[QUOTE=Myth]I'm disappointed he stopped the trade, but really, who would want to go play for NJ without Kidd?[/QUOTE]
I would happily play at the league's minimum...
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[QUOTE=Myth]I'm disappointed he stopped the trade, but really, who would want to go play for NJ without Kidd?[/QUOTE]
I would happily play at the league's minimum...
at least he's admitting he's looking out for number one.
he's not a soldier, but that don't make him a bad guy.
he's just a guy.
just there.
just taking up space.
not good.
not bad.
nothing polarizing about it.
he's just there.
and he'll leave soon as he gets a better opportunity leading to a better contract.
[B]"Fucc yo trade, *****!"[/B]
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Get em, D. George!
Although I actually kind of want this trade to go through haha
he aint the jackass in all of this. The jackass is the idiot who decided to give him a no-trade clause for a 1 year contract.
If this trade doesn't go through because of DG, i doubt he is coming back to dallas after 1 year. Either way, he is out. He should have gone and not re-signed with the Nets when his contract is up. Now, he just became an ass that other GMs might question on having him on their teams. If it is a star, than I can atleast understand. But DG? wtf!
Jason Kidd Trade: Avery Johnson's reaction 02
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4yxWSlxXE[/url]
Why would he sacrifice his Larry Bird rights though? It's about a 3.5mil a year difference. LoL, he is getting roasted on SportsCenter hard :oldlol:
At the end of the day....A man has to do whats good for him
[QUOTE=bada bing]he aint the jackass in all of this. The jackass is the idiot who decided to give him a no-trade clause for a 1 year contract. [/QUOTE]
that jackass is the CBA.
jackass.
^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)
Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.
[quote]Article VII: Section 8
(b) A player with a one-year Contract (excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the player's consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade).[/quote]
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]Why would he sacrifice his Larry Bird rights though? It's about a 3.5mil a year difference. LoL, he is getting roasted on SportsCenter hard :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I think he is doing the thing thats right for him......At the end of the day its all about BUSINESS
They should tell him to either accept the trade, or get the Tim Thomas treatment. I.E., sit at home and collect your paycheck.
Not that I really blame George. If he doesn't want to get traded, and he's in that rare position that he has the ability to stop it...can't blame him.
Are the Mavericks morons? They didn't know he had a no-trade clause until tonight? They never asked him in advance if he'd mind being included in the trade?
Something is strange about that.......
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)
Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.[/QUOTE]
good breakdown DatZ
Every Dallas Maverick besides the one in that trade should whoop his ass at practice tommorrow.
He's a marked man in Dallas now.. :oldlol:
paraphrased from DaMavs on db.com. I'm still not quite understanding the 5.3million figure though but he's always right on the CBA related things
[QUOTE=RandomBalla55]Every Dallas Maverick besides the one in that trade should whoop his ass at practice tommorrow.
He's a marked man in Dallas now.. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Mavs are the softest team in the NBA. Only person in that locker room who could beat him up is Stack or Josh. If it's 1 on 1, he'd murk everybody else easy.
From a site that's not i.s.h
[quote]Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to a seven-player deal earlier Wednesday in which Dallas would have sent 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager and George along with $3 million and two future first-round picks -- to the Nets for Kidd and forward Malik Allen. The teams were planning to submit the trade details for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn't agree to being included. ESPN.com
"It would have been done tonight if not for [George]," said one team official involved in assembling what looked to be the NBA's third blockbuster deal this month. But Dallas, according to sources, is not optimistic about changing George's mind, meaning that both teams would likely have to put other players in the deal if the nine-year veteran can't be swayed. The Nets wanted George included because his contract expires at season's end, adding to their long-term salary savings from the transaction. "We're not trying to block anything," Bartlestein told ESPN.com. "The issue is that if he agrees to this deal, he has to give up his Bird rights. To lose that tool in today's world of free agency is a difficult thing to do. "In this day and age, the sign-and-trade is a valuable tool that I don't want to lose for Devean. We're not trying to cause a problem. Teams have to do what's in their best interest. Sometimes players do, too. I hate to cause grief, but I have to do what's best for Devean. It's not a power play. My job is to protect him." ESPN.com
If George's veto ends up quashing this trade, it would not be the first time that a lesser name caused a monumental deal to collapse. In the summer of 2000, Matt Geiger's refusal to waive his trade kicker squelched a four-team deal between the Sixers, Pistons, Lakers and Hornets that would have sent Allen Iverson to the Pistons. ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reports that the Nets and the Mavs were likewise poised to complete a separate trade that would send swingman Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick. ESPN.com
Unless George changes his mind, the Mavericks are going to have to put someone else in the deal who makes about what he makes -- $2.4 million. Dallas doesn't have anyone else making that money, so the Nets are going to have to put someone else in, too. "We
lol he just saved the Mavs from that horrible trade ...
good job George! :applause:
I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?
Wouldn't he agree to this deal if the Nets just agreed to buy him out and Dallas resigns him????:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?[/QUOTE]
Don't forget they gave Damp a 70 mil contract. HAHA they could have just kept Nash for 60 something. Damp is trash.
The Mavericks are the dumb ones here. First for giving him a no-trade clause and then seemingly forgetting that he had it and might use it here.
I'd do the same thing. Stay on the better team and have at least the chance for a bigger contract after this one finishes. Just because the Mavs really want Jason Kidd shouldn't mean a thing to George.
[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?[/QUOTE]
Ye letting go of Nash was a big no-no, and considering the fact that it turned the Suns (one of the biggest opponents of the Mavs) to a powerhouse team makes it even worst.
Qwyjibo
it's actually not a "no trade clause"..it's a rule in the CBA, that George is exercising...
[QUOTE]The Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, but league rules dictate that it's a right George also possesses because he's on a one-year contract (worth $2.4 million) and because Dallas would have Early Bird rights to re-sign him this summer.
If such a player is traded, Bird rights are not traded with him. So league rules compensate for this by requiring George's consent in any trade.[/QUOTE]
espn.com
[QUOTE=Lakers Fan]Wouldn't he agree to this deal if the Nets just agreed to buy him out and Dallas resigns him????:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
as DatZ and others have pointed out, its mostly about his ability to get a bigger contract next year by not losing his bird rights.
Ahh ok. Still then, I don't blame George for looking out for his own interests. I would be doing the same thing. Like he said in that interview, there is still time before the trade deadline for the Mavs and Nets to work something else out.
When you're a scrubby player, money should be your #1 priority.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Ahh ok. Still then, I don't blame George for looking out for his own interests. I would be doing the same thing. Like he said in that interview, there is still time before the trade deadline for the Mavs and Nets to work something else out.
When you're a scrubby player, money should be your #1 priority.[/QUOTE] yep i don't blame george either, he's exercising the very rule that was created to protect him in moments just like this, and save him from having to take a paycut just because a team wants to trade him...
in retrospect it was kinda dumb for the mavs to assume he'd blindly go along with it
he can still be moved but it will probably take a sign and trade to get it done..at which point he loses any attraction to new jersey
Mavs should just tell gump they'll bench his non-cooperating rear end if he doesn't let up. While the Nets should guarantee him PT.
He's doing the Mavs a favor.
You have to admire how DatzNasty respects guys who suck and go 0-11 yet he uses every opportunity possible to insult Dirk.
theres no way the mavs will sign him for 5mil now lol
[QUOTE=jasonterry]You have to admire how DatzNasty respects guys who suck and go 0-11 yet he uses every opportunity possible to insult Dirk.[/QUOTE]
You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds
[QUOTE=boozehound]as DatZ and others have pointed out, its mostly about his ability to get a bigger contract next year by not losing his bird rights.[/QUOTE]
But Dallas isn't going to give him a great contract if he burns them on this deal anyway. Plus he is going to be getting paid on two different contracts this season if the Nets buy him out.
I dont blame D George he has the right to say where he can play, and I wouldnt want to play in the scrub ass East either.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
Ouch
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
theres a sizable difference when you shoot poorly when being tripled teamed and when you miss wide open shots (which Is george). but you're delusional and think everyone on the mavs is good and it is all Dirk's fault.
Nice info Datz.
I think this trade will still go through. DG really wasn't even a legit piece beyond being a 2.3 million expirer.
If it doesn't go through now you have a pissed off young point guard and an angry bench. Although I'm sure Devin understands, that still has to hurt.
Nobody triple teamed Dirk. He got regular defensive attention anybody gets. You can't expect to spin through a crowd or try to back down dribble more than 3 times or drive within an arm's reach of another defender and not expect them to just stick their hand in. Dirk is just a softy who can't manage to shoot upwards of 40% against guys as much as 10 inches shorter than him and can't even move Daniel Gibson, Monta Ellis, or Tony Parker in the post. He got owned by Stephen Jackson that series, just the same as Posey did in the previous series. Maybe when he grows a set and starts to play in the paint, Dallas will win a title.
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After hearing why Devean George did it I don't blame him, it was the right/smart thing to do.
[QUOTE=Lakers Fan]But Dallas isn't going to give him a great contract if he burns them on this deal anyway. Plus he is going to be getting paid on two different contracts this season if the Nets buy him out.[/QUOTE]
What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.
The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are
1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.
2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.
Why would he NOT pick option #2?
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)
Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.[/QUOTE]
what i don't get is, 1st how could he still expects the Mavs to re-sign him after this stunt (S&T or not), 2nd how could he think he's gonna get a pay raise after this season when he barely played.