going to be good with more playing time...but he needs to control himself and shut the *uck up....[/QUOTE]
a good reasonable post from a bulls fan! Bravo, its been a couple of pages

[QUOTE=BULLS]Not hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]
lets see. Virginia Commonwealth...... Most Pistons fans arent OSU fans (though I am sure some are)..... Still dont see it

Oh and I like your location

trade ben wallace to the knicks for zach randolph

[QUOTE=BULLS]Not even close. Again, most 10 year olds could figure this out.

How sad.[/QUOTE]
wow you really are a d[COLOR="Black"]ic[/COLOR]k. There has been little to no Noah hate in this thread, other than saying that he is cocky and arrogant (which he clearly is)

Gators. Buckeyes. National Championship. Think on it.

Anyone that think Jo Noah was in the wrong should go speak to whatever basketball coach they know.

Go ask how they would treat their bench players laughing during a game they were losing.

Guarantee you hear one of two responses:

a - nip it in the bud right there; whoever was responsible is benched for the rest of the game

b - don’t say anything there and make them run an extremely high amount of suicides the following day and let them know that laughing during a loss will not be tolerated.

Ben Wallets is single handedly destroying the future of that organization.

[QUOTE=boozehound]something tells me that you loved all of these exact same bums last year. Oh the beloved baby bulls could do no wrong.[/QUOTE]

They won 49 games last year and actually played like they gave a damn. This year they laugh on the bench while getting blown out by 20 points every other night.

How would anyone respond to seeing their team becoming a disgrace? I'm not going to sit here and say that all is well and stick with them to the end. Especially when they're getting paid millions of dollars.

Screw them.

Noah is a rookie but he was acting like a veteran. Players shouldn't be laughing if your team is loosing. It doesn't matter who's a rookie and who's not. If Wallace thinks he's the man of the house for being the one with the ring HE NEEDS TO ACT LIKE BIG BEN ON THE COURT! NOT ON THE LOCKER ROOM!

I don't see how joakim is in the wrong here. If Ur team is playing with no heart and laughing it up on the bench, U address it. No questions asked, its not acceptable behavior as a basketball player and a competitor. He is used to being a leader, and nobody said anything about it so he stepped up as a leader and said what needed to be said. I'm assuming many of U have never played competitive basketball before from a lot of the responses. Or if U did, it probably wasn't at a high level. U have to respect him for doing what he did.

Now, I understand he's a rookie and he has to know his role as one, but I'll be damned if I'm playing the game I love and my teammates are just going through the motions, laughing up a storm on the bench. U expect me to keep my mouth shut? To allow that to keep on going? Its been a frustrating season for the bulls, joakim is trying to light a much needed fire under their asses. Rookie or not, something needed to be said. I bet if this was lebron yelling at his teammates his rookie season it would all be fine and dandy to yall, but I guess that's just how it goes.

*in before "joakim is not lebron"

i love how everyone is acting like players on the bench laughing while there team is losing is sooo uncommon in the nba. where was the thread about what a little ***** noah is for physically confronting a coach. Yeah, thats not a more important issue to most coaches than laughing on the bench :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=boozehound]i love how everyone is acting like players on the bench laughing while there team is losing is sooo uncommon in the nba. where was the thread about what a little ***** noah is for physically confronting a coach. Yeah, thats not a more important issue to most coaches than laughing on the bench :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Where did you get the story about a physical confrontation? Everything I read hinted at a shouting match.

hmmn, ill look for it. In the meantime, here is what noah says [URL="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/743422,noah011608.article"]Joakim Noah said whoever leaked a story about his Tuesday confrontation with Ben Wallace in the Bulls' locker room is dividing the team. Noah, speaking on WSCR-AM (670), denied a confrontation took place.[/URL]

From the link you provided

[QUOTE]Noah's still upset that his teammates extended his one-game benching to two games after his [B]verbal altercation[/B] with assistant coach Ron Adams last Friday in Philadelphia. Wallace was one of the players who called for the meeting to vote on extending Noah's penalty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dak121]They won 49 games last year and actually played like they gave a damn. This year they laugh on the bench while getting blown out by 20 points every other night.

How would anyone respond to seeing their team becoming a disgrace? I'm not going to sit here and say that all is well and stick with them to the end. Especially when they're getting paid millions of dollars.

Screw them.[/QUOTE]

What's even more sad is this bulls team was built with players who were champions or did very well in college. It is very interesting that they seem to have forgotten their former "winning attitudes."

[QUOTE]Noah walked into the room loudly complaining about Bulls players laughing on the bench, then Wallace confronted Noah, and Luol Deng had to step in and pull them apart, the witnesses said.[/QUOTE]


What the hell? What's there to laugh about? That your team was down by a bunch?

I 100% understand Noah.

His statline this year is a joke:


[B]Year Team [SIZE="2"][SIZE="3"]G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG[/B]

07-08 CHI 34 34 32.8 0.330 0.000 [B]0.471 [/B] 3.7 5.2 [B]8.9[/B] 2.0 1.4 1.7 0.94 1.80 [B]4.4[/B][/SIZE][/SIZE]

He has to still be hurting somewhat, because there is NO way that a player with his minutes could simply be this bad. Noone mails it in THAT much.

LMAO, I LOVE the Ben 'Wallets' nickname. Hilarious.

[QUOTE=Chuck Thou NBA]:oldlol: Ben Wallets. Classic.[/QUOTE]


Haha,,I don't come up with much on this board, but yeah Ben WALLET is the best thing I ever came up with,,,,

Just came one day when I was pissed at him as usual. Then I made a thread about it. Glad it has stuck.

BTW, **** him. Noah is the BEST for standing up to that piece of trash.