2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

[QUOTE] Shams Charania: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jazz are trading Patrick Beverley to the Lakers for Talen Horton-Tucker,[/URL] sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Los Angeles Lakers are in advanced talks on a trade to acquire Utah Jazz guard Patrick Beverley for Talen Horton-Tucker and Stanley Johnson,[/URL] sources tell ESPN. Deal could be finalized as soon as Thursday.

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I'd expect Conley gone too at minimum

Like 8 deep at guard now. Expecting more to be moved, won't expect Conley or Beasley to be on the team to start the year. Sounds like Butler is on shaky ground too.

[QUOTE=El Kabong;14654246]Like 8 deep at guard now. Expecting more to be moved, won't expect Conley or Beasley to be on the team to start the year. Sounds like Butler is on shaky ground too.[/QUOTE]

Beasley wouldn't be the 1st one I'd look to move at his age unless they think he's a bad influence on the young guys. At least get rid of Clarkson please!

[url]https://kslsports.com/491534/are-jazz-asking-too-much-for-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

[QUOTE]Very rarely do 25-year-old three-time All-Stars hit the trade market, especially when they haven’t publically demanded to be moved. Even more rarely do star players hit the market with three years left on their current contract and no off the court issues to speak of.

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forced his way onto the court against doctors wishes and him not being 100% probably cost them at least one series maybe more. Got that doctor fired from the team. Have fun New York!

[QUOTE]But, with training camp rapidly approaching, and pathways to make a second blockbuster trade narrowing, the Jazz are running out of Mitchell trade options. With teams already pulling their offers, will the Jazz regret setting such a high asking price for Mitchell?

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Ainge knows what he's doing. He got 3 unprotected for Gobert from a team where they likely won't be high picks. I'd say 3 unprotected might get it done with enough other assets to let Danny finally start having some fun again. The Knicks unprotected are the ones to get. I don't see the Knicks being anything special with this trade!

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/qa-jazz-weigh-alternate-futures-as-offseason-enters-crunch-time/[/url]

[QUOTE]Once Gobert was traded, they’ve similarly looked for deals that bring in a player to play at Mitchell’s side, all while keeping an eye on the rebuilding route. The Jazz weren’t going to land Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving, and whatever attempts they did make didn’t bear fruit, so they’re left with a choice: trade Mitchell now or carry him into the season as the team’s only star.

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the problem I see is he won't be a star when they suck

[QUOTE]We know that Ainge, as CEO of Basketball Operations and Alternate Governor, wanted to be more removed from the day-to-day operations, and I think that applies to trade negotiations until they reach a very serious level. I’m sure any deal involving Mitchell – and honestly probably any deal – starts with Ainge’s and Ryan Smith’s parameters and ends with their stamp of approval, but Zanik is the one in the trenches.

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Ainge doesn't want to have to talk to the media. That's why he has the job title he has. He's running this show obviously!

[QUOTE]As for players, I think the club would like two young players, and my assumption is that Quentin Grimes and Obi Toppin are the top two priorities because of their development trajectory and multiple years of contract control. While those two players might be part of Utah’s minimum trade package, I do think they’d consider only one of the players, at least as long as there was sufficient draft compensation.

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don't think he cares that much. Wants picks especially unprotected. Doesn't sound like the Knicks have wanted to give up much and Danny wants as much as he can get

[QUOTE]Options included Johnson, Wenyen Gabriel (if the Lakers guaranteed at least $60,000 of salary prior to the trade), Austin Reaves (ditto), or rookie Max Christie. That doesn’t mean the Jazz didn’t want Johnson – he does help fill a need, after all – but a small amount of additional salary was required for the deal to go through.

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young vet when they dump all the old guys. Might have some value at the trade deadline

[QUOTE]To acquire Mitchell, the Cavaliers would need to send out $24.2 million in salary, plus enough draft picks to make the Jazz happy. Some early speculation assumed a package would revolve around Collin Sexton (via sign-and-trade) and Isaac Okoro, but on Thursday one source claimed the Jazz lacked interest in those players. If that’s the case, the Cavs have several other options that could work, possibly including forward Cedi Osman, in whom the Jazz supposedly have interest.

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Osman over the young guys?

[QUOTE]If the mystery team isn’t Cleveland, I’d lean toward New Orleans, Orlando or Toronto, with Phoenix as a dark horse.

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give me Orlando. Been bad for a long time. Most likely to get raped by Ainge

[QUOTE]The lack of reported interest in Clarkson surprises me. I’m well aware of the 2021 Sixth Man of the Year’s warts, but they come with a boatload of bench scoring. Clarkson looked like the team’s best player for much of the playoffs, yet no significant market has developed.

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I can't imagine anyone wanting him but I seem to be alone in that assessment?

[QUOTE]These questions are similar and fairly simple to answer. If Mitchell stays, the Jazz will likely add a veteran free agent center, and personally I’d look to add one even if Mitchell is traded.

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agree

[QUOTE]When [URL="https://twitter.com/k_clayt/status/1563231834615320578"]results for the final round[/URL] were tallied, Whiteside narrowly edged out Harrell in the unofficial fans’ choice poll. That’s funny, because I don’t think he’s the right kind of presence around a young, rebuilding team, and he didn’t seem eager to return when the season ended in April.

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he's a bum

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/as-with-jazz-lakers-trade-vet-deals-may-precede-the-big-domino/[/url]

[QUOTE]THT and Johnson haven’t been great. But they’re 21 and 26 years old, respectively, and both have wingspans of seven feet or more. Both have problematic shooting numbers and compound the Jazz’s excess of guards. There’s a chance neither guy plays a big role for the Jazz, but the idea here is that they’re trying the type of thing rebuilding teams should try.

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Speaking of wingspans what is advior Lindsey up to these days? Johnson isn't a guard

[QUOTE]Sometimes the big dominos fall first. But that doesn’t have to be the case.

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If Mitchell is on the team you want to give him a chance to compete until the trade deadline anyway

[QUOTE]No, I don’t know who the [URL="https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1561873652357939202?s=20&t=gakJpibk8we7ejyCI0zGTQ"]mystery team[/URL] is, but I am not at all shocked that other teams are poking around — especially with KD off the market. Mitchell is a top-20 player, the market for such a dude is definitely not going to be limited to any one team.

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if he's really top 20 he'll carry the Jazz or Knicks. Hard for me to see though

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/28/jazz-add-sexton-without-losing-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

Sexton makes perfect sense to me if Mitchell is gone but no sense if he's still here

[URL]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/01/utah-jazz-finally-trade-donovan-mitchell/[/URL]

[QUOTE]According to Adrian Wojnarowski, the full deal is for 3 unprotected first round picks, two first round pick swaps, along with Collin Sexton (sign and trade), Ochai Agbaji and Lauri Markannen, giving the Jazz an incredible haul of picks in just one off-season. All 3 of these players in return will likely feature in the starting lineup in 2022, and if Danny Ainge is looking to rebuild the long way, a few of them could even be moved out for more picks at the deadline, but either way, this is a solid return for Mitchell.

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a bit early to say. See what other moves they make but I'd put Agbaji on the Stars until he proves he's better than Beasley, Alexander-Walker and Bolmaro

[QUOTE]It’s tough to say whether the team will now look to move their veterans like Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdanovic and Jordan Clarkson, but at this point, Utah and their fans finally have some confirmation on what the lineup could potentially look like in 2022. It’s not quite the 7 first-round pick haul that Danny Ainge was originally waiting for, and some may see it as a win for the Cavs, but ultimately, both teams got what they wanted.

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obviously they will look to move them. Hopefully they can. The young guys need to play and lose a lot!

[QUOTE]The Jazz now turn their attention to the 2023 draft and beyond, as Danny Ainge looks to rebuild this team around Sexton, Agbaji, Markannen and Talen Horton-Tucker, but with possession of so many future first-round picks, the team has plenty of flexibility going forward.

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You forgot some guys that have actually done something in the league unlike a couple of those guys

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/1/23212944/brian-windhorst-meme-jazz-trade-donovan-mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]Windhorst argued that, this summer, Jazz CEO Danny Ainge essentially had the chance to recreate the past. He could trade away the team’s two biggest stars and enter full [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23211145/utah-jazz-rebuild-mode-donovan-mitchell-trade-report-knicks-heat-nets-ryan-smith-danny-ainge"]rebuild mode[/URL], just as he had with the Boston Celtics after he hired Brad Stevens to coach.

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those guys were old. Much different

Udoka/Kessler
Markkanen/Vanderbilt/Johnson
Fontecchio/Alexander-Walker/Bolmaro/Juzang/
Beasley/Horton-Tucker/Agbaji/Sneed
Sexton/Butler

A veteran center would be nice. I guess Markkanen could end up there?

[QUOTE] StatMuse: Collin Sexton in his last healthy season: — 24.3 PPG — 4.4 APG — 48/37/82% [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]New first option in Utah.[/URL] pic.twitter.com/Lz3Rusn8DP

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2 years younger and only making 18 million not max!!!
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Ben Anderson: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]@Utah Jazz now have each of the last two NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Players in Ochai Ogbaji and Jared Butler who won titles at Kansas and Butler[/URL]. Going to be some BIG-12 trash talk in the Jazz locker room I’d imagine.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: At the start of trade talks in July, [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks,[/URL] sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY.
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[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50468370/a-look-at-whats-next-for-the-jazz-after-trading-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert[/url]
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So Ainge had a few options.

Choose one of Gobert or Mitchell and retool the roster around them.
Trade both and play the lottery odds.

He chose Door No. 2.

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new coach. bigger backcourt, a modern starting 4. Had many options

[QUOTE]2023: Jazz, Timberwolves, worst pick of Rockets/Nets/Sixers

2024: None*

2025: Jazz, Wolves, Cavs
2026: Pick swap with Cavs and Wolves (essentially Utah will get the best pick of the three teams)
2027: Jazz, Wolves, Cavs
2028: Pick swap with Cavs

2029: Jazz, Cavs, Wolves (top 5 protected)

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at least 3 in next year's deep draft! The Favors pick turn into 2 2nds after 2024?

[QUOTE]The Jazz probably aren't done collecting, either. Bojan Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson and Mike Conley will also likely be moved to further usher in the rebuild.

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Gay!

[QUOTE]Betting that Minnesota and Cleveland will be bad isn't the worst idea, considering both have historically struggled to field a consistent winner. Yet, it's not a sure thing any of those picks will even end up being lottery selections.

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doesn't look likely that either will be bad in the near future each with one of the best young players in the league but you never know with unprotected picks. Knicks would have been better

[QUOTE]The Wolves and Cavs have young exciting cores that may keep them in contention all the way through 2029. Cleveland is stacked with three All-Stars (Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen and now Mitchell) and a potential All-NBA center in Evan Mobley. Minnesota, meanwhile, added Rudy Gobert to a team that already had Karl-Anthony Towns and emerging star Anthony Edwards.

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and Russell. The only two big 4's in the league

[QUOTE]Still, it's the NBA and things can change quickly. Who would have thought the Jazz would be blowing their team up with a soon-to-be 26-year-old Mitchell locked up for three more years? Maybe things don't work out as planned in Minnesota with the front-court duo of Towns, and Mitchell might leave Cleveland after his contract expires.

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Garland or Mitchell will have to go eventually. Maybe it can work because of their two bigs. Gobert never had that

[QUOTE]Kessler was one of the best rim protectors the college game has ever seen. He's also got a goofy personality (by his own admission) that should help endear him to Jazz fans.

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or Stars fans anyway

[QUOTE]If the Jazz can land Victor Wembanyama or Scoot Hendersen (the top two prospects for the 2023 draft) and they are as good as billed, then there's a light at the end of the tunnel — almost immediately. Regardless, though, fans are likely looking at multiple seasons of watching a lottery-bound team.

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no one as big as him has stayed healthy and been great. I'd prefer Scoot for that reason

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