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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15033221]I can guarantee you that the right would still be going absolutely crazy had Charlie Kirk been assassinated off camera. Same thing if you killed Vance, Elon or Tucker.[/QUOTE]
Those people have fame, Hortman didn't. But it would still be much less impactful without the footage.
And this slaying will be old news in a couple weeks. "Outrage" doesn't last long in this country. Trump's assassination was forgotten pretty quickly, and every school shooting becomes an afterthought within a couple weeks. Until the next one.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
I had seen CK on YouTube shorts lots of times and had seen him occasionally but I didn't realize how influential he was among younger people. They say he was part of the reason Republicans have made gains with the youth. So this just wasn't an attack on the opposition(I'm assuming it was by someone on the left), it was a tactical strike that might have a big impact 5-10 years down the road. Where else are the Republicans going to find a giant 6'6 personality like Charlie Kirk any time soon?
Trump is a much, much more flawed and aggressive human being than Charlie Kirk so it's surprising that it seemed much less people celebrated him getting shot than Charlie Kirk. I don't remember as many people being happy Trump got shot like CK. The level of CK celebration was somewhere between Trump and the UnitedHealthcare CEO I'd say
Gavin Newsome talking about his son's admiration of Charlie Kirk during their interview
[video=youtube_share;Hf-6s_y-Bt4?si]https://youtube.com/shorts/Hf-6s_y-Bt4?si=UpHWESFWn0TVQT5s[/video]
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15033221]I can guarantee you that the right would still be going absolutely crazy had Charlie Kirk been assassinated off camera. Same thing if you killed Vance, Elon or Tucker.[/QUOTE]
well yeah, bc most magas look towards these handful of people for guidance, unlike liberals that are able to think for themselves and don't need to look at any one person for guidance.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15033222]Those people have fame, Hortman didn't.
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Yes that's what I said a few posts back, people on the right really liked Charlie, while Hortman was a relative nobody on the left outside of minny.
The Hortman case has the doorbell footage of the killer in the police outfit and mask which could've more famous, but when the killer himself says the murder isn't political and no one else is really saying otherwise, it dies down by itself.
[QUOTE=crosstin;15033223]I had seen CK on YouTube shorts lots of times and had seen him occasionally but I didn't realize how influential he was among younger people. They say he was part of the reason Republicans have made gains with the youth. So this just wasn't an attack on the opposition(I'm assuming it was by someone on the left), it was a tactical strike that might have a big impact 5-10 years down the road. Where else are the Republicans going to find a giant 6'6 personality like Charlie Kirk any time soon?
Trump is a much, much more flawed and aggressive human being than Charlie Kirk so it's surprising that it seemed much less people celebrated him getting shot than Charlie Kirk. I don't remember as many people being happy Trump got shot like CK. The level of CK celebration was somewhere between Trump and the UnitedHealthcare CEO I'd say
Gavin Newsome talking about his son's admiration of Charlie Kirk during their interview
[video=youtube_share;Hf-6s_y-Bt4?si]https://youtube.com/shorts/Hf-6s_y-Bt4?si=UpHWESFWn0TVQT5s[/video][/QUOTE]
Kirk had potential as a presidential candidate 20 years from now had things somewhat kept going like they were.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
Okay so with NO footage, yes more outrage for Kirk because of his fame. But Hortman gets her head blown off live on TV in front of a crowd? The outrage is there for her.
The Ukrainian on the bus being stabbed was a 100% nobody, and her outrage is there 100% because of the footage.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=highwhey;15033224]well yeah, bc most magas look towards these handful of people for guidance, unlike liberals that are able to think for themselves and don't need to look at any one person for guidance.[/QUOTE]
Are you telling me that millions upon millions of liberals all decided upon themselves, without any guidance or indoctrination, that a man could become pregnant or that a woman could have a c0ck and balls??
If so that would really say a lot about the average liberal. :oldlol:
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
I do not think Kirk had any chance of being anything substantial in politics. Now that he is a political martyr? People will place him way higher on a pedestal than what the reality is. And the reality is that he was in the same vein as Tim Pool, a media personality that throws out extreme opinions and gets attention for those extreme opinions.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
Bawler having another “episode” about trans people
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15033232]I do not think Kirk had any chance of being anything substantial in politics. Now that he is a political martyr? People will place him way higher on a pedestal than what the reality is. And the reality is that he was in the same vein as Tim Pool, a media personality that throws out extreme opinions and gets attention for those extreme opinions.[/QUOTE]
This is half right.
I don't think he had serious potential as a presidential nominee. He was a great organizer, and a good enough communicator, but being president requires a little more experience than that. Personally I would not have ever considered voting for him. Not unless the field was extremely weak.
BUT, he was definitely more influential than Tim Pool. Kirk managed to win over the dude bros and normie chicks, which is a very important demographic. He made right wing politics cool for mainstream America. Everyone I know saw his videos to some degree. I definitely don't think they all know who Tim Pool is. Kirk is up there with Shapiro in terms of influence and importance, and honestly I think he surpassed Shapiro because he's more laid back and relatable.
Very few of Kirk's opinions are extreme, if any. You can take sentences out of context all you want. He was not violent, never preached violence and only ever asked for open and honest debate. This is why I keep saying you weirdos are just redpilling more normies. So many people that had no idea who Kirk was are now watching his videos and seeing he was a normal guy with pretty rational views.
- No men in women's sports or women's bathrooms
- It's okay to love your country.
- There's nothing to be ashamed of if you're white.
- Everyone has a god given right to be able to defend themselves.
These are not extremist opinions. These are all things that democrats from 20 years ago would stand by and applaud.
YOU guys have moved further left. YOU guys have gotten more extreme. When extremism takes hold the normal and rational people in the center become the villain. As Kirk has.
Don't you see which way the wind is blowing? Do you not realize how much ground is being lost on the left? Just a few short years ago you held all the levers of power. You had the presidency, the house, the senate, all the major institutions, social media, Hollywood, you guys were in control of the culture. Fast forward just a few short years and now you're on the extreme defensive. Your party is in shambles and the right is soundly ahead in the culture war. You can keep pretending Kirk was an extremist all you want, but extremists aren't being honored by the NY Yankees or having the NFL hold a moment of silence in his honor. This guy was normie mainstream America. He was only a villain to the extremist fringe.
Eventually you're gonna have to come to grips that you've been wrong about everything.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=Baller234;15033237]This is half right.
I don't think he had serious potential as a presidential nominee. He was a great organizer, and a good enough communicator, but being president requires a little more experience than that. Personally I would not have ever considered voting for him. Not unless the field was extremely weak.
BUT, he was definitely more influential than Tim Pool. Kirk managed to win over the dude bros and normie chicks, which is a very important demographic. He made right wing politics cool for mainstream America. Everyone I know saw his videos to some degree. I definitely don't think they all know who Tim Pool is. Kirk is up there with Shapiro in terms of influence and importance, and honestly I think he surpassed Shapiro because he's more laid back and relatable.
Very few of Kirk's opinions are extreme, if any. You can take sentences out of context all you want. He was not violent, never preached violence and only ever asked for open and honest debate. This is why I keep saying you weirdos are just redpilling more normies. So many people that had no idea who Kirk was are now watching his videos and seeing he was a normal guy with pretty rational views.
- No men in women's sports or women's bathrooms
- It's okay to love your country.
- There's nothing to be ashamed of if you're white.
- Everyone has a god given right to be able to defend themselves.
These are not extremist opinions. These are all things that democrats from 20 years ago would stand by and applaud.
YOU guys have moved further left. YOU guys have gotten more extreme. When extremism takes hold the normal and rational people in the center become the villain. As Kirk has.
Don't you see which way the wind is blowing? Do you not realize how much ground is being lost on the left. Just a few short years ago you held all the levers of power. You had the presidency, the house, the senate, all the major institutions, social media, Hollywood, you guys were in control of the culture. Fast forward just a few short years and now you're on the extreme defensive. Your party is in shambles and the right is soundly ahead in the culture war. You can keep pretending Kirk was an extremist all you want, but extremists aren't being honored by the NY Yankees or having the NFL hold a moment of silence in his honor. This guy was normie mainstream America. He was only a villain to the extremist fringe.
Eventually you're gonna have to come to grips that you've been wrong about everything.[/QUOTE]
this is what a manic episode looks like.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=highwhey;15033238]this is what a manic episode looks like.[/QUOTE]
You may not like my post, but you can't point to where I lied.
As the great Jack Nicholson says in A Few Good Men, [B]you can't handle the truth[/B].
It's only going to get harder for you guys. Hope you buckle up.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15033232]I do not think Kirk had any chance of being anything substantial in politics. Now that he is a political martyr? People will place him way higher on a pedestal than what the reality is. And the reality is that he was in the same vein as Tim Pool, a media personality that throws out extreme opinions and gets attention for those extreme opinions.[/QUOTE]
20 years is a long time from now, and Kirk already was something substantial in politics being the most popular figure on the right with young people. Tim Pool never did or will do any of this:
[QUOTE]Kirk, 31, gained recognition for co-founding and leading Turning Point USA, a conservative non-profit which has reportedly raised tens of millions of dollars to push pro-Trump campaigns across college campuses. The Arizona-based organization, jumpstarted in 2012 by a then 18-year-old Kirk, has grown in fame, particularly since Trump first took office in 2016, at which point the nonprofit latched onto the campaign. Now, Turning Point boasts activity in over 3,500 college and high school campuses in America, according to the youth organization’s website.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://time.com/7096594/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-republican-donald-trump-campaign-figure/"]https://time.com/7096594/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-republican-donald-trump-campaign-figure/[/URL]
Pool isn't described by anyone like this and never will be:
[QUOTE]Charlie Kirk: the Maga millennial who got Trump elected again
He’s credited with delivering the Gen Z vote for Donald Trump. So who is the man behind the Turning Point USA youth movement? Katy Balls meets Charlie Kirk, 31, at a student summit — and finds Russell Brand on the bill[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-times-magazine/article/charlie-kirk-donald-trump-7zvwzfn0b"]https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-times-magazine/article/charlie-kirk-donald-trump-7zvwzfn0b[/URL]
And Tim Pool certainly isn't on the inside of MAGA, giving a speech at Trump's inauguration, travelling with Don Jr to Greenland etc.
[video=youtube_share;--kg0qKl04o]https://youtu.be/--kg0qKl04o[/video]
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
Bawler thinks opposing the civil rights act and stoning gay people to death are normal opinions. Yikes.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
[QUOTE=RRR3;15033244]Bawler thinks opposing the civil rights act and stoning gay people to death are normal opinions. Yikes.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2717970/decarlos-brown-jr.png?w=1200&f=46c17527274d30245722af88772ce118[/IMG]
3tard can't tell you who the villain is in this photo.
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Re: Charlie Kirk shot
you couldn’t even spell the victims name right.