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[url]https://kslsports.com/491709/pk-jazz-achieve-off-season-trade-goals-success-is-tbd/[/url]
[QUOTE]For a team that lacked size on the perimeter, the Jazz needed the 6-5 Agabji, who was the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] pick last draft out of Kansas. The rare four-year college player joins Talen Horton-Tucker and Malik Sealy, two 6-8 wing players whom the Jazz acquired during the offseason.[/QUOTE]
Sealy? :lol
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/1/23333579/knicks-fan-stephen-a-smith-is-not-happy-about-the-donovan-mitchell-trade[/url]
The Knicks dodged a bullet if you ask me.
[QUOTE][INDENT]The full haul the Jazz got for Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert:
Malik Beasley
Leandro Bolmaro
Walker Kessler (No.22 pick)
Jarred Vanderbilt
Collin Sexton
Lauri Markkanen
Ochai Agbaji (No.14 pick)
Talen Horton-Tucker
Stanley Johnson
7 1st round picks
3 1st round picks swaps [URL="https://t.co/PVFkvzqYeP"]pic.twitter.com/PVFkvzqYeP[/URL]
— SB Nation (@SBNation) [URL="https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/1565432257560854528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]September 1, 2022[/URL]
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plus a first for O'Neale, a 21 year old and a young vet for Beverley
[QUOTE] NBA guru Adrian Wojnarowski dropped a truth bomb on a recent episode of his podcast. According to Woj, the Knicks were left hanging as the Jazz accepted Cleveland’s offer for Mitchell (h/t Doric Sam of Bleacher Report): “I do think New York expected they would circle back, and they never got another chance with Utah,” Woj said. “Utah did not go back to them on Thursday and say, ‘Hey, we’ve got this offer from Cleveland. Do you want to top it?’ In their mind, when New York walked on Monday, that was it. They had a deal with Cleveland that they just did, agreed to it. [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-woj-drops-truth-bomb-on-new-yorks-botched-donovan-mitchell-trade-pursuit/"]And New York found out after that Mitchell deal was already agreed to, that he was on his way to Cleveland, and Utah was not circling back with New York to give them a chance to top the deal.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-woj-drops-truth-bomb-on-new-yorks-botched-donovan-mitchell-trade-pursuit/"]Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points[/URL]
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good thing for the Knicks. Dolan might have just ****ed them again. They dodged a bullet. Makes a lot more sense for Cavs. They will be good. NY wouldn't have been good
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/02/three-reasons-utah-jazz-won-donovan-mitchell-trade/[/url]
[QUOTE]Suffice it to say, Utah are the clear winner of this trade. The Cavs get their third All-Star, which makes them a major force, but the Jazz are set for the future. With more draft capital than they know what to do with and steps in place to acquire even more young talent, it’s safe to say that the Utah Jazz have won the trade and will be a fun team to watch with a clear path moving forward.
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hard to imagine the Jazz not winning big on this one. Sexton alone has a chance to be at least close to the player Mitchell is at 18 million a year instead of the max Mitchell has. 3 former lottery picks. 3 unprotected picks
[QUOTE]Most rebuilding teams are without any semblance of identity and don’t play fun basketball. The Jazz will manage to have both. For starters, Sexton, Markkanen, Vanderbilt, THT, and Walker Kessler can all be electrifying talents on the court. On top of that, with a loaded draft on the way, Utah could easily find a star to build their roster around. The Jazz wanted six picks for Mitchell and fell short of that, but they still run away with this trade.
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THT and Kessler have done nothing!
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/markkla01.html"]Lauri Markkanen[/URL] had a red-hot first two seasons in Chicago and was one of the league’s brightest stars, being named to the [URL="https://fansided.com/nba/25-under-25/?tab=2021"]top 25 players under 25 in 2018 and ‘19[/URL]. As an oversized wing, he can knock down shots from deep and bang around in the paint on defense, making him a lethal weapon alongside Bojan Bogdanocivh as a catch-and-shoot threat.
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Bojan won't be here! I doubt he plays any wing. Might have to play the 5 more than the 4 with Udoka's ankle and Kessler's youth
[QUOTE]Like any rookie, he will have a bit of a learning curve as he transitions to the NBA, but his Summer League performance suggests he is as ready as a player can be to make the leap.
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we'll see what the roster looks like in a few weeks but right now he's behind a few guys with experience
[QUOTE]Will he be in front of Clarkson or Sexton on the depth chart? Nope. In fact, he may even be behind Malik Beasley and Jared Butler, but by 2024, he will be a solid starting guard on an absolutely loaded team. The Jazz stole Walker Kessler from the Wolves, and they did it again with Agbaji.
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Clarkson! :roll:
yeah they stole Kessler. Only took the 3rd best player in Jazz history at his peak :facepalm
[QUOTE]The Jazz have a solid young core in Sexton, Markkanen, Agbaji, Butler, and the recent acquisitions from the Timberwolves. They are missing a superstar, although reasons stand that [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/23/what-2023-draft-prospects-should-the-utah-jazz-tank-for/"]they’ll find one very, very soon[/URL] and first-year head coach Will Hardy can develop the franchise savior as he sees fit.
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superstars are hard to come by. Ainge has a great track record. Better than anyone the team has ever had but it's still not a perfect science
[QUOTE]The Thunder, Wizards, Pistons, Spurs, and Rockets have all gone through or are going through similar rebuilds, but they went from top-tier teams to middling teams, to cellar dwellers over the span of years. The Jazz were bonafide contenders up until last season, and by 2023 they could have a solid cast and a rookie like Victor Wembanyama or Scoot Henderson to put them over the top.
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careful what you wish for. No one Victor's size had ever stayed healthy and dominated
[QUOTE]Basically, they could start and finish a rebuild before teams with a head start even make the playoffs again.
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they could but probably won't. The last tank didn't last long only because Gobert unexpectedly emerged
[url]https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/donovan-mitchell-trade-makes-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-finals-contenders[/url]
[QUOTE]Donovan Mitchell is an offensive superstar, ranking among the NBA's best since he entered the league. He excelled with Rudy Gobert as a lob partner and defensive anchor, and Mitchell now gets two versions of Gobert to work with in Mobley and Allen.
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That was the biggest problem with the Jazz. They needed their offense to revolve around a 2 man game with Gobert and Mitchell and Mitchell wasn't up to the task. Conley and Gobert had to replace that
[QUOTE]Garland also gives Mitchell something he rarely had in Utah (aside from the stints with the oft-injured Mike Conley): a running-mate capable of shouldering the load on occasion. Cleveland still has promising wing Isaac Okoro and key rotation pieces like Caris LaVert, Kevin Love, and Cedi Osman, so the versatile roster is plenty deep for a playoff run.
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Conley was their 2nd best player two seasons ago
[QUOTE]I'd argue this roster is a better one than Mitchell ever worked with in Utah, and the Jazz were always among NBA Finals favorites in his time with the franchise.
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we'll see. No one on Cleveland is as good as Gobert. Mobley should be in time
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268512/Jazz-Engaged-In-Trade-Talks-For-Veterans-Still-On-Roster[/url]
[QUOTE]Utah has been engaged in trade conversations for the remaining veterans on their roster. The Jazz are talking trades for Bojan Bogdanovic, Mike Conley and Jordan Clarkson. It's also expected that Danny Ainge will gauge the market for Rudy Gay and Malik Beasley as well.
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Beasley can stay for a while assuming they don't see him as a bad influence on their young roster/ Gay needs to go even if it means a buyout stretch provision or whatever. Might have to give up some of your picks. I can't see him playing for the Jazz currently
[url]https://kslsports.com/491772/which-teams-could-trade-for-conley-clarkson-bogdanovic/[/url]
[QUOTE]The Jazz have 17 players on guaranteed contracts, two over the NBA’s maximum for opening night, and must shave at least two more players off their roster before they face the Denver Nuggets to begin the season on October 19.
[/QUOTE]might end up with more than that depending on how many picks and how many young guys they get
[QUOTE]Just as the Suns would look to add Bogdanovic in hopes of pushing them over the top as contenders, the Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, Milwaukee Bucks, and Toronto Raptors could all use a player of his standing.
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Toronto was supposedly after him earlier in the summer
[QUOTE]Like Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson has universal trade value as one of the NBA’s leading sixth men and an instant scoring option off the bench.
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doubt it is universal
[QUOTE]Like Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson has universal trade value as one of the NBA’s leading sixth men and an instant scoring option off the bench.
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every team needs a gunner for their culture!
[QUOTE]After an underwhelming summer, the Miami Heat could also use a player like Clarkson to lift their offense which was middle-of-the-pack last season.
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an inefficient gunner doesn't make your offense better
[QUOTE]Miami’s best pathway to acquire Clarkson would likely revolve around a Duncan Robinson trade, though the Jazz would need significant draft compensation to take on the remaining four years and $70 million left on his deal.
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only if there is no other deal
[QUOTE]The Dallas Mavericks lost Jalen Brunson in the offseason and could use another go-to scorer off the bench. After adding center JaVale McGee, Dallas could build a package around Dwight Powell and third-year guard Josh Green, though they might be unwilling to part with their 2025 first-round pick.
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don't want Powell
[QUOTE]The Mavericks could also look for another backcourt veteran to play alongside Luka Doncic, and could build a package around Davis Bertans, Josh Green, and a future first-round pick.
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don't want Bertans
you forgot Gay
[URL]https://kslsports.com/491763/utah-jazz-draft-pick-asset-tracker/[/URL]
[QUOTE][I]Jazz owe CHA second-round pick (Elijah Hughes)[/I]
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that could be a high 2nd rounder in a deep draft. Danny might finally start having some fun
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[I]Jazz owe OKC first-round pick, protected 1-10 (Derrick Favors)[/I]
[I]Pick is protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 before dissolving [/I]
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that's one to keep an eye on
[QUOTE]Own 2025 second-round pick[/QUOTE]
probably another high 2nd rounder
[QUOTE]Mem 2026 second-round pick, protected 31-42 (Jared Butler)
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probably get that one
[QUOTE][I]Jazz owe IND second-round pick (Rayjon Tucker)[/I]
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ouch!
[QUOTE][I]Jazz owe OKC second-round pick (Miye Oni)[/I]
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ouch!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/2/23333648/grading-the-donovan-mitchell-trade-from-every-angle[/url]
[QUOTE]The Knicks haven’t had a player of Mitchell’s caliber since Carmelo Anthony. I think it’s important to remember what Anthony’s time with the Knicks was like though. They had multiple players who were past their prime, more people probably remember Anthony’s first season more because of Linsanity than they do Anthony, and the Knicks only made the playoffs three times during Anthony’s tenure. They lost twice in the first round and once in the second. That’s the legacy.
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that tells you all you need to know about the Knicks! :roll::roll:
[QUOTE]If the Knicks weren’t really invested in getting Mitchell, I might be willing to give them an OK grade here. But they wanted him and felt like they needed him and then they lost out on him. So the Knicks are getting a D-.
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Knicks dodged a bullet
[QUOTE]Draft assets are not all created equal, and any team that Mitchell was going to be traded to would have a chance of being a very good team for as long as Mitchell was there. So when the Jazz were negotiating with New York, they knew that any picks included in a package would probably not have a chance of being high picks because Mitchell would probably stay with the Knicks for the rest of his career and keep the Knicks just good enough to not be eligible for the lottery.
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still a lottery team to me even with Mitchell
[QUOTE]It can be argued that the players that were available in New York were better than the players that were available from the Cavaliers, but since the Jazz’s main priority was garnering the best asset package, they got exactly what they wanted.
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3 former lottery picks and one of them is basically Mitchell at 60 million less and 2 years younger
[QUOTE]It’s never going to feel like a perfect deal when you trade away a star player, but this feels like it’s about as close as the Jazz were going to get to feeling like they got an ideal return. That’s good enough for a B+.
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it will go down as a heist in time
[QUOTE]When it comes to more specific on-court production, Mitchell adds shot creation along with pick-and-roll acumen that the Cavs were missing. When Garland wasn’t on the court last season, there wasn’t much creation and movement. Now, with Mitchell, the Cavs can almost constantly have an All-Star creator who can knock down a pull-up shot and run a smooth offense.
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pick and roll isn't his thing iso is
[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/3-trades-sixers-offer-jazz-204827601.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Considering the lack of offensive development from Thybulle and the downward turn Korkmaz has taken recently, the Sixers could inquire about Beasley. The 6-year veteran out of Florida State averaged 15.1 points and shot 38.9% from deep for the Minnesota Timberwolves and he would be a big help to the team’s bench unit. Losing Niang would hurt, but it would show faith in Paul Reed to give him a shot as the primary backup big man.
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don't want Niang. Prefer Beasley unless there are picks coming too
[QUOTE]Gay is toward the end of his career 16 seasons in, but he can still be an asset to the bench unit. Korkmaz’s lack of production in the 2021-22 season is something to really examine and even with Gay’s declining production, he at least can get to the basket and make plays for himself and others.
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that one I'd do
[QUOTE]Clarkson, the 2021 6th Man of the Year, would be a big addition to the Sixers if they could make the move for him. He’s averaged 16.8 points in 189 games for the Jazz with only four starts so he understands what it takes to get into a groove quickly off the bench. The only real holdup here would be if the Jazz demand a first-round pick, which is a high possibility. Philadelphia cannot trade a first-round pick until 2029 and Utah won’t settle for that in this rebuild.
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Springer not yet 20. Do that one all day long! Just please get rid of the bum!
Chris Fedor: The Cavs believed that their offer was going to be tough. That the best offer that they were willing to give to the Utah Jazz could have been beaten and maybe even should have been beaten by the Knicks or another team. The Knicks were always the most likely landing spot for Donovan Mitchell because they have a horde of draft picks. [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]So when the Cavaliers and Jazz had conversations around summer league about two months ago, that’s when they first had the conversations. The cows left those conversations saying, yeah, probably not happening. Those weren’t very productive. They want way too much for somebody like Donovan Mitchell, and we just can’t do it[/URL].
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Chris Fedor: Okay, that was about two months ago. But as you know, things change in the NBA. And behind all of this, I think it needs to be pointed out that president of basketball operations Koby Altman, and Utah Jazz General Manager Justin Zanick are close. [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]They have a personal relationship, and they have a working relationship. And both of them are good. In fact, I would say, of all the executives around the NBA, the guy that Koby may be closest to on a personal level is Justin Zanick[/URL].
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Chris Fedor: And on top of that, you know, both teams have completed multiple trades since Koby came in charge and since Justin Zanuck was making decisions for the Jazz, so I think that helped with negotiations and keeping everybody in the loop and trying to keep these conversations as private as possible, and not throwing lottery marketing’s name out in the media and Collin Sexton’s name and all that kind of stuff. [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]So, you know, as the offseason progress, about two weeks ago, the Cavs finally had a feeling of, hey, we might be in this thing. We might have the pieces that Utah actually wants[/URL].
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Chris Fedor: And New York may not be real about what they’re going to give to the debt. They might not give the Jazz everything that they could and everything that the Jazz want. So that was about like two weeks ago or so the Cavs thought, hey, there is a path to this thing. And then talks broke down again. So, or at least real talks about something actually transpiring broke down again. And then as you got into late last week, an early this week, and the Knicks continued to hem and haw, the next being the team that everybody thought was going to make the best offer to the Jazz. They wanted to keep certain pieces out of the deal. [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]And then they agreed to the contract extension with RJ Barrett, like that changed the landscape a little bit. And Koby Altman reached back out to Justin Zanick. I believe it was Tuesday morning, and said, ‘Hey, is there something that we can do here? Like what is it that you would need from us in order for this to get done? ‘[/URL]
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Chris Fedor: And obviously the Cavaliers said, if you want Jarrett Allen, if you want to Darius Garland, if you want Evan Mobley, that is a nonstarter. That is not happening. But we will give you future draft capital. And we know that you want future draft capital. So then, you know, about 48 hours later, the Jazz said, ‘Hey, we like the package that you are offering us of all of the things that have been offered to [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]us. We like what you have to offer us the best a combination of young talented pieces, with Ambaji, with Sexton, and the draft capital that you’re willing to give up with unprotected pits.’ So in part, because the Knicks took the approach that they took the Cavs were able to swoop in there, and they were able to give the Jazz ultimately what they thought was the best offer out there[/URL].
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/how-donovan-mitchell-landed-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/id1339173433?i=1000578191457"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Jake Fischer: [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inside-the-cavaliers-shocking-donovan-mitchell-trade/id1618992995?i=1000578194689"]But when he talked to Cavs personnel, and when you have talked to them over the last 12 months or so, especially as they’ve kind of taken this next step towards contention and a post-LeBron era. For a team like Cleveland to build a contender with star power and multiple All-Stars — it’s hard to do that in free agency, right?[/URL]
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inside-the-cavaliers-shocking-donovan-mitchell-trade/id1618992995?i=1000578194689"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Jake Fischer: [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inside-the-cavaliers-shocking-donovan-mitchell-trade/id1618992995?i=1000578194689"]So Collin Sexton clearly wanted to get paid, there was a big gap. We talked about this with Chris Fedor here a couple of weeks back that, ironically, being that he ends up going to the Jazz that Jordan Clarkson’s contract that takes up the $13 mil dollar number that Cleveland was comfortable with. Sexton wanted $20 million. We talked about the Jazz’s interest in Collin Sexton most recently t when we had Michael Scotto on a few weeks ago.[/URL] But I mean, Kobe Altman’s front office did the damn thing.
– via [URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inside-the-cavaliers-shocking-donovan-mitchell-trade/id1618992995?i=1000578194689"]Apple Podcasts[/URL]
Sounds to me like the best offer was early on before they signed Mitchell Robinson to his extension. Robinson, Barrett and at least 3 unprotected. The Knicks picks will likely be better even if it was just two unprotected. Than The Knicks didn't seem to want to give up anything. They played it right. Mitchell doesn't do that much for them especially after signing Brunson. For the Cavs it makes more sense. The GM's being buds probably made it easy to get Sexton's deal done. The Jazz knew exactly what he wanted already.
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/3/23334071/nba-2023-prospects-utah-jazz-tanking[/url]
[QUOTE]Though just 6 feet, 2 inches, the guard has an incredible frame to develop into and seems everything that he does seems to be right on the edge of becoming better and greater every time he takes the floor. He still needs to work on his shooting, but as a creator he is ready for the NBA now.
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he's the guy I guess. The French kid is just too damn big!
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/03/ochai-agbaji-best-part-mitchell-trade/[/url]
[QUOTE]He is projected to be a [URL="https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ochai-agbaji/"]Desmond Bane clone[/URL], using his strength and size to guard a variety of positions while raining down threes. He could transition to be a guard and wing, like Kaly Thompson or Danny Green. If he starts playing elite defense, he could become a Kawhi Leonard type of player, who [URL="https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/five-things-to-know-about-utah-jazz-head-coach-will-hardy"]new coach Will Hardy[/URL] helped develop.
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Klay and Kawai. Already got the guy in the HOF and he hasn't even stepped on the floor!