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[QUOTE=darius15]43 points a game?:eek:
This Bradman guy must be to cricket what Tiger Woods is to golf, and cricket has more fans worldwide than golf, I think.[/QUOTE]
it has to be marketing, i'm not a cricket fan but i am an australian so i should know more about bradman than tiger right? but i don't.
[QUOTE=LJJ]The main objective of football is not to score goals, but to score at least one goal more than your opponent. Those are two different things, and LMAO at you not knowing this.
Pele was not the best player on the Brazilian team in 1958. Garrincha was.
And you don't know d1ck about football in the sixties. No shame to admit that, because none of us do. Especially not the intricacies like which leagues where better.
Please amuse me by pulling up a couple of facts and showing all of Santos' results against European teams.[/QUOTE]
I'm soth american and love football history. Garrincha was not the best player in 1958. He was the best player in the 1962 World Cup. If you make some research, you can find out.
You don't even know me. How can you say that I don't no anything about brazilian football in the 60's?
All Santos games with Pele against italian teams;
Note that all games were played in Italy, Santos always playing as the away team:
Friday June, 5 1959 Santos 2 x 3 Internazionale (Italy) Goals by Pele = 2
Friday June 26, 1959 Santos 7 x 1 Internazionale - Goals by Pele 4
Tuesday June, 30 1959 Santos 4 x 0 - No goals by Pele
Thursday May, 12 1960 Brasil 2 x 2 Internazionale - 2 goals by Pele
Wednesday June, 1 1960 Santos 3 x 2 Roma - 1 Goal by Pele
Friday June, 3 1960 Santos 0 x 3 Fiorentina
Sunday June, 18 1961 Santos 2 x 0 Juventus 1 goal by Pele
Wednesday June, 21 1961 Santos 5 x 0 - 2 Goals by Pele
Saturday June, 24 1961 Santos 4 x 0 Internazionale - 1 Goal by Pele
Saturday June, 15 1963 Santos 4 x 3 Roma - 2 goals by Pele
Wednesday June, 19 1963 Santos 0 x 2 Internazionale
Saturday June, 22 1963 Santos 0 x 4 Milan
Wednesday June, 26 1963 Santos 3 x 5 Juventus - 1 Goal by Pele
Wednesday October, 16 1963 Santos 2 x Milan 4 - 2 goals by Pele
Monday September 5, 1966 Santos 4 x 1 Internazionale - 1 goal by Pele
Saturday June, 17 1967 Santos 2 x 1 Manotva - 1 goal by Pele
Tuesday June, 20 1967 Santos 1 x o Veneza
Saturday June, 24 1967 Santos 5 x 1 Lecce - 3 goals by Pele
Tuesday June, 27 1967 Santos 1 x 1 Fiorentina
Thursday June, 29 1967 Santos 3 x 1 Roma - 1 goal by Pele
Saturday August, 26 1967 Santos 0 x 1 Internazionale
Sunday June, 9 1968 Santos 2 x 1 Cagliari
Wednesday June, 12 1968 Santos 2 x Alessandria 0 - 1 goal by Pele
Friday June, 21 1968 Santos 4 x 2 Napoli - 1 goal by Pele
Wednesday June, 26 1968 Santos 6 x 2 Napoli - 2 goals by Pele
Friday June, 28 1968 Santos 5 x 2 Napoli - 2 goals by Pele
Tuesday June, 24 1969 Santos 1 x 0 Internazionale
Wednesday September 24, 1969, Santos 7 x 1 Combined Genova/Sampodria - 2 goals by Pele
Wednesday June, 23 1971 Santos 2 x 1 Bologna 1 - 1 goal by Pele
Sunday June, 27 1971 Santos 1 x 1 Bologna
Wednesday June, 30 1971 Santos 1 x 0 BOlogna - 1 goal by Pele
Friday March, 3 1972 Santos 2 x 0 Roma
Sunday March, 5 1972 Santos 3 x 2 Napoli - 2 goals by Pele
Saturday April, 29 1972 Santos 1 x 0 Napoli
Monday May, 1 1972 Santos 3 x 2 Cagliari - 2 goals by Pele
Sunday June, 25 1972 Santos 7 x 2 Catanzaro
Friday May, 25 1973 Santos 3 x 0 Lazio - 1 goal by Pele
Monday May, 28 1973 Santos 4 x 2 Lazio - 2 goals by Pele
41 goals in 38 games. That gives him a 1.07 goals per game, better than his career average of 0.93 goals per game.
18 year old Pele in a tour in Europe against European teams.
Wednesday June, 24 1959. Valencia 4 x 4 Santos. 1 goal by Pele
Friday June 26, 1959, Internazionale (Italy) 1 x 7 Santos. 4 goals by Pele. :bowdown:
Sunday June, 28 1959. Barcelona 1 x 5 Santos. 2 goals by Pele.
Santos was the best team in the world. Pele had a better goal average in hundreds of games agaisnt european teams than he did in his career.
If you want, I can give you a list of all Pele goals in his career.
South American Champion Santos against European Champion Benfica. Both teams played in Intercontinental Cup to decide who was the best in the world.
Santos beat Benfica 5 goals to 2 in Portugal. Pele scored 3 and gave on assist.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdLCqvSO3SM&feature=related[/url]
Okay, that's cool. :cheers:
All those games played in june though, so they don't hold a lot of importance, but the European teams all on their home turf.
Still though, Maradona on the pitch is probably the most impressive I have seen. But I have only seen some of the early WC footage.
[QUOTE=LJJ]Okay, that's cool. :cheers:
All those games played in june though, so they don't hold a lot of importance, but the European teams all on their home turf.
Still though, Maradona on the pitch is probably the most impressive I have seen. But I have only seen some of the early WC footage.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
It does hold a lot of importance. Old football journalists say that all those teams wanted to beat Santos and slow down the Pele "hype".
Check some Pele hilights in youtube. You'll be impressed on how he dominated evert aspect of football abilty. :cheers:
I'm ignorant on Golf. Never liked it. Can anyone tell me if Tiger Woods is already considered the best ever? Does he have all time records and stuff like that already?
BTW, last week the German newspaper Bild made a survey to chose the world's greatest sportsmen.
Here are the results:
1.Muhammad Ali
2.Pele
3.Michael Schumacher
4.Michael Jordan
5.Roger Federer
6.Franz Beckenbauer
7.Jesse Owens
8.Diego Maradona
9.Carl Lewis
10.Michael Phelps
A clear bias for German athletes. Maradona should be ahead of Beckenbauer and Jordan should definetly be ahead of Schumacher. Ali and Pele can be first or second place. You can't go wrong with either of them.
[url]http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/sport-news/more-sport/2009/07/07/worlds-greatest-ever-sportsmen/roger-federer-fifth-place-in-top-ten-list.html[/url]
kwame brown, rick ross, michael jackson, george w
Peter Schmeichel >>>>>> Pele and Maradona.
[QUOTE=lakers_forever]BTW, last week the German newspaper Bild made a survey to chose the world's greatest sportsmen.
Here are the results:
1.Muhammad Ali
2.Pele
3.Michael Schumacher
4.Michael Jordan
5.Roger Federer
6.Franz Beckenbauer
7.Jesse Owens
8.Diego Maradona
9.Carl Lewis
10.Michael Phelps
A clear bias for German athletes. Maradona should be ahead of Beckenbauer and Jordan should definetly be ahead of Schumacher. Ali and Pele can be first or second place. You can't go wrong with either of them.
[url]http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/sport-news/more-sport/2009/07/07/worlds-greatest-ever-sportsmen/roger-federer-fifth-place-in-top-ten-list.html[/url][/QUOTE]
What the hell is Shoe maker and Phelps doing on this list? Germans, gotta love em'.
in order
michael schumacher- goat
michael jordan
roger federer
gap.
ali/tiger etc.
Bump
I saw the thread in the nba forum and remembered this one.
So, most agree with Pele, Jordan and Ali. Who would be the 4th one?
I said Jesse Owens, but I'm not sure. Michael Schumacher, Bradman, Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, Babe Ruth, Usain Bolt, Federer (maybe Nadal in the near future), Gretzky, Jim Brown. The problem with Gretzky, BRadman, Jim Brown and Ruth is that they have not transcended the sport. If you don't follow those sports and are not from their countries, chances are you never even heard of them.
I guess I would still choose Jesse Owens.
Bradman should be the unanimous #1.
Bradman
Jordan
Gretzky
Ali
Mohammed Ali
Michael Jordan
Diego Maradona
Michael Schumacher
MJ,Tiger, Ali and Pele
MJ, Ali, Pele, Gretzy
They each redefined sport.
MJ in the air
Ali with his flair
Pele (i actually dunno anything about him)
"The Great One"