International teams play a better brand of basketball than USA

[QUOTE=Go Getter]You are so close minded it's sort of pitiful.

My point actually expressed that you can not like brazen, gifted, and spoiled black athletes and not be racist.

Why your feelings are all hurt over my font is a different story.

I point out something that's my truth, my opinion without being hurtful or malicious and it's an issue with you.

Tell me how, specifically, I turned things racial or made comment that is false and I will sincerely apologize.


If not, wipe your vulva and man up.

My opinion doesn't have to hurt your feelings all the time.[/QUOTE]

lol it's obvious your the one that's butthurt. His argument was based on fact and passive. Your post seems to be a lot more aggressive and reeks of lol u mad.

[QUOTE=olddangerfield]Not everything is about race, chill out. Have you even seen any of the international games? Their better fundamentals are undeniable, ESPN/ABC/TNT/NBATV coverage pretty much agrees on the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. So if someone likes fundamental ball better than the way the brothers play ball that's their right which was my original point.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]And exactly what does that have to do with you being a closed minded racist?

And lol at D-Rose being better then D-Will. Maybe once D-Rose gets better then Rondo we can talk[/QUOTE]

A racist would have to take part in racist actions or speech and you have yet to point that occurance out.

I treat everyone I meet with respect, I work for a Mormon owned business.

I have no problem pointing out differences between races and the facts as I see them.

One fact being that some people don't like the brothers style of
play and and some don't equate any measure of black men's athleticism to hard work and training.

Also, ball handling and finishing at the rim are skills.

If you want me to turn this racial I can spin it that way but your panties might twist.

The whole USA isn't skilled, we play an inferior brand of ball, "ooooh look how they suck" is vulturistic bullshit.

international teams do NOT play better brand of ball. they play like this bc when they play team usa its the only way they can stay close by slowing the game down and running 26 screens and pick an rolls per possession. france and lithuania have not had a guard who can handle the ball and team usa has taken advantage of tht and made them pay. the US team has not peaked yet in the tourny they will be ok. idk maybe its just me but i have yet to be "worried" bout any of these teams. but they will have to play better tonight when they play spain bc they hav much more firepower.

international teams do NOT play better brand of ball. they play like this bc when they play team usa its the only way they can stay close by slowing the game down and running 26 screens and pick an rolls per possession. france and lithuania have not had a guard who can handle the ball and team usa has taken advantage of tht and made them pay. the US team has not peaked yet in the tourny they will be ok. idk maybe its just me but i have yet to be "worried" bout any of these teams. but they will have to play better tonight when they play spain bc they hav much more firepower.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Exactly.

People underestimate the difficulty of adjusting to FIBA and a new group of teammates.

Notice how the Liths crisp passing and cutting got them beat by a team that is not near our best.[/QUOTE]

you think this is a traditionally good Lithuanian team?

My god, the level of iliteracy , political-correctness and stupidity in this forum is off the charts. How can you possibly deny the genetical difference between races??? COME ON GUYS! are you dumb or what?? so basically white american players dont like basketball and thats why they are mostly black , right? so basically blacks dont like swimming and thats why ALL the swimmers are white, right ? so blacks dont like ciclying and thats why all the cyclists are white.... GENS is the difference-maker. each race has different characteristics and the strength , size and athleticism is something natural in blacks. Arguing this is beyond stupid. its like saying the earth is squared.


what is just funny is that when it comes to discuss obvious and blatant facts related to races and genders some people freak out and dont even think about whats been discussed. the point of Zenmaster is more than appropriate and the idea has been clearly laid out. so based on this, "gens equality" that some of you preach, asians and norther europeans are the same height and strength, right? ofcourse, there are always exceptions (like Yao) but the general rule is objectively undeniable

Then why do white football players have no problems getting big? Or MMA fighters? or WWE wrestlers? professional bodybuilders? Seems like the whole "genetics" argument is easy to overcome if you wanted to with obvious exception of height which was stupid of you to even include for that reason.

How could you be comparing height though to body composition and athleticism? There's generally not much you can do about your height, but you can easily change your physique and athleticism.

as for the core matter of the thread, europeans have better fumdamentals, yes. its a question of culture, too. in USA the individualism is hailed to madness and that sinks in the players too. its the media , fans and everybody else discussing who is better than who, whos has the better career, who has the better legacy..etc... all that has an impact in the players and the sport culture, too.

In europe those arguments dont exist. its all about teams. and that idea is reflected in coaches and teams just the same. the player who becomes a ball hog is sitted on the bench and the media will hang him to dry.

Also, its the fact that when you are an athletic freak you may become lazy and not willing to learn fundamentals. Example: dwight. hes a huge monster and all his play is based on his athleticism. he is successful by being like that so theres no need for further effort. As europeans are not half as strong as black americans are they have to base their game in other aspects in order to survive. its that simple

The inferior fundamentally Team USA also shot better from the field, and from 3, and had more assists. Hell, Lithuania couldn't even get the ball upcourt against token full court pressure. Isn't dribbling a fundamental? How about breaking a press, which just breaks down to spacing and passing?

It's all subjective. You could say they pass a lot to score every time so that means they're better fundamentals, someone else could say they do that because they lack the ball handling, speed, and individual create their own offense.

They've sent send over all countless 6'10+ dudes who can shoot long jumpshots all the way out to the 3 even, but can't figure out how to score on somebody 6 inches shorter than them in the post, nor make a play defensively in the paint area so is that really better fundamentally?

And then at the same time, they're losing at "their own" game anyways, so somehow the USA has the best balance of whatever it takes to win basketball games.

FIBA ball is just better team basketball. Obviously NBA players are superior to the foreign ones. But the FIBA guys have talent and mix it together perfectly with their fundamentals, attitudes, and they just know what their specific role is and never try to step outside the lines. It's hard-nosed, physical, and more entertaining. I mean how could you not love watching all their savvy passes, guts, and teamwork that the NBA hasn't seen in a few years?

Personally I couldn't care less about what medal it is, as long as I see some good games, and the USA team plays their hardest.

[QUOTE=50inchvertical]The inferior fundamentally Team USA also shot better from the field, and from 3, and had more assists. Hell, Lithuania couldn't even get the ball upcourt against token full court pressure. Isn't dribbling a fundamental? How about breaking a press, which just breaks down to spacing and passing?

It's all subjective. You could say they pass a lot to score every time so that means they're better fundamentals, someone else could say they do that because they lack the ball handling, speed, and individual create their own offense.

They've sent send over all countless 6'10+ dudes who can shoot long jumpshots all the way out to the 3 even, but can't figure out how to score on somebody 6 inches shorter than them in the post, nor make a play defensively in the paint area so is that really better fundamentally?

And then at the same time, they're losing at "their own" game anyways, so somehow the USA has the best balance of whatever it takes to win basketball games.[/QUOTE]


Its quite a simple answer.Lithuania back-up PG is super bad thats is why we made so much mistakes during full court press and thats why he got kicked out of the team.The second thing you probobly didnt noticed that when LTU was wining they sudenlly changed almost whole players on the court - thats will not happen during real matches in WC.

BTW congratz on 1000 comment.

[QUOTE=50inchvertical]Then why do white football players have no problems getting big? Or MMA fighters? or WWE wrestlers? professional bodybuilders? Seems like the whole "genetics" argument is easy to overcome if you wanted to with obvious exception of height which was stupid of you to even include for that reason.

How could you be comparing height though to body composition and athleticism? There's generally not much you can do about your height, but you can easily change your physique and athleticism.[/QUOTE]

It's not only about getting big, it's about getting big while remaining mobile, explosive, fast and athletic.

Look it's not rocket science to figure out. The evidence is right in front of you.

Why are most of the players in the NBA black?
Why are the most explosive players in the NBA predominantly black?
Why are most of the NFL wide receivers and running backs black?
Why are the good combi quarterbacks who can both pass and run black, while the regular quarterbacks who are best only throwing the ball white?
Why are the fastest guys in baseball mostly black?
Why is there only 1 white guy in the world right now who can run 100meters in less than 10 seconds, while there's a handful of black guys who can do it?

In the last few years there has been one guy who's very athletic that have gone from Europe to the NBA, Serge Ibaka, where does he originally come from? Africa...

Last year my team faced a select team form the southern region of England, they where all pretty athletic, strong and fast. But who was the biggest and most athletic of them all, their 1 black guy...

If both races where equal in athletic ability you'd basically have a majority of white US players because there's a majority of white people in the US, so the talent pool of white players good enough for the NBA would be way bigger.

But that's not the way it is, no the way it is is that the best white players in the NBA comes from Europe, and that's because we have a better system to develop players in so the white guys can become skilled enough to compete with the more athletic dominant black players.

[QUOTE=PurpleChuck]I feel the same way too. Although I seen on some occasion the Lithuanian [B]tries too hard to force a pass and lead to a turnover.[/B]

Anyway, the NBA has evolved into a league which puts more emphasis and spotlight on individual capabilities and performance. That's why our players aren't trained or rather, can't be trained to play like other international teams.

Team > Player[/QUOTE]

It's called Eitutavicius or Lukauskis, both got kicked out of team after game vs USA, they've been tested much in the game and failed.

Nobody said both races were equal, hell no 2 people are genetically equal; it's just not this outright thing that if you're black you're athletic automatically and if you aren't, then you aren't and nothing can be done about it.

If you can't jump high but want to, get in the weight room as well as on some plyos and you will jump high.

And yes black people do overwhelmingly pick up basketball and football more than other sports, especially the other ones you listed. Basketball is pretty much the sport of choice. Like you mention cycling and how I guess you think white people are genetically predisposed to being better at it, how many schools have a cycling program compared to schools with a basketball team?

Ask Chase Buddinger. He was born with the, what you consider to be a handicap in sports, of being white yet he wanted to be a great volleyball/basketball player and turned himself into just that. Ditto Joe Alexander.

Google Alex Maroko. He makes his millions training people who never think they can be athletic, to be athletic. Kelly Baggett is another guy to look at. Both are white as well.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_csSUFF_4U[/url]

I got a video of Alex hitting his head on the rim somewhere, I think it's in my email. I'll find it. He's 5'10 btw

Getting over the mental handicap is the first hurdle.

If you can't do something, you just aren't and haven't been working hard enough at it.

edit: and find videos of Javtokas before the car accident. He was every bit as athletic as Ibaka.