Exposing the Fallacies of Science/Atheist-ism & Proving Intelligent Design!

[QUOTE=Bladers]I’m talking about detailed complex existence. Detailed cars, spaceship, computers, etc. can be designed by human intelligence, cell cant. The complex and detailed life form’s existence (cell) requires intelligence far greater than human intelligence, as scientist in their failure have proven so. Again, as biochemists will say, to clone an existing cell is possible, to demonstrate the existence of a "cell" is impossible.[/QUOTE]

You missed the boat. Sythetic self-replicating genomes were already created using a computer program and implanted into cells, giving them "life". So no, it's not impossible, it just hasn't been perfected yet.

Stick to street preaching and repeating your crackpot friend's never-gonna-happen predictions.

if you are reading this you are god

[QUOTE=Bladers]I don

Of which God are you speaking? If it is the Old Test. God, were all going to burn in Hell. Unless of course you have built temples and slain purified offerings such as goats. If churchleaders from just 200 yrs ago could see how our society lives today, they would deem us all heathens and condemn us to hell fire.

Ever find it odd that God (as perfect as he is) has adapted his requirements for worship throughout history to accomidate the masses? Christians break one (at min.) of the ten commandments every week. "Remember the Sabbath, and keep it Holy." The Sabbath begings Friday night and ends Saturday night. When do most people go out drinking and poon chasin' the most? Friday and Saturday. Real holy huh. Then they worship on the wrong day, Sunday. This would have been an unforgivable sin back in the day.

While we are talking about sins, anyone else feel Jesus has been raised to God status. Christians seem to have placed Jesus ahead of God, ignoring another commandment, sinners!!!

But none of that matters I guess when that old loop hole of holding what is true on Earth shall be held true in the Kingdom of Heaven. Must be nice to be able to hold that one over St. Peter at the Gate. "Hey Pete, none of us did what we were actually told, but the Big Guy basically let us make it up as we went. So if you could just happen to open up that Gate right there, we'll be on our way. And to think Pete, you went and got yo' self crucified upside down to get up here."

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You said this [I]"God is living, and we reflect that because we are living and God has free will, and we have free will and we have the ability to choose"[/I].

And I know the story of the fall of man, but since you brought up some new theories on the nature of man and the meaning of him being created in God's image, I'm starting to look at it from another viewpoint. What was at the core of man's fall?

You guessed it- man's free will. God forbade Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, right? But with a little persuasion from a talking snake, Eve made the conscious decision to disobey the lord and eat the fruit and Adam made the conscious decision to follow suit. From there, man was born with original sin and only subservience and complete obedience to the Son of God became the only way for man's soul to be redeemed.

Now, if Ephesians 1:3-5 is the truth, then God already knew long before he created Adam and Eve what they were going to do, step by step. Does this make free will an illusion? I think so, but let's suspend basic logic for a while and say it doesn't...

So God in his infinite wisdom, gifts the first two humans with free will, knowing that they will choose to disobey him and cause their own downfall. Not only that, but everything in existence was created by God, including the talking snake. Is it possible that the fall of man was an inside job perpetrated by Jehovah himself to enslave mankind's soul? :eek: I mean he could've simply not given Adam and Eve free will and they would've lived according to his rules forever as Godly beings. But he did, knowing what decision they were going to make long before they made it. He even sent his agent, his creation to persuade them to eat the fruit.

And now the only way to save yourself from an eternity of fire and brimstone is to accept his son as your lord and savior? Talk about blatant nepotism. So basically he created free will to orchestrate a monopoly on our souls. Machiavelli would be proud :pimp:[/QUOTE]

God didn't wan't to create a bunch of robots.
He doesn't derive pleasure from robot worship...
He doesn't want any zombies.:no:

[QUOTE=lurch67]Of which God are you speaking? If it is the Old Test. God, were all going to burn in Hell. Unless of course you have built temples and slain purified offerings such as goats. [B]If churchleaders from just 200 yrs ago could see how our society lives today, they would deem us all heathens and condemn us to hell fire. [/B]

Ever find it odd that God (as perfect as he is) has adapted his requirements for worship throughout history to accomidate the masses? Christians break one (at min.) of the ten commandments every week. "Remember the Sabbath, and keep it Holy." The Sabbath begings Friday night and ends Saturday night. When do most people go out drinking and poon chasin' the most? Friday and Saturday. Real holy huh. Then they worship on the wrong day, Sunday. This would have been an unforgivable sin back in the day.

While we are talking about sins, anyone else feel Jesus has been raised to God status. Christians seem to have placed Jesus ahead of God, ignoring another commandment, sinners!!!

But none of that matters I guess when that old loop hole of holding what is true on Earth shall be held true in the Kingdom of Heaven. Must be nice to be able to hold that one over St. Peter at the Gate. "Hey Pete, none of us did what we were actually told, but the Big Guy basically let us make it up as we went. So if you could just happen to open up that Gate right there, we'll be on our way. And to think Pete, you went and got yo' self crucified upside down to get up here."[/QUOTE]

HAHA!!! This guy speaks the truth. If religious (Christian) beliefs and acceptances gradually change over time, then what does that say about the validity of the bible? :confusedshrug: It used to be that gays were thought to have an evil disease that needed to be cured, but now many churchgoers actually accept gays. What the hell contradiction is that? Conclusion....the bible is f*cking man made. If you were gay a few centuries ago, your so called Christian believers would shun your asses out of town. Then there are the priest child molesters of the Catholic faith, whose own hypocrisy makes me want to puke.

[QUOTE=Bladers]God didn't wan't to create a bunch of robots.
He doesn't derive pleasure from robot worship...
He doesn't want any zombies.:no:[/QUOTE]

You know what god wants and where he derives pleasure from? Cool..

What else do you know? We are all ears!

[QUOTE=miller-time]the fact is not one of the theories you listed are attempts to explain where life came from. a theory or model is used to explain a specific set of data, none of those theories include data relevant to the origin of cells, organelles, nucleotides or amino acids.

i seriously don't buy the idea that anything you say is what you actually believe because no one can possibly be that stupid.[/QUOTE]

So then If none of what I provided gives prove to an Intelligent Creator.

Then here is what you are providing: There was void, nothing, then we came from nowhere like mathematics "-we r,-1234567890=1234567890."

So if your a teen & mom caught you holding 3 bottles of beer, just tell her

Science and religion can coexist. Theres more archeological evidence for the Resurrection than there is for Napoleons battle at Waterloo.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Science and religion can coexist. Theres more archeological evidence for the Resurrection than there is for Napoleons battle at Waterloo.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of the resurrection, have you read all the accounts of this in the bible? Each and every one of these varies wildly. You would think that the story that is to be the basis of a religion would have at least been consistant....

[QUOTE=lurch67]Speaking of the resurrection, have you read all the accounts of this in the bible? Each and every one of these varies wildly. You would think that the story that is to be the basis of a religion would have at least been consistant....[/QUOTE]

Yes there are variations and interpretations, but it happened nonetheless.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Science and religion can coexist. Theres more archeological evidence for the Resurrection than there is for Napoleons battle at Waterloo.[/QUOTE]


Care to show us any of that evidence?

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan]Yes there are variations and interpretations, but it happened nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Wrong, it is alleged that it happened.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Care to show us any of that evidence?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm[/url]

Also people are resurrected and healed in the Name of Jesus Christ today, so there is supernatural evidence for the Resurrection as well.

[QUOTE=TennesseeFan][url]http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm[/url]

Also people are resurrected and healed in the Name of Jesus Christ today, so there is supernatural evidence for the Resurrection as well.[/QUOTE]
Thats just so week on so many levels, for starters the bible is proof of nothing.