[QUOTE=dunksby]If a movie is genuinely good, it stays good[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dunksby]If a movie is genuinely good, it stays good[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Ever watched Stormy Weather?[/QUOTE]
Black movie?
I'd say Casablanca is only slightly overrated. I'd say it's a borderline top 100 film.
[QUOTE=JustinJDW]I've never seen "Gone with the Wind", but Jesus Christ, is that flick really four hours? What the hell? Am I supposed to dedicated a whole day to watching that? Psh.[/QUOTE]
i felt the same way but that movie was really good man. check it out. a lot of history was made and the special effects for that time was impressive. the scenes where everything was getting burned down due to sherman's march to the sea was visually captivating.
i really love that movie.
[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32]Casablanca and Citizen Kane are the two most overrated movies ever.[/QUOTE]
But still two of the greatest movies ever. I've always loved Casablanca, but I was disappointed by my first viewing of Citizen Kane, I was expected to be overwhelmed because it was GREAT ART, and I reacted to that. For me that's a movie that gets better upon second viewing. Vertigo is one those for me too. One of the issues is that the culture has absorbed all the things that made Citizen Kane so startling and so fresh. I love Citizen Kane now. The storytelling is fantastic, the cinematography is amazing. It's hard now to recreate what is was to watch that movie in its original context.
It was a movie that when it came out blew people's minds. The great cinematographer, Laszlo Kovacs who shot Easy Rider and Ghostbusters among others talked about watching Citizen Kane in 1945. He said it was like watching a miracle happen and that it changed his visual vocabulary overnight.
Casablanca is one of the all-time great romances and it's a romance that doesn't feel fake or soft. How many lines from that movie are quotable? I kinda feel sorry for folks that don't get it.
Bill Cosby talks about how when he first viewed the Marx Brothers he didn't think they were funny. Then he realized it's because he had been watching comedians for 40 years imitate their style.
Damn wrong thread :P
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]But still two of the greatest movies ever. I've always loved Casablanca, but I was disappointed by my first viewing of Citizen Kane, I was expected to be overwhelmed because it was GREAT ART, and I reacted to that. For me that's a movie that gets better upon second viewing. Vertigo is one those for me too. One of the issues is that the culture has absorbed all the things that made Citizen Kane so startling and so fresh. I love Citizen Kane now. The storytelling is fantastic, the cinematography is amazing. It's hard now to recreate what is was to watch that movie in its original context.
It was a movie that when it came out blew people's minds. The great cinematographer, Laszlo Kovacs who shot Easy Rider and Ghostbusters among others talked about watching Citizen Kane in 1945. He said it was like watching a miracle happen and that it changed his visual vocabulary overnight.
Casablanca is one of the all-time great romances and it's a romance that doesn't feel fake or soft. How many lines from that movie are quotable? I kinda feel sorry for folks that don't get it.
Bill Cosby talks about how when he first viewed the Marx Brothers he didn't think they were funny. Then he realized it's because he had been watching comedians for 40 years imitate their style.[/QUOTE]
Without context, Citizen Kane would be a really good movie. Top 100 of all time still easily. With context, I have no problem with people saying it's the GOAT. Using context, I imagine it's one of a very short list of movies where people of that period (not the period when CK was made specifically, but any period) must have been thinking they were watching something from of the future.
Now I don't think the average person from that time appreciated it as many do today (it was somewhat of a failure when it was released), but people in the industry must have been in awe.
Anyone who has watched many movies of that era, then watched that for the first time will agree. There is no modern movie that has had the same effect. All the new technology today (seen in Avatar and such) has been expected for a while. It may be amazing, but not something beyond its time. Citizen Kane was just that, beyond its time.
[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]Are you fu[color=black]cking[/color] retarded?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Yes :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
you both think that if The Hustler came out today as it is now that it would win an Oscar?
and you are calling ME retarded???
in all seriousness you both are completely delusional...you are stuck in "good old day syndrome" where you pretend everything from the past is better
I am sure you think every bit of music made pre 1960 would win Grammys???..."Let's Do the Twist" would dominate the club scene right???
FCK YOU lol
stop being stubborn and slap yourselves...it's just silly thinking
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]you both think that if The Hustler came out today as it is now that it would win an Oscar?
and you are calling ME retarded???
in all seriousness you both are completely delusional...you are stuck in "good old day syndrome" where you pretend everything from the past is better
I am sure you think every bit of music made pre 1960 would win Grammys???..."Let's Do the Twist" would dominate the club scene right???
FCK YOU lol
stop being stubborn and slap yourselves...it's just silly thinking[/QUOTE]
Not saying everything from the past is better, but I will say there are many movies from before the 70's that are imo clearly better than movies made today that are held in high esteem.
Some people are drawn to special effects and such more than others.
[QUOTE=Dolphin]Not saying everything from the past is better, but I will say there are many movies from before the 70's that are imo clearly better than movies made today that are held in high esteem.
Some people are drawn to special effects and such more than others.[/QUOTE]
obviously [I]"some"[/I] movies from the old days are better...but the vast majority are not
much more has advanced than special effects...even acting has advanced
in The Hustler, Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason didn't do anything close to what Oscar winning actors are doing today...
the dialoge is stiff and unnatural...directing has advanced since...
I don't even know of a single aspect of that movie that hasn't been improved upon over time.
most of the classics are "classics" because they were ground breaking [I]"FOR THE TIME"[/I]
not because they would still be amazing films in modern cinema
I had to watch Citzen Kane a dozen times in art school...it would be a complete after thought if released today IMO...the only way you can really appreciate it is by taking into account WHEN it was made.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]in all seriousness you both are completely delusional...you are stuck in "good old day syndrome" where you pretend everything from the past is better[/quote]
You have "newer syndrome" where you pretend everything newer is better.
[QUOTE=Jackass18]You have "newer syndrome" where you pretend everything newer is better.[/QUOTE]
not "everything"...but most things
in general I 100% beleive art progresses for the better...for sure
if we saw a "shitty movie" from the year 2050 we would be blown away completely
just like a "shitty movie" today would be completely ground breaking in 1940
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]not "everything"...but most things
in general I 100% beleive art progresses for the better...for sure
if we saw a "shitty movie" from the year 2050 we would be blown away completely
just like a "shitty movie" today would be completely ground breaking in 1940[/QUOTE]
The techincal aspects of movies is unquestionably better today but the qualities that people consider the artistic side of movies can be argued either way. A lot of movies feel dated because the audience changes their tastes/preferences.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-][B]you both think that if The Hustler came out today as it is now that it would win an Oscar?
and you are calling ME retarded???
[/B]
in all seriousness you both are completely delusional...you are stuck in "good old day syndrome" where you pretend everything from the past is better
I am sure you think every bit of music made pre 1960 would win Grammys???..."Let's Do the Twist" would dominate the club scene right???
FCK YOU lol
stop being stubborn and slap yourselves...it's just silly thinking[/QUOTE]
You are so dense it's HILARIOUS :oldlol:
Stay gold primetime, stay gold :cheers: