Kevin Mchale vs Dirk Nowitzki All time

i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.[/QUOTE]


Good points. Agree with most of that.

When comparing players it is important to look in context at what the role of the player was within the team. I think when deciding which of the two is better, i think your right in saying McHale is the better number 2 and Dirk is the better number 1. But i feel If the roles were reversed, Dirk would probably be better at McHales job, than vice versa. Marginally.

So i give the nod to Dirk

Dirk!!!!!!

[QUOTE=TrueDiesel3]McHale was more efficient than Dirk, did you watch McHale live? I didn't, and I'll admit that, but based off of stats and accomplishments there's no question that McHale was greater and better than Dirk was.[/QUOTE]
Well, without knowledge of the context, you can't just take stats and accomplishments as a basis. If a guy like Bird, who was in consideration for GOAT at his time, would play next to Dirk (or better yet, Dirk next to Bird, let's stay honest), his stats, especially his FG%, would inflate a lot, cause he would be able to get more open looks etc. And to most people who actually watched McHale, it's clear that he is not a greater and better player.

12 votes for Dirk
10 votes for Mchale

There are seriously people who think this is mchale? First off how is dirk "not nearly the rebounder mchale was?" Their career rebounds per 36 minutes are 8.5 for mchale and 8.3 per dirk while mchale played at a MUCH faster pace and was doing so while much fresher because he didnt play much and playing closer to the basket which opened up more offensive rebounds.

[QUOTE=TrueDiesel3]McHale was more efficient than Dirk, did you watch McHale live? I didn't, and I'll admit that, but based off of stats and accomplishments there's no question that McHale was greater and better than Dirk was.[/QUOTE]

in what parallel universe does McHale have more accomplishments and better stats?

I take Dirk Nowitzki.

He was more of a franchise player and all-around player than Mchale was, Kevin had superb post-moves, but Dirk had major capacity to take over games and win them by himself. McHale was a good defensive player, better than Dirk, but not that much better to conclude as a decisive factor.

Its not a far-fetched comparison, and in some ways its close, but I think Nowitzki was somehow the better player.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.[/QUOTE]


this line of thought is why I have not yet fired you from my front office. RBA is getting kept on as a boxing consultant only.

Though I am considering making you work on Christmas, New Years and Easter as punishment.


McHale was on a team that perfectly suited him. Dirk has been on some very good teams but they have never been properly built around him due to a variety of reasons.

to annihilate Go Getters bias vote:

Dirk

Kevin Mchale. Not just for the shimmy either.

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[quote]Troll post

Mchale - 3 NBA Championship Rings

Dirk - 0 ring[/quote]

I hated these kind of posts.

Never finished taking count :lol

Dirk

[QUOTE=Lebron23]I hated these kind of posts.[/QUOTE]
smh...

Derek Fisher has 5 rings, but AI has 0. does that make Fisher the better player?