no lebron with a paul pierce like jumper is pretty much unstoppable.
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no lebron with a paul pierce like jumper is pretty much unstoppable.
[QUOTE=inclinerator]no lebron with a paul pierce like jumper is pretty much unstoppable.[/QUOTE]
[B]But Bird has that Jumper, has the 3-Pointer, has the Post Up Scoring Game, can Rebound between SFs/Pfs and if he gets fouled he shoots over 88-90% :confusedshrug: [/B]
Lebron with a jumper will be the most unstoppable force ever. averaging 30 on mostly driving alone right now and being guarded? they would have to guard his jumper closely now too with paul's jumper.
The thing with Larry Bird is he was one of the best of all-time, even without an ounce of athleticism. At his size, he could shoot like one of the best shooting guards, create plays like one of the best point guards, and rebound against the best power forwards and centers. It didn't matter who you put on Bird. If you gave him an inch, he would take a mile. If you gave him just an inch of breathing room, he would either net a 20 footer in your face or find the open man for an easy basket.
He averaged 24/10/6 over his career and averaged seven or more assists per game three times. Today, if he were to attempt more three pointers, he could probably shoot 45% from downtown. There wasn't anything Larry Bird could not do.
[QUOTE=Loki]
There is no "evolved" version of the game where the skills and ability that anyone can see in ANY Larry Bird video would NOT make him the best player in the league, or one of the handful of best at the very worst. Period.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Anatomically modern day humans have been on this planet for approximately 200,000 years. About 50,000 years ago they became behaviorally modern (see "the great leap forward"). Ever since then humans have been constantly changing their environment to suit their needs. The human body has also changed in response to agriculture, modern day food processing, pollution, and other aspects of modern day living which didn't exist on the African savanna.
Basketball was invented a little over a century ago. Ever since then the human genome has been constantly at work producing generation after generation of new NBA stars. It's how evolution works. Fans want good players. Mother nature responds by making basketball players of increasing quality or "fitness."
You think Bird is a good player because he looks great competing against equally bad players by today's standards. It'd be like if you played against fifth graders. Sure, you look good, but only by comparison. If Bird played today he would be extremely limited given his stiffness, immobility, non-European whiteness, and slow decision making skills compared to modern day blurs like Troy Murphy or Tim Duncan.
You have to understand that if Hedo Turkoglu was sent back in a time machine he would dominate the NBA that Bird and his contemporaries played in. But nowadays he's just an OK player. Things move so fast.
But we shouldn't look back on past weaker eras arrogantly. Bird retired only a generation ago. In another generation players will be dunking from the three point line and looking back at our era with equal derision.
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[QUOTE=Koop1]**** No[/QUOTE]
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Considering the frightening lack of fundamentals in today's game and Bird's being arguably the greatest fundamental player ever, I'd say he'd pretty much dominate today's game.
[B][U]Old Larry v.s Slow Unskilled Pathetic [COLOR="Orange"]James Worthy[/COLOR][/U][/B]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=worthja01&p2=birdla01[/url]
[B]22.5 PPG (46.7% FG), 9.3 RPG; 6.5 APG, 1.8 SPG and (54.5% 3-Point FG)
[U]Old Larry Bird`s pathetic stats vs Defensive/Rebounding Machine [COLOR="Blue"]Dennis Rodman[/COLOR][/U]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=birdla01&p2=rodmade01[/url]
24.7 PPG (48.7% FG), 8 RPG; 6.9 APG, 1 SPG, 1 BPG and (48.7% 3-Point FG)
[U]Old Larry Bird`s pathetic stats vs Unathletic and Pathetic Defender [COLOR="Red"]Scottie Pippen[/COLOR][/U]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=birdla01&p2=pippesc01[/url]
25.9 PPG (50.3% FG), 8.3 RPG; 6.1 APG, 1 BPG (45% 3-Point FG)
[U]Old Larry Bird`s pathetic stats vs Unathletic [COLOR="DarkRed"]Dominique Wilkins[/COLOR][/U]
22.4 PPG (50.4% FG), 8 RPG; 6.4 APG, 1.6 SPG
[U]Old Larry Bird`s pathetic stats vs Unathletic [COLOR="Green"]Shawn Kemp[/COLOR][/U]
20.6 PPG (54.5% FG), 10 RPG; 6 APG, 1.6 SPG [/B]
[B][SIZE="4"]Larry Bird definetly played against Weak, Unathletic and Bad NBA Forwards[/SIZE][/B]
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[QUOTE=stephanieg]You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Anatomically modern day humans have been on this planet for approximately 200,000 years. About 50,000 years ago they became behaviorally modern (see "the great leap forward"). Ever since then humans have been constantly changing their environment to suit their needs. The human body has also changed in response to agriculture, modern day food processing, pollution, and other aspects of modern day living which didn't exist on the African savanna.
Basketball was invented a little over a century ago. Ever since then the human genome has been constantly at work producing generation after generation of new NBA stars. It's how evolution works. Fans want good players. Mother nature responds by making basketball players of increasing quality or "fitness."
You think Bird is a good player because he looks great competing against equally bad players by today's standards. It'd be like if you played against fifth graders. Sure, you look good, but only by comparison. If Bird played today he would be extremely limited given his stiffness, immobility, non-European whiteness, and slow decision making skills compared to modern day blurs like Troy Murphy or Tim Duncan.
You have to understand that if Hedo Turkoglu was sent back in a time machine he would dominate the NBA that Bird and his contemporaries played in. But nowadays he's just an OK player. Things move so fast.
But we shouldn't look back on past weaker eras arrogantly. Bird retired only a generation ago. In another generation players will be dunking from the three point line and looking back at our era with equal derision.[/QUOTE]
I know it
larry bird wasn't stiff, he was awkward looking but not stiff. a 50 year old is stiff.
and yes he would be the best player in the nba today.
I can't believe people are disrepecting Bird like this.
Sir Charles is a horrible poster, jesus why isnt he banned?
Why do people say Bird wasnt athletic though, the guy had PF size but played SF, that alone should tell you he was athletic. He wasnt athletic by elite guard standards, but how many 6"10 guys are?
[QUOTE=stephanieg]
You think Bird is a good player because he looks great competing against equally bad players by today's standards. It'd be like if you played against fifth graders. Sure, you look good, but only by comparison. If Bird played today he would be extremely limited given his stiffness, immobility, non-European whiteness, and slow decision making skills compared to modern day blurs like Troy Murphy or Tim Duncan.
You have to understand that if Hedo Turkoglu was sent back in a time machine he would dominate the NBA that Bird and his contemporaries played in. But nowadays he's just an OK player. [B]Things move so fast[/B].
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yeah the 80's were full of stiffs like Erving, Jordan, Isiah, Drexler, Worthy, McHale, Barkley, Nique, Marques Johnson, Hakeem, Moses. Yep Hedo's soft a$$ would dominate those guys.
BTW you do know the game was much faster then?
[QUOTE=allball]yeah the 80's were full of stiffs like Erving, Jordan, Isiah, Drexler, Worthy, McHale, Barkley, Nique, Marques Johnson, Hakeem, Moses. Yep Hedo's soft a$$ would dominate those guys.
BTW you do know the game was much faster then?[/QUOTE]
I think he he was being sarcastic there.
One thing though, using the absolute best from an era to prove a point is silly, because more often than not those guys were ahead of the curve. If you want to gauge how athletic the league is, look at the guys on the bench, look at the league as a whole, not just the pinnacle.