Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=Niquesports]Dont get me wrong I love Ray Ray or should we call him Jesus but since when was he elite and how many ALL NBA First teams has he made?[/QUOTE]
HE's been elite since 2000 ... and none, but look at his guard competition. Kobe, AI, McGrady, Kidd, Nash, (GP in his early years) and now Wade, CP3 in recent years.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]HE's been elite since 2000 ... and none, but look at his guard competition. Kobe, AI, McGrady, Kidd, Nash, (GP in his early years) and now Wade, CP3 in recent years.[/QUOTE]
SO thats my point the elite players make first team. He was and still is a very good player but elite no.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=Niquesports]SO thats my point the elite players make first team. He was and still is a very good player but elite no.[/QUOTE]
He was elite, just because you don't make the first team doesn't mean you're elite? Allen is one of the great guards of this decade. He's above those other very good guards of the decade that include; Eddie Jones, Allan Houston, Michael Finley, Baron Davis, Stephon Marbury, Joe Johnson, ect. Now which group does Ray belong too, the list above or Kobe, AI, Nash, Mac, VC, Kidd, D-Wade, ect.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He was elite, just because you don't make the first team doesn't mean you're elite? Allen is one of the great guards of this decade. He's above those other very good guards of the decade that include; Eddie Jones, Allan Houston, Michael Finley, Baron Davis, Stephon Marbury, Joe Johnson, ect. Now which group does Ray belong too, the list above or Kobe, AI, Nash, Mac, Kidd, D-Wade, ect.[/QUOTE]
He's right inbetween those with guys like Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]He's right inbetween those with guys like Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142060"]Mitch Richmond -vs- Ray Allen: Who U Got? [/URL]
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He was elite, just because you don't make the first team doesn't mean you're elite? Allen is one of the great guards of this decade. He's above those other very good guards of the decade that include; Eddie Jones, Allan Houston, Michael Finley, Baron Davis, Stephon Marbury, Joe Johnson, ect. Now which group does Ray belong too, the list above or Kobe, AI, Nash, Mac, VC, Kidd, D-Wade, ect.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we define Elite differently if he's not a First or at the least second team All NBA he isnt Elite I would put Ray with the the mid level players guys like Gus Williams Sidney Moncrife just a step below Elite
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142060"]Mitch Richmond -vs- Ray Allen: Who U Got? [/URL][/QUOTE]
Close call but I gotta go with Mitch
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=Niquesports]Maybe we define Elite differently if he's not a First or at the least second team All NBA he isnt Elite I would put Ray with the the mid level players guys like Gus Williams Sidney Moncrife just a step below Elite[/QUOTE]
Ray Allen has made a second team appearance, so that makes him elite. As for Moncrief, he's higher than Ray Ray. Moncrief has made the first team once and second team 4 times. Gus Williams is below both.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
G.O.A.T., I don't think you were here when we did this.
[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57766"]The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH[/URL]