2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/03/utah-jazz-take-best-offer-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

[QUOTE][INDENT]At the start of trade talks in July, New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY. [URL]https://t.co/3eDg2Mf7f1[/URL]

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1565505224986566657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]September 2, 2022[/URL]
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that was the one to take. Got greedy

[QUOTE]The Jazz got two decent players and a promising rookie, although RJ Barrett is clearly the best player offered. Obi Toppin has been fairly disappointing, although Mitchell Robinson has been a solid backup center. Plus, three picks is exactly what the Jazz got in the real deal.

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3 unprotected from a team that probably won't be good was the best players

[URL]http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=257bulqq[/URL]

Westbrook for Conley/Bojan and Mr. Brick. Is the two unprotected enough? Need some 2nds? Pick Swaps? Cash?

[URL]http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2m2rnudp[/URL]

Include Gay and receive 3 younger guys and get a 10 million dollar trade exception and increase the Lakers luxury tax by a ton!

[INDENT]Bojan for Trent or OG would be cool too[/INDENT]

Bobby Marks: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Collin Sexton contract in Utah starts at $16.5M and increases 5% in each season. The last year is $18.975M[/URL]. $70.95M fully guaranteed and can increase to $72.95M. Sexton has $500K in unlikely bonuses per season.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42"]Twitter BobbyMarks42[/URL]

[URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]Bojan Bogdanovic is in a reflective mood. Understandably so. Croatia’s tower of strength declares that FIBA EuroBasket 2022 will be the end of the line for his international career.[/URL] Not an irrevocable call, of course. Always time for a change of heart, albeit he is now 33 old and it’s been a dozen summers since he made his debut as a fledgling star at FIBA Basketball World Cup 2010, in Turkey.

– via [URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]FIBA[/URL]





Legacy, for the Utah Jazz guard, has acquired an importance. [URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]“I would like to leave something behind me,” he reveals. “So this EuroBasket is a perfect chance for me and my teammates to do something special.[/URL] It’s going to be pretty hard. I’m trying to help my young teammates to grow pretty quickly – and to make an impact on the game, right here, at this tournament.”
– via [URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]FIBA[/URL]






“We all know who Toni and Drazen are. We have talked here about how Dirk Nowitzki is one of the best European players Drazen is there as well. “So just trying to fit in their shoes with all medals that they won is really pretty tough for us. But [URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]we have got a really good young generation that is coming right now with (Ivica) Zubac, (Dario) Saric and a couple other young guys. So I hope they’re going to do something special as well.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/passing-on-the-torch-bogdanovic-looks-to-croatia-s-young-guns-to-light-up"]FIBA[/URL]

JD Shaw: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Blazers have waived center Norvel Pelle[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JShawNBA"]Twitter JShawNBA[/URL]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/revisiting-implications-derrick-favors-trade-110212338.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Meanwhile, the dust is still settling from the Jazz’s demolition. Utah hasn’t one cornerstone in place. OKC might already have three, depending how you view Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Giddey and Holmgren.

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maybe they do have their cornerstone? Who knows. No one was talking about Gobert in 2013-14

[QUOTE][URL="https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2021/09/29/okc-thunder-derrick-favors-brings-veteran-leadership-after-jazz-trade/5893801001/"]Which brings us back to that Favors trade[/URL] from Utah to Oklahoma City. Favors, by the way, is still on the Thunder’s roster. He’s due $10.2 million this season on an expiring contract.

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be gone by the deadline

[QUOTE]The pick Utah sent to OKC in the Favors’ trade is top-10 protected in 2024. If Utah’s pick falls from No. 11 to No. 30, it conveys to Oklahoma City.

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very unlikely
[QUOTE]If the pick doesn't convey to the Thunder in 2024, it moves back to 2025 with the same top-10 protections. Who knows where the league will be by then, but there’s a chance the Jazz will still be amid its rebuild.

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no reason to think they won't suck still

[QUOTE]Odds are the Jazz pick will convey to the Thunder in one of those three years, but the trades of Gobert and Mitchell have certainly dampened OKC’s odds.

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optimistic. They will suck for quite a while likely

Hungary plays a great first half and tries to come back in the last minutes of the game in Cologne, but [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1385980/france-hungary-eurobasket-comeback/"]France first pushes in the third quarter (25-14) and then keeps its nerves steady, winning 78-74 thanks to a great display by Rudy Gobert: 15 points and 9 rebounds, with 6/9 from the field[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1385980/france-hungary-eurobasket-comeback/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]




The new Minnesota Timberwolves player had his best EuroBasket 2022 performance so far, leading his team to the final victory. [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1385980/france-hungary-eurobasket-comeback/"]He was joined by Evan Fournier (12 p., 5 a.) and by the other two French bigs, Vincent Poirier (10 p., 5 r.) and Guerschon Yabusele (17 p., 6/8 FG, 4/4 FT)[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1385980/france-hungary-eurobasket-comeback/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14656764]Sounds to me like the best offer was early on before they signed Mitchell Robinson to his extension. Robinson, Barrett and at least 3 unprotected. The Knicks picks will likely be better even if it was just two unprotected. Than The Knicks didn't seem to want to give up anything. They played it right. Mitchell doesn't do that much for them especially after signing Brunson. For the Cavs it makes more sense. The GM's being buds probably made it easy to get Sexton's deal done. The Jazz knew exactly what he wanted already.[/QUOTE]

Tony Jones for The Athletic said the offers were basically slowly getting worse, with the last offer the Knicks made making them go straight to the Cavs to start a deal. Basically the Knicks thought they were the only ones who could get a deal done, so it'd get close and then the Knicks would take something out hoping to get the Jazz to buckle. Jazz always said they have other offers and Knicks didn't believe them, so felt safe playing chicken.

[QUOTE=El Kabong;14657248]Tony Jones for The Athletic said the offers were basically slowly getting worse, with the last offer the Knicks made making them go straight to the Cavs to start a deal. Basically the Knicks thought they were the only ones who could get a deal done, so it'd get close and then the Knicks would take something out hoping to get the Jazz to buckle. Jazz always said they have other offers and Knicks didn't believe them, so felt safe playing chicken.[/QUOTE]

yeah sounds like they weren't happy dealing with the Knicks from the moment they came to the playoff game

[QUOTE] Apparently, though, the Knicks’ failed trade pursuit could have had nothing to do with their offer but rather more on the Jazz’s stance about where to move Mitchell. [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-knicks-collateral-damage-in-utahs-alleged-payback-against-donovan-mitchell/"]According to Ric Bucher of Fox Sports, some Utah officials were not happy that the All-Star guard wanted out, so they sent him to the Cavs in what they view as a “payback” instead of helping him fulfill a dream of playing for his hometown team in New York[/URL].

– via [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-knicks-collateral-damage-in-utahs-alleged-payback-against-donovan-mitchell/"]Angelo Guinhawa @ Clutch Points[/URL]


[/QUOTE] [h=3]so would they have kept Gobert if Mitchell didn't want out?[/h] [QUOTE] “I think he has a bright future,” Gobert told Eurohoops when asked about the Mitchell trade. [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1385771/rudy-gobert-great-opportunity-for-mitchell-time-will-tell-if-jazz-were-right-with-rebuilding/"]“He’s one of the best young players in his position. He’s going to keep getting better. I think it’s a great opportunity for him to just get to a new system, a new team and be able to show what he can do.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1385771/rudy-gobert-great-opportunity-for-mitchell-time-will-tell-if-jazz-were-right-with-rebuilding/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]






The Jazz didn’t stop there and, on September 1st, the Mitchell trade was announced. Utah got back Lauri Markkanen, plus Collin Sexton, Ochai Agbaji and three Draft picks. “That’s what Danny Ainge decided to do,” Gobert said to Eurohoops. “Sometimes you always have to explore all different options. That’s what they did. Time will tell if it was good or not. [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1385771/rudy-gobert-great-opportunity-for-mitchell-time-will-tell-if-jazz-were-right-with-rebuilding/"]I think he definitely did a great job in getting as many assets as possible. ”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1385771/rudy-gobert-great-opportunity-for-mitchell-time-will-tell-if-jazz-were-right-with-rebuilding/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]

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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/4/23334413/an-ode-to-donovan-mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]When I was critical of Mitchell, I did not pull punches. I wrote and talked publicly about how his defense needed to improve, about his sometimes poor shot selection and about his need to play within a game rather than trying to rise above a game. Mitchell is not a perfect basketball player. But I never thought that Mitchell lacked effort.

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he certainly lacked effort on the defensive side. No one you can sweep that under the rug. Pathetic!

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/29/23283665/2022-utah-jazz-training-camp-roster-nba-free-agency-trade[/url]

17 guaranteed with hopefully at least 4 guys still on there way somewhere else

[QUOTE]Xavier Sneed (qualifying offer)[/QUOTE]

Can't see him being more than just a camp body/Star but we'll see

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/03/grading-the-donovan-mitchell-trade-for-the-utah-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]Ultimately, this was a deal the Jazz had to make, and the return was more than solid, and even if none of the players in return end up being at the level of Donovan Mitchell, the sheer volume of assets can help them trade for a star in the future, or gives them plenty of extra shots to draft a star. Was this a perfect trade? By all means, no. But was this a trade that the Jazz needed to make so they could move on with the future of the franchise and begin building for the next successful era in Utah basketball? Yes.

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Sexton is already close to Mitchell and two years younger and 60 million in savings! The lottery pick this year has better size. Shot better. Has to play more D. I'd be surprised if they don't end up with multiple players comparable to Mitchell. Will there be another Gobert is the question? Much tougher to find the franchise player