Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"

Damn, didn't realise ISH got this bad, there's only 3-4 guys in this thread who aren't talking out of their arse.

This league has many players who can score, yet you wouldn't think they could, or wouldn't have much of a chance, but then you have people saying that Gervin couldn't score in this league? That's ignorance at it's finest. The players of today are not as mighty as some of you think.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]complete f*cking rubbish

watch a game from the seventies, defenses were a JOKE.

His BS finger roll would get swatted to the mezzanine level everytime he drove to the hoop.

The old man needs to shut his wrinkly old trap.[/QUOTE]

Remember though that the 3-point field goal wasn't implemented till October of 79.....So scoring 30 on any given night, even with lack of defense (but still defense nontheless) was still a challenge...

[QUOTE=Kebab Stall]Damn, didn't realise ISH got this bad, there's only 3-4 guys in this thread who aren't talking out of their arse.

This league has many players who can score, yet you wouldn't think they could, or wouldn't have much of a chance, but then you have people saying that Gervin couldn't score in this league? That's ignorance at it's finest. The players of today are not as mighty as some of you think.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. If anyone actually read the whole article there are some pretty incredible things in there:

Such as Ice scoring 63 points in 33 minutes [B]AT WILL[/B], because he was trying to beat David Thompson out for the scoring title.

Such as Ice scoring 33 in a quarter, etc.

Such as Ice scoring 35 in the 1st half at the end of his career.


Which brings me to a larger point...

You could make a case that this article is the most revealing one yet into Kobe's 81 point game, and how other great scorers could have achieved that pretty easily if they had so chosen to do so.

If Ice had 63 points in 33 minutes, that is over a 90 pt. performance over 48 minutes. Take off some for rest, and it is still well over 81.
In addition his 53 first half points, speaks to Kobe's incredible 2nd half.
[B]Do you seriously think that after Ice scored 53 in the first half, he couldn't have scored about half in that in the 2nd half for 81?[/B]

David Thompson in the article scored 73 [B]AT WILL[/B] as well just before. And we've of course heard about DRob's 71 in a similar scenario.

All of this evidence would lead one to believe that any truly great scorer could if they so choose make their mind up, with teammates in the background, to score an incredible amount of points.

Of course they would have to be truly great scorers like Ice, MJ, Kobe, Dominique, etc.

P.S. Kobe's game is still incredible, as is Wilt's, but this article is an eye opener to just how easy it is to amass numbers at will if great scorers so choose. And to just how great Ice was and would be today. :bowdown:

i remember this last day of the season drama when ice and dt were vying for the scoring championship

if i recall, both of these games were insignificant in terms of the playoffs so both teams were just feeding ice and dt for them to score. the goal of the game wasnt team play and to win the game, but for their teammate to win the scoring title

i would bet that if just scoring a bunch of points was the goal of all sorts of teams these days, there are guys who could put up 60+ points too

ish would have had a forum discussion field day with all of this (if the internet existed back then!)

[quote=BIZARRO]Agreed. If anyone actually read the whole article there are some pretty incredible things in there:

Such as Ice scoring 63 points in 33 minutes [B]AT WILL[/B], because he was trying to beat David Thompson out for the scoring title.

Such as Ice scoring 33 in a quarter, etc.

Such as Ice scoring 35 in the 1st half at the end of his career.


Which brings me to a larger point...

You could make a case that this article is the most revealing one yet into Kobe's 81 point game, and how other great scorers could have achieved that pretty easily if they had so chosen to do so.

If Ice had 63 points in 33 minutes, that is over a 90 pt. performance over 48 minutes. Take off some for rest, and it is still well over 81.
In addition his 53 first half points, speaks to Kobe's incredible 2nd half.
[B]Do you seriously think that after Ice scored 53 in the first half, he couldn't have scored about half in that in the 2nd half for 81?[/B]

David Thompson in the article scored 73 [B]AT WILL[/B] as well just before. And we've of course heard about DRob's 71 in a similar scenario.

All of this evidence would lead one to believe that any truly great scorer could if they so choose make their mind up, with teammates in the background, to score an incredible amount of points.

Of course they would have to be truly great scorers like Ice, MJ, Kobe, Dominique, etc.

P.S. Kobe's game is still incredible, as is Wilt's, but this article is an eye opener to just how easy it is to amass numbers at will if great scorers so choose. And to just how great Ice was and would be today. :bowdown:[/quote]

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Agreed. If anyone actually read the whole article there are some pretty incredible things in there:

Such as Ice scoring 63 points in 33 minutes [B]AT WILL[/B], because he was trying to beat David Thompson out for the scoring title.

Such as Ice scoring 33 in a quarter, etc.

Such as Ice scoring 35 in the 1st half at the end of his career.


Which brings me to a larger point...

You could make a case that this article is the most revealing one yet into Kobe's 81 point game, and how other great scorers could have achieved that pretty easily if they had so chosen to do so.

If Ice had 63 points in 33 minutes, that is over a 90 pt. performance over 48 minutes. Take off some for rest, and it is still well over 81.
In addition his 53 first half points, speaks to Kobe's incredible 2nd half.
[B]Do you seriously think that after Ice scored 53 in the first half, he couldn't have scored about half in that in the 2nd half for 81?[/B]

David Thompson in the article scored 73 [B]AT WILL[/B] as well just before. And we've of course heard about DRob's 71 in a similar scenario.

All of this evidence would lead one to believe that any truly great scorer could if they so choose make their mind up, with teammates in the background, to score an incredible amount of points.

Of course they would have to be truly great scorers like Ice, MJ, Kobe, Dominique, etc.

P.S. Kobe's game is still incredible, as is Wilt's, but this article is an eye opener to just how easy it is to amass numbers at will if great scorers so choose. And to just how great Ice was and would be today. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Great point. :applause:

Not to mention Ice had most of his big scoring games with no 3 point line. The 63 was in '78 and in only 33 minutes. nd not to mention, Ice was winning scoring titles in the '80s, not the WEAK '70s (though he had some in the '70s) as some will claim.

Ice would average 30+ in this era. Hell Arenas dropped 29, Bron dropped 30, T-Mac dropped 32, AI 33 and Kobe 35, why couldn't he?

lol stfu "iceman" - you couldnt even come close. :lol

[QUOTE=Psileas]What exactly among the things he said is crap? Enlighten us, please.

Gervin was a better and more efficient scorer than pretty much anyone. People get excited about the scoring performances of Iverson or, in the older says Dominique, but Gervin was a more efficient and productive scorer than both-actually holds the 2nd best career point/minute ratio ever, behind only Jordan. He also holds a career NBA FG% of 51.1%, which is impressive for a guy his size, regardless of era.

It's also funny how the dude mentions the defense of the 70's, yet ignores that he had his 2 most productive seasons in the [B]80's [/B] and that he averaged 20+ as late as in 1985, at the age of 33 (and in only 29.0 mpg of playing time).

So, his finger-roll would be blocked every time he'd drive, huh...Is that why dwarves like Tony Parker and last year's Navarro are so rarely blocked when attempting their "BS"? Is that why Billups who gets up like 5 inches off the ground rarely has his shot swatted away? Gervin has a good 4-5 inches over all of them, has long arms and could jump higher, especially compared to the last two. So, maybe, before starting talking about the "00's supermen", you need to put some things into perspective and realize that players haven't become [B]that[/B] much better that quickly through time. Basketball isn't informatics, where a 3-year old technology is considered mainstream or even obsolete.[/QUOTE]

[B]Also one must add to the fact that not everything as time passes gets bettered. Music of the 70s and 80s is way superior and not to mention 80s music is way modern sounding than the 90s and 2000s. Newer does not mean more advanced-more modern etc it just means newer. The game had more friction before and handchecking: the ability to tire down your opponent while always having a "chance" to see where he was moving was a wepone that made it more difficult for scorers to actually score more and at a higher %. Another thing we must add is that if the game is more competitive today around the world doesn`t mean **** because back then in the NBA only the REALLY GOOD FUNDAMENTAL PLAYERS where chosen or those whom HAD EXTREAME AMOUNTS OF TALENT. Very few was there a chance of "lets see what`s going to happen with that kid":no: . To end the game game creative wise, talent wise, fundamentally wise, basketball iq wise, team play wise etc has decreae the last 15 or so years. The only thing that has kept going well is athletic abilities, that snce the 80s.

:confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=flu game][url]http://www.thegoodpoint.com/basketball/oct08/the-man-and-the-monument-how-george-gervin-became-champion-of-the-people.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I don't doubt that he could average 30 a season... but it wouldn't be 40, and it wouldn't be "real easy." Teams aren't giving up 108, 109 points on average anymore.

30 a night easily? Maybe. 40 a night easily? Stretching it. He was a phenomenal player but I think he got a little arrogant with his claims.

And Bill Russell would average 25 rebounds a game easily.

[QUOTE=Kebab Stall]That's ignorance at it's finest. The players of today are not as mighty as some of you think.[/QUOTE]


And on the flipside, the players today arent as awful as some people make it seem.

Players of today are almost always put down in favor of players from the past on here.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]And Bill Russell would average 25 rebounds a game easily.[/QUOTE]
Well Russell never averaged over 25 in any season, but Gervin on the other hand averaged over 30 twice (32 and 33 to be exact.)

Its not as bad as Wilt saying he would average 60-70 ppg in the 90s.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Well Russell never averaged over 25 in any season, but Gervin on the other hand averaged over 30 twice (32 and 33 to be exact.)[/QUOTE]

Never averaged 40 though. Just an old star trying to become relevant again. His spotlight is over.