30 minute Lebron video and a totally statless case for him to be top 20 ever. Today.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]20/10 isnt 20/10. gotta give me the players in question.[/QUOTE]
You would think Zach Randolph would have taught them that by now...

[QUOTE=Joey3000]These guys are usually the first to get sh!ted on, than everybody gives them what I call pitty props. For example, they will say stuff like "not to take anything from Malone but.... " or Stockton was great but... "

Stockton has achieved things Lebronze couldn't even dream of.[/QUOTE]

How many Championship Rings?

LeBron still have a chance to win an NBA Finals MVP because he's still playing in the NBA.

Stockton is not even a top 25 players of all time. LeBron at the age of 24 yrs.old is already the reigning NBA MVP.

The Lakers lost like 3 titles by a combined 4 points. They missed several single shots to win it all. The celtics were godly but not impossible to beat. They won because of Russell.

[QUOTE]I think its insulting to place him above guys like malone, stockton, baylor, west.[/QUOTE]

John Stocktons mother doesnt think he was better than Lebron.

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]You mean 'to each his own'. Good attempt though. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


It means the same thing, moron. Good contribution though.

And I feel bad for anyone who doesn't take longevity into account. It shows a lack of strong values... but it's pretty common with the youth these days.

It's a "what have you done for me lately" society we live in. Did I get that one right, mustard? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Lebron23]How many Championship Rings?

LeBron still have a chance to win an NBA Finals MVP because he's still playing in the NBA.

Stockton is not even a top 25 players of all time. LeBron at the age of 24 yrs.old is already the reigning NBA MVP.[/QUOTE]

More reason for him to start making more finals appearences and giving him a chance to win some titles. Think it may be a few more years until he does this.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]....[/QUOTE]

You said specifically you'd take Lebron because he's more consistent "night in night out". Team success doesn't even matter here, look at the numbers and it's clear that Kobe has been the more consistent player.

Lebron's series averages since 2006:

36/8/6 on 51% (worst defense in playoffs)
27/8/6 on 44%
28/9/7 on 42%
25/7/8 on 42%
26/9/9 on 45%
22/7/7 on 36%
30/9/8 on 48% (worst defense in playoffs)
27/6/8 on 35%
32/11/8 on 51%
34/8/6 on 56%
39/8/8 on 49%


How is that more consistent than Kobe?? Kobe has two series where he shot below 45% and none below 40%.

Kobe's series averages since 2006:

28/6/5 on 50%
33/5/4 on 46%
34/5/6 on 50%
33/7/7 on 49%
29/6/4 on 54% (against the same team that shut down Lebron a year ago)
26/5/5 on 41%
27/6/5 on 47%
27/5/4 on 45%
34/6/6 on 48%
32/7/6 on 43%

Up until this year, Lebron's individual playoff numbers were a joke. Think he shot like 41% for a two year stretch in them. Keep in mind that Lebron is a front court player (helps rebounding numbers from position alone, check out his offensive rebounding, it's terrible) and someone who dominates the ball more than anyone else in the league (all time perhaps?). Lebron-ball give the Cavs a limited ceiling...they can be a good team who can beat a couple of weak playoff teams (like the competition they've faced every year in the first two rounds in the East) or otherwise it's first round exit every year in the West. So while he can put up these assists numbers playing Lebron-ball, it doesn't help the team at all. Only way they can win is to get off that system, and it became clear this year especially (just watch, he is not winning sh*t if he keeps averaging 8 rebs and 8 assts on his teams). The Lakers system is the complete opposite. Pretty sure Kobe averaged career high in assists when he played briefly outside the triangle even though he was injured and in bad shape (with a scandal looming over him) all of that year.

And you want to talk about teams allergic to defense, then what were those Wizards teams? Suns were not as bad as you make them see, and Wizards were the worst defensive team in the playoffs every year they got in.

For one....didnt you say last 4 years? What was 06? And how is that setup? Going back or is 07 the first one?



Im not about to go do an extensive search at the moment since im at work but after a brief glance at what I looked up in an old topic(On Ben Gordons number of off nights)...

Kobe had at least 24 games of under 40% shooting last year and I dont think the season had ended at the time. Ben Gordon at the time had 21. Lebron had 8. Lebrons style of play just isnt gonna produce as many bad nights as Kobes. Kobe takes bad shots compared to Lebron. Is that even up for debate?


And what are you even showing me there? Does that paint a picture of a superior Kobe? Lebron probably has the 3 best series you posted. then one of Kobes is 4th...and another of Lebrons 5th. Even with the couple bad ones it reads like a Jordan list. and 8 of Kobes are on a vastly superior team. If Lebron had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum can you see him needing to take the shots he does? Lebron on the Lakers might literally shoot 55% as he currently is.

As I said I would trade the whols Cavs roster outside Lebron these last few years for Gasol alone. better offensive teams lead to less bad shots for everyone involved. Of course the vastly(vastly....) superior teammates factor in. And even with them im not seeing Kobe playing better.

I just realized last season Lebron had the best ever PER in NBA history BOTH in regular season and in playoff. :applause:

Gotta love how all the Kobe fans(Fatal9, Barbaroi, etc,) are pissed at Kblaze because he said he would consider taking Lebron to start a franchise over Kobe, as well as some other stuff. Yet when Kblaze made his threads about his Kobe video and the one about how people should stop bringing MJ up every day, they were all over him. :rolleyes:

Great video, as usual. Keep up the good work and ignore the idiots.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I think the list changed a number of times. I wasnt paying the closest attention.there is a perfectly reasonable case to be made for Kobe over everyone I put Lebron over. though id rather have Lebron. Lebron is unstoppable because of things that dont vary with how hot he is. When his jumper doesnt fall he can still get to the basket every single time he tries.

Lebron having a terrible game means hes missing layups. Lebron bad games are flukey. Kobe bad games are because he takes some of the toughest shots in NBA history and nobody can make them all the time. Lebron is a more night in night out threat to play near his peak potential I think.

[B]Kobe is amazing for his ability to make difficult shots. Lebron is amazing for his ability to not need to take a difficult shot.[/B][/QUOTE]
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Great Thread!!!!
:cheers:

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Gotta love how all the Kobe fans(Fatal9, Barbaroi, etc,) are pissed at Kblaze because he said he would consider taking Lebron to start a franchise over Kobe, as well as some other stuff. Yet when Kblaze made his threads about his Kobe video and the one about how people should stop bringing MJ up every day, they were all over him. :rolleyes:

Great video, as usual. Keep up the good work and ignore the idiots.[/QUOTE]
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i honestly think kblaze was on point

except for the dwade comment that's about it tho

Props to Kblaze. I always enjoy the quality of his videos and posts.

I am a Lakers fan, and a Kobe fan too, but I agree on the assessment that Lebron is a better pick than Kobe because of his physical dominance along with his skills. Kobe maybe the more "skilled" player, and Lebron may not be able to do those left-handed turn around spin fade away three pointers out of bounds that Kobe has done, but who cares. You take the player that has the less trouble to score in a more realistic scenario. That's why players like Shaq are dominant without having to fade away, crossover, or shoot outside of 10 feet from the basket.

I tell you I don't want the Cavs to win anything because I want the Lakers (and Kobe too) to keep on winning. But I still consider Lebron a player with the greater potential, and if Lebron starts winning and putting legendary performances, I will just have to sit down and appreciate how great Lebron is/will be.

[QUOTE=iamgine]I just realized last season Lebron had the best ever PER in NBA history BOTH in regular season and in playoff. :applause:[/QUOTE]

which should tell you that PER is a garbage stat