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he whiffs on [I]"On the other hand, NBA players say almost unanimously that Kobe is the game's best."[/I][/QUOTE]
The article is well worth it for that little tid bit alone. I often hear Kobe detractors say that its not true that most NBA players think he is the best player on the planet.
I ****ing hate when people say best player on the planet. Maybe he is the best player in the NBA BUT NOT IN THE f-cking planet. Europe basketeball Euroleague and NBA are very very different so as I said about a million times..
If one player is very good or the best in the NBA it doesnt mean he would be very good or especially the best in the euroleague and vice versa.
[QUOTE=Cermet]I ****ing hate when people say best player on the planet. Maybe he is the best player in the NBA BUT NOT IN THE f-cking planet. Europe basketeball Euroleague and NBA are very very different so as I said about a million times..
If one player is very good or the best in the NBA it doesnt mean he would be very good or especially the best in the euroleague and vice versa.[/QUOTE]
lol I'm sure an average player in the NBA would dominate in the euroleague.
[QUOTE=Jello]lol I'm sure an average player in the NBA would dominate in the euroleague.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. See: Brandon Jennings, Von Wafer.
On topic, I think Lebron is better... but it's close. If Lebron's jumpshot was more consistent (he goes on streaks where he makes like 6 of 7, then misses 7 of 8... it's actually a lot like Shaq's streaky free throw shooting), if he had a reliable post up game that he went to often, and if he didn't make 2 or 3 "WTF are you doing?" decisions per game (Kobe sometimes does this too), I would say that Lebron is easily the best player. He has the tools to be the consensus best player in the game, but he's not there yet.
This Article reeks of "these players have to be great at everything because they are the best,etc......"
How do you give Kobe a 9 in transition?
Lebron is a top ten fast break player EVER. Kobe should have gotten a 6 or something.
[QUOTE=phoenix18]This Article reeks of "these players have to be great at everything because they are the best,etc......"
How do you give Kobe a 9 in transition?
Lebron is a top ten fast break player EVER. Kobe should have gotten a 6 or something.[/QUOTE]
exactly LOL...this cracked me up as well - Kobe close to Bron in transition game?:roll:
[QUOTE=Jello]lol I'm sure an average player in the NBA would dominate in the euroleague.[/QUOTE]
Please dont make a fool out yourself ok...
[QUOTE=phoenix18]This Article reeks of "these players have to be great at everything because they are the best,etc......"
How do you give Kobe a 9 in transition?
Lebron is a top ten fast break player EVER. Kobe should have gotten a 6 or something.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the problem with the point system. You may be right, but for the sake of an argument, let's say that Kobe receives 1 point for the transition game and LeBron 10. Questions:
1) Does LeBron winning it 10 to 1 make him 10 times more efficient in transition? Does it mean Kobe will score 4 transition points a game and LeBron 40?
2) Provided LeBron leads Kobe 10 to 1 in the transition game, and also let's imagine Kobe wins all the other categories... that would still make LeBron the winner in this system, despite him winnin (hypothetically) only that 1 category. It's like saying Howard is a lot better than Nash, because he beats him in rebounding 10 to 1. Howard may be better, but not because of that. (And I don't think he is, but that's a different issue.)
So you made a pretty good point: this system with the constant 10 to 9 results is even more pointless (pun intended).
[QUOTE=cotdt]Even by ESPN's own criteria, how can you say that Lebron makes his teammates better? When he does his 1-man-team thing his teammates just stand to the side and get cold. This happened in the Orlando series. Whereas Kobe spends the first half of the game facilitating so that he can get his teammates involved. Kobe never holds the ball for more than 2 seconds just dribbling, something Lebron does all the time. ESPN is too prone to a player's reputation rather than watching the actual game.
And Lebron makes more long 2's than Kobe so he's a better shooter than Kobe now? That's ridiculous. Over half of Lebron's shots are long 2's, that's just a sign of bad shot selection. Everyone knows that long 2's are the lowest percentage shot. Lebron is also not as well guarded as Kobe at the perimeter, his defenders keep more distance between them since they are only concerned about his drives. You can say that Ariza last season was a better shooter than Kobe too, but put Ariza in the same situation as Kobe and now? 38% FG.
Another point. Lebron has the 2nd highest turnover rate in the league, how is he a better passer than Kobe? The assist numbers don't tell the whole story, assists are just proportional to how often you have the ball in your hands. This season Kobe shares the ball more than in past seasons, yet his assist numbers went down.[/QUOTE]
Let me get this straight:
He averages more assists than Kobe, and is top 10 in the league, yet he doesn't get his teammates involved.
Then, all he does is stand around dribbling for all of the game (he has possession apparently for 48 minutes) and yet you question why his turnover rate is high. It's .5 higher than Kobe last time I checked, yet he holds the ball on every possession. Doesn't it make sense?
What is your basis behind this being the most Kobe has shared the ball? He's taking MORE shots this season; especially while Gasol was out. Furthermore, while Gasol has been in, Kobe has increased his assists by a considerable amount.
If you don't believe me, check his averages before and after Gasol.
Never understood this 'making your teammates better' myth. If he makes his teammates better, why ya'll complaining 'bout how he got no help in the Playoffs last year? Isn't he supposed to be making his teammates better? Sure didn't make Mo Williams better. :roll:
[QUOTE]If he makes his teammates better, why ya'll complaining 'bout how he got no help in the Playoffs last year?[/QUOTE]
On a rather technical note, if I am making my teammates better (they are not good, but I make them decent) and then I recieve help 'from them'... I can conclude that I helped myself, and the set of teammates was just a middleman.
It is a dangerous way of thinking, but I'm not sure players who are not 'getting it' early in thier careers don't think along the lines presented above. 'Let's make my teammates better so that they can help me more in the end, shall we'.
It is a philosophy that won't get you anywhere. You have to help your teammates but also LET THEM be who they are, so that they can help you via their own strengths and not something you helped them achieve in the first place.
Does it make any sense? I'm not sure... but I understand myself... I think. :oldlol:
they are both great, but what separates them are championships, and kobe has 4, lebron has 0, the lakers are the favorites to win again this year and maybe even the next
[QUOTE=elementally morale]On a rather technical note, if I am making my teammates better (they are not good, but I make them decent) and then I recieve help 'from them'... I can conclude that I helped myself, and the set of teammates was just a middleman.
It is a dangerous way of thinking, but I'm not sure players who are not 'getting it' early in thier careers don't think along the lines presented above. 'Let's make my teammates better so that they can help me more in the end, shall we'.
It is a philosophy that won't get you anywhere. You have to help your teammates but also LET THEM be who they are, so that they can help you via their own strengths and not something you helped them achieve in the first place.
Does it make any sense? I'm not sure... but I understand myself... I think. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I understand you. The more you give to your teammates, the more you receive back. That's why you gotta help their game in practice and share the ball with them in real games. Players play better when they play with Kobe, like Ariza, Brown, Gasol, etc. Anyone who plays with Kobe sees their FG% go way up.
Congrats LeBron, you've been named Best Player by David Thorpe :rockon:
:oldlol: @ lebron being a better perimeter shooter.