shaq is one of the top 5 best basketball players ever. did he have one of the 5 best careers ever? maybe not.
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shaq is one of the top 5 best basketball players ever. did he have one of the 5 best careers ever? maybe not.
[QUOTE=Anti404]You do realize that just because you write or think something doesn't make it fact, right?
After reading a lot of your posts, I think you believe exactly that.[/QUOTE]
Give me a reason why you'd rate Shaq above any of those franchise players I listed.
[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]he's definitely a top 5 center.
probably top 10 player all-time. in my mind, he's remarkable lack of professionalism knocks him down the all-time list.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Shaq is more than likely to be a Top 5 Center of all time but top 5 players? I'm not sure though.
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]I'd rank those players above Shaq:
1. Michael Jordan: The goat.
2. Wilt Chamberlain: The best NBA player in NBA franchise history before MJ showed up.
3. Magic Johnson: Best PG of all time.
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: The only Center who could ever challenge Wilt.
5. Larry Bird: Best SF of all time for sure.
6. Bill Russell: The one who won the most rings.
7. Oscar Robertson: Mr Triple-Double.
8. Jerry West: Second Best SG of all time and don't forget his figure is still on NBA's logo.
Therefore, I'd say Shaq is an elite top 10 NBA player of all time but he's not so close to the spot of Top 5 as some of you guys claimed before.[/QUOTE]
[B]Jerry West [/B]- Please. OMG, hes on the NBA logo, who gives a damn?
[B]Oscar Robertson [/B]- Stats. What else has he got? You can't rate him better because of one triple double season he's had. What else does he have over Shaq? MVP's? Championships? Finals MVP's?
[B]Bill Russell[/B]- You have to play both sides of the floor to be considered truely great.
[B]Larry Bird [/B]- Sure Larry impacted the game more then Shaq, but does he have more accomplishments? No.
[B]Wilt[/B] - Have you seen him play? No, you've heard about his stats and simply agree with everyone to sound knowledgeable. If he was as dominant as people claim, he would have won more championships, and he would have won them when he was in his prime, not run down and playing with stars.
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets][B]Give me a reason why you'd rate Shaq above any of those franchise players I listed.[/B]
Agreed. Shaq is more than likely to be a Top 5 Center of all time but top 5 players? I'm not sure though.[/QUOTE]
Reasons below kid.
Give me a reason as to why the 5 players I have bolded should be rated above Shaq? I've given you mine as to why Shaq should be above them.
[QUOTE=plowking][B]Jerry West [/B]- Please. OMG, hes on the NBA logo, who gives a damn?
[B]Oscar Robertson [/B]- Stats. What else has he got? You can't rate him better because of one triple double season he's had. What else does he have over Shaq? MVP's? Championships? Finals MVP's?
[B]Bill Russell[/B]- You have to play both sides of the floor to be considered truely great.
[B]Larry Bird [/B]- Sure Larry impacted the game more then Shaq, but does he have more accomplishments? No.
[B]Wilt[/B] - Have you seen him play? No, you've heard about his stats and simply agree with everyone to sound knowledgeable. If he was as dominant as people claim, he would have won more championships, and he would have won them when he was in his prime, not run down and playing with stars.[/QUOTE]
[B]Jerry West[/B]: The only Final MVP who wasn't not on a winning team.
[B]Oscar Robertson[/B]: Even MJ wouldn't lead that Royals team to an NBA title.
[B]Bill Russell[/B]: More and more people claimed that he's overrated since they're under 16.
[B]Larry Bird[/B]: The first time when I see someone bashing on this great player, nice try.
[B]Wilt[/B]: I didn't watch most of the games he played, but I did saw the game when a declining Wilt dominated a prime Kareem.
[QUOTE=plowking][B]Jerry West [/B]- Please. OMG, hes on the NBA logo, who gives a damn?
[B]Oscar Robertson [/B]- Stats. What else has he got? You can't rate him better because of one triple double season he's had. What else does he have over Shaq? MVP's? Championships? Finals MVP's?
[B]Bill Russell[/B]- You have to play both sides of the floor to be considered truely great.
[B]Larry Bird [/B]- Sure Larry impacted the game more then Shaq, but does he have more accomplishments? No.
[B]Wilt[/B] - Have you seen him play? No, you've heard about his stats and simply agree with everyone to sound knowledgeable. If he was as dominant as people claim, he would have won more championships, and he would have won them when he was in his prime, not run down and playing with stars.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on not ranking West and Oscar above Shaq (I don't), but Bird certainly does have more accomplishments than Shaq. He has 3 straight MVP's, many more top 3 finishes in MVP voting, a similar number of all-NBA teams, and an equal number of titles. Shaq's one extra Finals MVP doesn't make up for that, especially considering that Bird was outright robbed for Finals MVP in 1981.
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]I'd rank those players above Shaq:
1. Michael Jordan: The goat.
2. Wilt Chamberlain: The best NBA player in NBA franchise history before MJ showed up.
3. Magic Johnson: Best PG of all time.
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: The only Center who could ever challenge Wilt.
5. Larry Bird: Best SF of all time for sure.
6. Bill Russell: The one who won the most rings.
7. Oscar Robertson: Mr Triple-Double.
8. Jerry West: Second Best SG of all time and don't forget his figure is still on NBA's logo.
Therefore, I'd say Shaq is an elite top 10 NBA player of all time but he's not so close to the spot of Top 5 as some of you guys claimed before.[/QUOTE]
explain me please how Bill Russell, Jerry West and Oscar Robertson are better than Shaquille O'Neal?
[QUOTE=plowking][B]Jerry West [/B]- Please. OMG, hes on the NBA logo, who gives a damn?
[B]Oscar Robertson [/B]- Stats. What else has he got? You can't rate him better because of one triple double season he's had. What else does he have over Shaq? MVP's? Championships? Finals MVP's?
[B]Bill Russell[/B]- You have to play both sides of the floor to be considered truely great.
[B]Larry Bird [/B]- Sure Larry impacted the game more then Shaq, but does he have more accomplishments? No.
[B]Wilt[/B] - Have you seen him play? No, you've heard about his stats and simply agree with everyone to sound knowledgeable. If he was as dominant as people claim, he would have won more championships, and he would have won them when he was in his prime, not run down and playing with stars.[/QUOTE]
dont even say that about Larry Bird. Larry Bird is the second greatest player of all time behind Michael Jordan!
[QUOTE=Loki]Agreed on not ranking West and Oscar above Shaq (I don't), but Bird certainly does have more accomplishments than Shaq. He has 3 straight MVP's, many more top 3 finishes in MVP voting, a similar number of all-NBA teams, and an equal number of titles. Shaq's one extra Finals MVP doesn't make up for that, especially considering that Bird was outright robbed for Finals MVP in 1981.[/QUOTE]
Shaq has 4 titles, 1 more then Larry. Seeing as how you said Larry was robbed of the Finals MVP in 1981, don't you think Shaq was robbed a few times of the regular season MVP?
[QUOTE=plowking]Shaq has 4 titles, 1 more then Larry. Seeing as how you said Larry was robbed of the Finals MVP in 1981, don't you think Shaq was robbed a few times of the regular season MVP?[/QUOTE]
Horry has 7 titles, one more than Jordan...
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets][B]Jerry West[/B]: The only Final MVP who wasn't not on a winning team.
[B]Oscar Robertson[/B]: Even MJ wouldn't lead that Royals team to an NBA title.
[B]Bill Russell[/B]: More and more people claimed that he's overrated since they're under 16.
[B]Larry Bird[/B]: The first time when I see someone bashing on this great player, nice try.
[B]Wilt[/B]: I didn't watch most of the games he played, but I did saw the game when a declining Wilt dominated a prime Kareem.[/QUOTE]
How am I bashing, I simply said Shaq has achieved more then Larry. I fail to see the bashing there. Yet you still didn't give me a reason as to why he deserves to be better the Shaq. You simply gave me the "how dare you? Larry? He is top 3". It's the safe answer.
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Horry has 7 titles, one more than Jordan...[/QUOTE]
Does he play both ends of the floor? Does he have amazing stats? Does he dominate his era?
Shaq has all this, so don't try and bring that pathetic argument here.
[QUOTE=AllenIverson3]dont even say that about Larry Bird. Larry Bird is the second greatest player of all time behind Michael Jordan![/QUOTE]
Why? Can you give me a reason? That's all I'm asking for...
shaq is 2nd only to mj
He is top 10 but there is no way he is top 5 or top 7 for that matter.
These players are demonstrably greater:
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Oscar Robertson
These players are arguably greater:
Jerry West
Julius Erving, Hakeem Olajuwon (probably not)